Experienced Growers: Is This Formula Good for Organic Growing?

My four INDOOR White Widows are almost three-weeks old and basically i'm following the instructions from some person on another site and I want to ask you guys if you think this would be good/ideal for the plants final growing site?
In other words should I should I buy the listed ingredients and follow these instructions?


First Post:
"Ok, to start, WW is not a beginner's plant. So be very cautious of everthing you do. PH 6.4 - 6.8, Fert (I'd go organic for best flavor) Fish emulsion for foliar feeding and bloodmeal for N when soil watering. Bloom- try a 5-50-3 if you can find a good one. Don't forget to leach the soil of salts, good part is that when you leach the worm castings will fert for you, the N at least(see Below).

2nd, don't go with just soil. Mix 50/50 soil/Worm castings (Organic source of N) then dither that off with vermiculite and perlite (To cause air pockets in soil and prevent packing) then add 1" gravel to the bottom of your pots for drainage.

3rd, what lights do you have? floros are only good for a short period with this strain, you want a cheap way for lighting? then get a MH lamp with the ability to add a HPS conversion bulb for flowering.

last, this can be harveted in 50 days of flowering but to get the best (And intended) results, you must flower 70 to 75 days. the last 72 hours being in COMPLETE dark."

Second Post:

"Ok heres the trick. Check your soil PH, let's say its 7.4 for arguments sake. Fill a gallon milk jug with water and your "Mix" of essentials then check the waters PH. Let's say the waters PH is 7.4.

Now you have soil and water both at 7.4, you don't want that. You want 6.4 to 6.8. Well we all know fertilizing lowers PH, so you must take into account everytime you fert you will lower PH.

To lower PH you use common house hold vinigar in your water. I start with adding a 1/4 Tsp. shake and let it sit for an hour. Get an aquarium water test kit. Test the water PH.

In this example I would adjust the water till its 6.9-7.0, as the fert will slowly lower it to a good level.

Now if it were reversed and the PH numbers were 5.8, you would you Hydrated Lime in the water mix, I start again by adding a 1/4 Tsp. at a time. I would adjust it to about 7.4 because of the large jump to get to quickly.

Now this is just my experience dealing with a soil mix like that, watch the Fish Emulsion. Organic fert hardly ever leaves over-fert burn so you can over do it and not know till it's too late."

Credit goes to DigitalT.
Thanks for any information!

To be honestly the person s instruction about how to grow organic is suck , JHMO. I never bother to pH my organic soil because i add the espoma s garden lime to the pre mix that will buffer pH. Hydrated Lime is big NO-NO.

2nd i dont flush any ogranic soils !!! ive only watering with just water not with any syntheic...but i do use alaska fish poop 5-1-1, i still dont have to flush with this fertilizer too.

3rd, it will help you to research like tomatoes community thats where i learn the best organic from there...also many growers in the organic section will gladly to help you about this organic matter too.

Happy growing and peace

I've never thought White Window strains to be difficult to grow. My first strain was a white widow clone that I picked up in Hollywood. It grow out to be about 4' to 5' and appears to be pure or nearly pure Indica. The plants had no trouble taking on the summer heat and outdoor environment of Southern California.

When I think of organics I think of growing in dirt and not in a soilless potting mix or hydroponically. By growing in the ground you have access to native beneficial insects; worms in the soil; microorganisms like Ericoid mycorrhyzae, endo-, and ectomycorrhizae; and even beneficial plants (if you don't have plants you can easily add them inexpensively). Good companion plants include carrots, legumes, and marigolds. A smart gardener can use all these elements and push the balance in his or her favor.

By avoiding synthetic nutrients (even organically derived hydroponic nutrients) you have less of a chance killing off the beneficial microorganisms, and you don't have the environmental concerns of concentrated nitrate leaching into the ground water. Also organic gardening involves a large part of tending to the overall ecosystem that your plants live in, finding creative ways to recycle and looking for ways to reduce waste. Basically a more environmentally friendly way of gardening.

I see people go out and cut down trees, dig five foot deep holes, and feed organically derived hydroponic nutrients and they think their growing organically. What they are in fact doing is growing destructively without a care in the world to the ecosystem around them. They just happened to use a few organic products but have completely missed out on the whole point of being organic.

Having said this, organic isn't the whole grail or only way to grow. In a closed system, such as containers or hydroponic systems, the plants don't have to fight for survival like those planted in the ground. And since you don't have leeching issues to worry about, hydroponic nutrients that are low in salts can be very beneficial for the home gardener to use. However, since you don't have the decomposers that living soil gives you, you'll have to manually acidify your water & nutrient mix so they break down easier. Flushing is good for coir or mediums that hold on to a particular nutrient, but flushing in this sense really just means skipping a feeding and watering it really good. Only nutrients really high in salts, like Miracle Grow, need to be truly need to be flushed. However, even when this is the case, the manufactories usually tell you this. MG for example recommends to flush their products after 3-4 applications.

What I would do is think hard about what is the more affordable and practical method of gardening for you. If you have limited space, that might very well force you to use containers or a small hydroponic setup. If your outdoors you could use containers or grow in the ground. Once you decide on a style of growing, then look for fertilizers that match your growing style.

If your very busy or forgetful and have the land to grow outside, well then you might want a slow release all-purpose organic fertilizer that you only need to apply 2-3 times per season. In a hydroponic setup you want something that isn't going to clog your lines, so stick with the premium brands that have a reputation for being clean and easy to use. In a container with a soilless potting mix that's coir or peat based, you can go with cheaper hydroponic nutrient. The extra absorbent properties of the medium will help hold on to the salts. You simply have to remember to flush these salts every other month or so, just so the medium doesn't hold onto excessive amounts.

Put sheep shit in the water! They love it!!

Izoc666 said:

To be honestly the person s instruction about how to grow organic is suck , JHMO. I never bother to pH my organic soil because i add the espoma s garden lime to the pre mix that will buffer pH. Hydrated Lime is big NO-NO.

2nd i dont flush any ogranic soils !!! ive only watering with just water not with any syntheic...but i do use alaska fish poop 5-1-1, i still dont have to flush with this fertilizer too.

3rd, it will help you to research like tomatoes community thats where i learn the best organic from there...also many growers in the organic section will gladly to help you about this organic matter too.

Happy growing and peace

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That guy doesn't have a CLUE about growing. Not Izoc, the guy you quoted.

50% worm castings!?!?? You will have a very rich MUD. 20-25% max in a mix.

5-50-3??? Ya chure.

Hydrated lime????

I'd bet the guy is about 13 and probably killed the radish that you grow in kindergarten or 1st grade and hasn't grown a thing since.

Wet

Izoc and wetdog (wassup Dog, long time no see) are 100% correct. pH is a non issue in a proper organic grow, and dudes soil mix is whacked. I like a BIT more castings than most, but not more than 30%. No way I'd foliar feed fish emulsion. Water that in as N. Most Fish emulsions are 5-1-1. you'll need to supplement the P and K, do that by adding either wood ash or bone meal, and Kelp extract. THAT you can foliar feed. There are SO very many recipes for organics, get with someone who knows thier shit and go with what they tell you. There are PLENTY of really good organicgardeners here (Counting Vindicated, three of them have already chimed in), and 99% of them will gladly help you out.

Thanks guys for the information, if there is any more suggestions please post.
Thanks again!