Fast white bugs mites????

These tiny little bugs move real fast and have six legs. No webbing and they hang around only in the soil and are never on the leaves. I'm wondering if they are harmful to my plants and if so what is the remedy to kill them because Neema oil doesn't do a thing. I've attached an HD video of what I am talking about.
[video=youtube;MoJJmKGn880]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=MoJJmKGn880[/video]

R.E.L. said:

These tiny little bugs move real fast and have six legs. No webbing and they hang around only in the soil and are never on the leaves. I'm wondering if they are harmful to my plants and if so what is the remedy to kill them because Neema oil doesn't do a thing. I've attached an HD video of what I am talking about.
[video=youtube;MoJJmKGn880]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=MoJJmKGn880[/video]

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Holy crap man call somebody, you have a full invasion I thought maybe knats? I hope u get this nailed down. I am sorry but thank u 4 sharing Vid very helpful +rep . I wish a speedy resolve

See anything flying around?

Nope. I have ladybugs too and they don't mess with them.

Nice insect farm!

my worst nightmare!!! maybe u lucky and they predator mites they keel other bugz but man u need make LITRES OF GARLIC TABASCO SPRAY! goodluck and how iz da plants doing ?

i thougt i was gonna see like 1 er 2 bugs not the entire cast of " a bugs life" lol

they might be gnats

If you say that neem isnt doing anything, you could try pyrethrin. Its an extract from the chrysanthemum plant and when ive used it its worked well. What stage are your plants in. The pyrethrin is not harmful, however, im paranoid about spraying anything near my buds when theyre flowering. Just my 2 cents! Good luck with getting rid of the pests!

Is this what they look like close up????????



Because if they do, you might just have Hypoaspis Miles on your hands, and they're a beneficial predatory mite that likes to chow down on fungus gnat larvae...If not, I dunno man, you got a lot of bugs there....But I have had hypoaspis miles in my soil grows in the past, they don't hurt, just patrol the area looking for any small bugs to munch on.

Yes they look like that! But damn that shit just looks gross seeing that many. I still want to get rid of them. But if they're beneficial to the plant, I guess I can keep them?

R.E.L. said:

Yes they look like that! But damn that shit just looks gross seeing that many. I still want to get rid of them. But if they're beneficial to the plant, I guess I can keep them?

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you have a shit load of those things. I really dont know what you could do maybe try some predatory mites. They eat other mites and then eat eachother when there are none left.. Holy shit dude those things are everywhere.

wow thats crazy cause when i woke up this morning to check mary and turn the lights on i noticed the same looking problem, so many tiny little white things that weren't flying, but some were jumping all in the soil of the pot. it was pretty early morning so i crashed back out and came back a few hours later and they were all gone and a jumping spider was at that spot.

Did the spider get rid of them or did they all bury under the soil when the lights went on ?

**edit** this was the first time ive seen them as well and mary shows no signs of damage

Old thread I know but what camera was used to take the video? Looks like a 7d, lol. did they ever cause harm?

We have the same thing but no where near as many. It doesn't seem like they are hurting the plant at all and the only other bugs around are springtails which from my understanding won't hurt the plants either. Been spraying them with insecticidal soap to be on safe side dont want anything to kill them...

i have a very similar looking problem but unlike the op my plants ARE being damaged. i've been using the same bag of soil for my base soil for a few months so i assume that's where they came from.

i just discovered them yesterday when i up-potted a plant into my mix. they were surfacing at the top. then today i went to dispose of the soil from a plant i harvested about a month ago, and they were covering the bottom of the root ball. looked just like the vid and creeped me the fuck out.

my last few plants have basically been going limp before there is any significant bud weight. branches falling over and hanging over the side of the pot, but besides that they look healthy...for a while. eventually they start acting like they are hungry for N but there is plenty of N in my mix, and i have even given some fish fert (5-1-1) and it did no good. i do see the occasional flying gnat-looking thing but nothing like i would expect based on the amount of these tiny bugs.

i gave the freshly planted plant a weakish dose of gognats to see how it responds. i have 2 other plants that are about 4 weeks into flower but i don't want to hit 'em with the gognats until i'm sure i have the dosage correct (never used the stuff before and it doesn't have specific instructions for a soil drench). the older plants are right at the age where the others started taking a shit.

i thought gnat larvae looked like maggoty things...could this be something else? these things are fast and they definitely have legs.

Well, the OP had hypoaspis miles, and they ARE a good mite. They eat fungus gnat larvae, and other little creepy crawlies in your soil. If you ever see flying gnats, that would explain their presence because as far as I know the larvae and eggs are one of their primary food source, along with springtails and thrips. Odd that you say they are harming your plant, because I've had them both indoors AND outdoors, and all they do in both is keep my soil free of other pests, and they USUALLY reside in the first inch or two of soil, not near the bottom, though I could see them living atowards the bottom near the holes in the pot, cause that is where fungus gnats often lay their eggs.

Metasynth said:

Well, the OP had hypoaspis miles, and they ARE a good mite. They eat fungus gnat larvae, and other little creepy crawlies in your soil. If you ever see flying gnats, that would explain their presence because as far as I know the larvae and eggs are one of their primary food source, along with springtails and thrips. Odd that you say they are harming your plant, because I've had them both indoors AND outdoors, and all they do in both is keep my soil free of other pests, and they USUALLY reside in the first inch or two of soil, not near the bottom, though I could see them living atowards the bottom near the holes in the pot, cause that is where fungus gnats often lay their eggs.

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are there any root destroying bugs that resemble the ones in the vid? mine were a tad skinnier looking but otherwise looked very much the same. i've literally seen maybe 4 flying bugs in the last 2 months and there were thousands of crawlies. if they were gnats i would expect to be infested with flying bugs based on the amount of crawlies. bastards are tiny and only visible when they move so my pics are worthless.

keep in mind that when i saw them on the bottom, it was a plant that was harvested a month ago and was bone dry, so they apparently don't need a whole lot of moisture. yesterday i saw the same thing at the the soil surface of another plant. whatever they are, they enjoy the whole root ball and cause limp limbs and mystery deficiencies that i know i shouldn't have with the mix i use. the leaves never look eaten, they just up and croak.

from all my reading, the only two specifically root destroying bugs i can come up with are root aphids and symphilids, but my bugs don't quite look like the pictures or descriptions. i hope to god they are gnats and the gognats murders them all or at least controls them to the point where the plants can finish, but the more i read the more pessimistic i get.

Total Head said:

are there any root destroying bugs that resemble the ones in the vid? mine were a tad skinnier looking but otherwise looked very much the same. i've literally seen maybe 4 flying bugs in the last 2 months and there were thousands of crawlies. if they were gnats i would expect to be infested with flying bugs based on the amount of crawlies. bastards are tiny and only visible when they move so my pics are worthless.

keep in mind that when i saw them on the bottom, it was a plant that was harvested a month ago and was bone dry, so they apparently don't need a whole lot of moisture. yesterday i saw the same thing at the the soil surface of another plant. whatever they are, they enjoy the whole root ball and cause limp limbs and mystery deficiencies that i know i shouldn't have with the mix i use. the leaves never look eaten, they just up and croak.

from all my reading, the only two specifically root destroying bugs i can come up with are root aphids and symphilids, but my bugs don't quite look like the pictures or descriptions. i hope to god they are gnats and the gognats murders them all or at least controls them to the point where the plants can finish, but the more i read the more pessimistic i get.

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Not these?

Metasynth said:

Not these?

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actually, they look strikingly similar except for the color. they are barely bigger than a dot and appear whitish/gray in contrast with the soil. i wish they would hold still so i could see them under the scope and get a feel for their true color. what is that thing? am i doomed?

also i just checked the soil on the plant that got the gognats, and i see no bugs, but i do on the older plants.

i would be absolutely shocked to hear that what i have are "good bugs". they are the only thing that's "new" besides the shitty plants (which i still smoke. no bugs in the buds. just way airy and leafy with lots of dead leaf bits). i've been mixing my own mix for a year and growing awesome plants and this bag of dirt is the only thing that's new besides the bugs. if those are good bugs then i have some kind of disease, but i googled the shit out of cannabis diseases before i found the bugs and nothing fit. i actually got a little excited when i found the bugs because i figure at least now i can try to fix it.

Total Head said:

actually, they look strikingly similar except for the color. they are barely bigger than a dot and appear whitish/gray in contrast with the soil. i wish they would hold still so i could see them under the scope and get a feel for their true color. what is that thing? am i doomed?

also i just checked the soil on the plant that got the gognats, and i see no bugs, but i do on the older plants.

i would be absolutely shocked to hear that what i have are "good bugs". they are the only thing that's "new" besides the shitty plants (which i still smoke. no bugs in the buds. just way airy and leafy with lots of dead leaf bits). i've been mixing my own mix for a year and growing awesome plants and this bag of dirt is the only thing that's new besides the bugs. if those are good bugs then i have some kind of disease, but i googled the shit out of cannabis diseases before i found the bugs and nothing fit. i actually got a little excited when i found the bugs because i figure at least now i can try to fix it.

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If they look like those, but just differ in color a bit, then you probably have root aphiods, since that is a picture of one. And root aphids will defianately chow down on the roots, making the plants sick and droopy since they cannot produce any new root growth at a rate faster than it is consumed. At least that is my opinion on the matter. Root aphids are also all over the roots, and you COULD have both root aphids in the rootball AND hypoaspis miles in the surface layer of soil.