experienced grower stumped

REALSTYLES

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Bottom leaves are turning yellow because of lack of light at the bottom of the plants. Are any other leaves turning yellow? And how long are you in flower? From the pics the top leaves look okay. It's normal for the bottom leaves to turn yellow if they don't get enough light. I myself usually remove all the bottom leaves that wont get light in flower
 

hughesresearch

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i believe this thread has only become a number.
i dont understand. what do you mean?

anyway, i think i might be having a prob with the nutes. adding isnt helping and seems to make it worse. i wouldnt think the leaves are yellowing from light as i trimmed everything that was more than foot from the top. i tried to create a canopy with a ton of heads from one plant. ive never had a plant show a def when adding more nutes. the only thing i can think of now is flush out the res and try going back to 1/2 strength nutes to see if it helps. i dont really keep track of flowering times, just read the plant, i think there about 3-4 weeks in.
 

rosecitypapa

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I'd agree with Wolverine97 assessment. Your ratio's are off with this plant, it's not the amount of nutrients, it's the ratio between all of them that is causing your def symptoms. If it was me, I'd be looking at the ppm's of the calcium and magnesium in my water and whether that in combo with my nutrients is causing a lockout.

Wolverine97, do you have more info of the percentage of nitrate to nitrites, both in veg and bloom?
 

hughesresearch

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i can eliminate the other nitrogen supplies by stop adding the supplements. ive heard from others that this strain is one hell of a pain in the ass. im done with this strain in 10 weeks and will be growing headband and hindu kush with some bubblegum. im about to go and buy n-p-k each seperately and fuckin do this as precise as i can. it is today starting mag def in the center of the leaves, but mostly the edges are burning like with p def, and i know thats impossible unless lockout has occured. reboot switch activated.
 

Wolverine97

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i dont understand. what do you mean?

anyway, i think i might be having a prob with the nutes. adding isnt helping and seems to make it worse. i wouldnt think the leaves are yellowing from light as i trimmed everything that was more than foot from the top. i tried to create a canopy with a ton of heads from one plant. ive never had a plant show a def when adding more nutes. the only thing i can think of now is flush out the res and try going back to 1/2 strength nutes to see if it helps. i dont really keep track of flowering times, just read the plant, i think there about 3-4 weeks in.
You're not listening to me, now are you?

I've given you a pretty detailed breakdown of your problem. Go fix it.
 

Wolverine97

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I'd agree with Wolverine97 assessment. Your ratio's are off with this plant, it's not the amount of nutrients, it's the ratio between all of them that is causing your def symptoms. If it was me, I'd be looking at the ppm's of the calcium and magnesium in my water and whether that in combo with my nutrients is causing a lockout.

Wolverine97, do you have more info of the percentage of nitrate to nitrites, both in veg and bloom?
Yeah, but I'll have to dig a bit. If I don't respond here, bump this thread or something, maybe pm me. I'll be busy a lot of tomorrow, but I'll dig something up.
 

hughesresearch

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You're not listening to me, now are you?

I've given you a pretty detailed breakdown of your problem. Go fix it.
i am listening to you. when i said i dont understand, i was refering to captain cronizzle saying that this thread was only a number. yes im going to change the nitrogen levels, but i think after i redo the nutes, obviously it would not need as much if it absorbs it correctly. the additive that i have has the shitty nitrogen. i stop using it and my nutes will only have the 2.whatever percent nitrate. i still want to get seperate nutes, yes nitrate nitrogen-alone, in a bottle, along with p-k each in there own bottles then get my micronutes elsewhere. i know seems like a bunch of shit for nothin, but i want to experiment. i think you took what i posted wrong, when you reply with "
I've given you a pretty detailed breakdown of your problem. Go fix it.
" you are being passive aggressive. no need man.
 

Wolverine97

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i am listening to you. when i said i dont understand, i was refering to captain cronizzle saying that this thread was only a number. yes im going to change the nitrogen levels, but i think after i redo the nutes, obviously it would not need as much if it absorbs it correctly. the additive that i have has the shitty nitrogen. i stop using it and my nutes will only have the 2.whatever percent nitrate. i still want to get seperate nutes, yes nitrate nitrogen-alone, in a bottle, along with p-k each in there own bottles then get my micronutes elsewhere. i know seems like a bunch of shit for nothin, but i want to experiment. i think you took what i posted wrong, when you reply with "
I've given you a pretty detailed breakdown of your problem. Go fix it.
" you are being passive aggressive. no need man.
Didn't mean to be snippy. I just felt like you were ignoring what I was telling you. Make sure you look at the ratio of nitrate to urea nitrogen, urea should be no more than 15-20% of the total nitrogen content.
 

hughesresearch

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would it be ideal to have only nitrate or does urea have some benefit? the dyna-gro ive been using only shows nitrate.
 

hughesresearch

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i think i may have found my real problem. its not even nutes. theres these little tiny larve looking things moving around on the top of the water. from a foot away they look white, in the scope they are clear with some spots and two tiny feelers in the front like an ant. i dipped my finger in the res ad looked at them on my finger with the scope. one was running around like it was searching for food and two were trying to feed off me. idk wtf they are, but the h202 didnt kill em. i believe they may be caused by too little air in the res and i need to flush out the res more often. if problem persist, ill ask for more help. thanks everyone.
 

Wolverine97

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i think i may have found my real problem. its not even nutes. theres these little tiny larve looking things moving around on the top of the water. from a foot away they look white, in the scope they are clear with some spots and two tiny feelers in the front like an ant. i dipped my finger in the res ad looked at them on my finger with the scope. one was running around like it was searching for food and two were trying to feed off me. idk wtf they are, but the h202 didnt kill em. i believe they may be caused by too little air in the res and i need to flush out the res more often. if problem persist, ill ask for more help. thanks everyone.
No, those aren't causing your issue. They're fungus gnat larvae, and they're certainly not good, but that's not causing your issue. You can kill them with a product called Mosquito Dunks, or you can use Azamax.
 

hughesresearch

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i still declared war on them. completely cleaned out the res and flushed the roots-they didnt seem to come from the roots. i changed the nutes to only the dyna-gro so its all nitrate nitrogen. no supplement added and used nutes at half strength. def gonna pick up azamax, should have it anyway, just never had any issues with bugs in dwc. now that i think about it though, the inner bucket was one i had used prev in a soil grow. i thought i cleaned it pretty good, but maybe not
 
I have some WW from Nirvana going right now and I am very disappointed with them. Of the 5 fem seeds, only 3 successfully germinated. Their root systems leave much to be desired, and they seem to have an overall yellow tinge to them. Maybe you're growing some of the bad batch too? Just a thought.
 

hughesresearch

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I have some WW from Nirvana going right now and I am very disappointed with them. Of the 5 fem seeds, only 3 successfully germinated. Their root systems leave much to be desired, and they seem to have an overall yellow tinge to them. Maybe you're growing some of the bad batch too? Just a thought.
i had 4 of 5 pop. i took the strongest one and made here a mother. the roots...yea kinda seem to have rapid growth then just stop. up top they grow like crazy, love topping and lst. i havent had the overall yellow tinge but when i first grew those 4, i had a huge problem with slime buildup almost overnight and almost killed them. i just want to get the most out of them as they are the last batch im going to do. i had a brainfart and was thinking fuck yea white widow should be awsome! but, its impossible for nirvana to have real white widow, only thing they can have is some hybrid if there lucky. the smoke isnt what im used to either. it drags you down and take a joint to get me high. i do smoke alot anyway but im used to strains like green crack, cranberry kush, super lemon haze and so on. ww seems to be one that should be vaulted in the old school genetics-if you even get the real thing. my grower buddy has a few super lemon haze seeds and i have been holding a hindu kush. that will be my next grow.
 

hughesresearch

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meh. nothing is working. its still the same slow degrading of leaves. changing the nitrogen type didnt work. ph is still around 6, plant doesnt seem to be taking in as much water. my two other clones i screwed around with did this also, but whats so odd to me os that the buds themselves arent degrading or look like there slowing. i think i just got a shitty seed batch and forgo all my hope in nirvana.
 

captain chronizzle

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sorry to digress, but i see this often. people blaming the seeds, or the supplier. i bet that never happens to tomatoes, or cucumbers. most people that grow those are quite experienced. i have never had a single problem with seeds ever in the last decade. i will say, that i did not feed some plants properly. that would be my fault. a proper environment, and feed is critical for good marijuana. if you don't got those, then your plant yellows, due to some def., or lockout.

not trying to offend or crawl up anyones asses, just stating something i read every day on this forum.:idea:
 
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