Experimental Hermies

Discussion in 'Breeders Paradise' started by Brewberry, Jan 16, 2018.


    Brewberry New Member

    Has anyone actually done anything with hermies to grow the gene out of a strain? Just asking because i grew 4 bag seed grapefruit out during the summer that 3 of them hermed at 3 feet during transition real bad and one didnt show signs till around 4th week flower. All grown in soil with mild nutes in semi shaded area outside. I was pulling nanners off the last one like mad for a week atleast and noticed that there was only one branch that wasent throwing nanners. So i gave up on it and cloned the nannerless branch for shiz n giggles. Once it took root it grew like crazy. Now under my 600s inside it branched like a mofo so i chopped her down to 6 main branches and sent her in to flower. About 3 weeks i had 3 branches of hermie and 3 that looked good to go so i chopped the hermies out and continued to flower it and scrogged her down with a few other strains i had goin. This seemed to work cause im 2 weeks to harvest and shes all girl with zero issues. Any ideas?

    blake9999 Well-Known Member

    You not going to clone out the hermie trait. It's genetic to the plant you growing. You better off forking out a few duckies and getting some better genetics for your future grows.
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    jemstone Well-Known Member

    I don't really understand what happened. When the original 4 seeds started to flower and they were all males? Then you cloned the branch with the least amount of pollen sacks at 5 weeks into flower and it rooted. Then miraculously it grew like some bean stalk but part of it was male and the other female so you just cut the male branches and everything is honky-dory?

    Sounds like step by step on how to make bad genetics.
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    Brewberry New Member

    3 where full blown hermie pollin sacks and pistels as it started to flower. The one was female that turned hermie half way threw flower. But not all the branches. One branch was all girl. It had 16 branches in total. All where poppin nanners everywhere except one branch was nice bud. I cut that branch and rooted it. It took 30 days to reveg. Was one big bud.

    Brewberry New Member

    It monster cropped out and i cut it down to 6 main branches. This thing was growing in all directions real fast. So outta the 6 branches i left on it 3 turned hermie balls and pistels the other 3 just hairs. I chopped the three ball branches and left the others to go. Its in week 6 of flower now with no issues. Wtf is all im sayin here. Has anyone else here come across a plant that showed both sexes in the same plant on opposite branches.

    Brewberry New Member

    I found the answer to my question posting for others to learn.
    Very Interesting to know my Hermie Grapefruit might turn out more potent than regular Grapefruit.

    Natural Hermaphrodites

    Some hermaphrodites seem to be genetically determined (protogenous). That is, they naturally form flowers of both sexes given normal growing conditions. Possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. Monoecious varieties have been developed by hemp breeders in order to ensure uniform harvests.

    It is also possible that these particular are polyploid, which means they have more than the usual two sets of chromosomes. This kind of hermaphrodite may have XXY (triploid), or XXYY or XXXY (tetraploid) sex chromosomes. However, no naturally occurring polyploids have ever been verified (by observation of the chromosomes) in any population of Cannabis. Polyploids have been induced in Cannabis by using mutagens, such as the alkaloid colchicine.

    Whatever then genetic explanation may be, one or more of these natural hermaphrodites may randomly appear in any garden. They are sometimes faster-maturing, have larger leaves, and are larger in overall size than their unisexual siblings. They usually form flowers of both sexes uniformly in time and distribution, and in some unusual patterns. For example, from Mexican seed, we have seen a plant on which separate flowering cluster consisted of both female and male flowers: and upper section of female flowers had upraised stigmas, and a lower section of male flowers dangled beneath the female flowers. In other plants from Mexican seed, the growing tips throughout the plant have female flowers; male flowers sprout from the leaf axils along the main stem and branches. +++++Plants from "Thai" seed sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches+++++++. Branches with female flowers tend to predominate, but branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant.

    Abnormal Flower Abnormal sexual expression includes a whole range of possibilities. Individual flowers may form abnormally, and may contain varying degrees of both male and female flower parts. For instance, a male flower may bear a stigma; or an anther may protrude from the bracts of a female flower. Abnormally formed flowers are not often seen on healthy plants, although if one looks hard enough, a few may be found in most crops. When many of the flowers are abnormal, an improper photoperiod (coupled with poor health) is the most likely cause. Abnormal flowers sometimes form on marijuana grown out of season, such as with winter or spring crops grown under natural light.

    Intersexes and Reversals Much more common than abnormally formed flowers is for the plant's sex to be confused. One may find an isolated male flower or two; or there may be many clusters of male flowers on an otherwise female plant, or vice versa. These plants are called intersexes (also hermaphrodites or monoecious plants). Intersexes due to environment causes differ from natural hermaphrodite in having random distributions and proportions of male and female flowers. In more extreme cases, a plant may completely reverse sex. For example, a female may flowers normally for several weeks, then put forth new, sparse growth, typical of the male, on which male flowers develop. The complete reversal from male flowering to female flowering also happens.

    All other things being equal, the potency of intersexes and reversed plants is usually less than that of normal plants. If there are reversals or intersexes, both of the sexes will usually be affected. Female plants that reverse to male flowering show the biggest decline. Not only is the grass less potent, but the amount of marijuana harvested from male flowers is negligible compared to the amount of marijuana that can be harvested from a normal female. ++++++++++Plants that change from male to female flowering usually increase their potency, because of the growth of female flower bracts with their higher concentration of resin.+++++++++++ Female flowers on male plants seldom form as thickly or vigorously as on a normal female. Between the loss in potency and the loss in yield because of females changing to males, a crop from such plants is usually inferior, in both yield and potency, to one from normal plants.

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