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Fogdog said:

Experienced politicians are deciding how the DCCC is going to spend its money. It's a non-governmental arm of the Democratic Party and it's charter is to help get Democrats elected.

You are whining about a baby politician who was told by an experienced politician that in his opinion, he isn't the best candidate for the job and the DCCC is focusing on politicians they think can win. This is completely within the written charter of that organization. It's up to the baby politician to prove them wrong and I'd be glad if he did.

Just last year, you and Pad were telling us that by rejecting campaign donations and aid from "the establishment" candidates were going to enhance their chances of winning. It seems you should have spelled it whinging.

So, baby politician, instead of crying like a bitch, how about asking what he can do so that he's better prepared next time?

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Noooooo Steny Hoyer told Tillemann that ‘he (Steny) was not in on the decision and that it came from above’..who’s above Steny?

Unclebaldrick said:

Amazingly, these fools think that the right way to face to Republicans is be turning down large donations. But now they say the reason Progressives (a very different thing from Democrats who support progressive legislature) aren't ending up on the ballot in November is because they aren't getting sizeable financial support and face opponents who are

These people are not good at logic.

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I seriously doubt they are turning down donations. They are just receiving less

ttystikk said:

Much hot air, totally failing to obscure the fact that this is exactly what corruption looks like.

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Fogdog needs to get a sound machine to obscure what’s being said..shame, if only Mitt did what Hillary did.

Padawanbater2 said:

LOL! That must be why they've thrown their support behind establishment candidates (and even Republicans!) over actual progressives. First they said it was because establishment dems could raise more money, then the progressive out raised their establishment counterpart... Yet still establishment dems support the less funded Dem alternative..

Alison Hartson raised more than her counterparts in the CA primary, by far, not a peep in mainstream media. What happened to the Democratic party supporting the person who could raise the most?

Turns out, even if you can raise more than your corporate counterpart, the Democratic establishment still won't back you if you support campaign finance reform or healthcare reform or any actual progressive policies, because those policies go against their agenda.

When they say they're only trying to back the strongest Democrat so they can beat the Republican in the general election, they're lying to you. They only want to beat the Republican if they're backing a corporate Democrat in the district. They won't back progressives because they don't support progressive policies.

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But if they did it our way and worked for us, they wouldn’t be able to do favors for corporations..then what? Living Wage? Healthcare? Education?

Heathens.

schuylaar said:

Noooooo Steny Hoyer told Tillemann that ‘he (Steny) was not in on the decision and that it came from above’..who’s above Steny?

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That's not what he said.

@ttystikk , @Padawanbater2 @schuylaar will continue to falsely claim rigged unless the primary is rigged for them. Then it will be fair.

What the DCCC is doing is exactly what any other legal nongovernmental political group does which is focus on candidates they think are the best. Tillerman isn't entitled to a hand out from them simply because he's running as a Democrat. If he can't convince the DCCC to give him their support he is free to seek support elsewhere.

Whatever happened to the array of PACs that spawned from Sanders run in 2016? Where are they? Where is the army of small donors that came forward for Bernie? If you members of the Cult of Sanders want to win then start doing something about it.

Not too long ago, you claimed that the purity of Cult of Sanders candidates would energize the 50% who don't vote. It was the Establishment that would lose because true liberals hate them. Now, you are crying because the Democratic Party leaders wont give support just for asking.

Bunch of babies.

abandonconflict said:

If you point out facts to them, they make up some weird shit, completely removed from reality and then say that you're defending it. The fact is, the DNC is not an actual government department or agency. They're a private group with their own bylaws and they can decide by their own processes who they will nominate to be a candidate for their party. They do not stop anyone from running for office outside of the party. Bernard should have run as a third party candidate seeing as how he hates the DNC so much anyway. Besides, he's like the most popular dude ever and he's never been a democrat anyway. Instead, he handed Trump the presidency.

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Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, Our Revolution. All PACS that spun out from the Sanders campaign. Why aren't they helping Tillerman?

Padawanbater2 said:

LOL! That must be why they've thrown their support behind establishment candidates (and even Republicans!) over actual progressives. First they said it was because establishment dems could raise more money, then the progressive out raised their establishment counterpart... Yet still establishment dems support the less funded Dem alternative..

Alison Hartson raised more than her counterparts in the CA primary, by far, not a peep in mainstream media. What happened to the Democratic party supporting the person who could raise the most?

Turns out, even if you can raise more than your corporate counterpart, the Democratic establishment still won't back you if you support campaign finance reform or healthcare reform or any actual progressive policies, because those policies go against their agenda.

When they say they're only trying to back the strongest Democrat so they can beat the Republican in the general election, they're lying to you. They only want to beat the Republican if they're backing a corporate Democrat in the district. They won't back progressives because they don't support progressive policies.

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You support a republican. Sam Ronan I think was his name

Fogdog said:

The DCCC is making decisions based upon the opinions of experienced politicians. This is in their charter. Their plan for their organization to focus on who they think are most likely to win is documented in their charter as well.

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Can you post the charter you're citing, here, so we can examine it?

Fogdog said:

If your guy is so good, why do they have to depend upon the DCCC?

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They don't. That's not the point. Try to follow..
The point is that the DCCC is tipping the scale by way of financial support, to the establishment candidate. They're supporting Crow over Tillemann because Crow will do the bidding of the Democratic establishment while Levi won't

Fogdog said:

You are now crying rigged because an independent non governmental arm of the Democratic Party are doing exactly what they said they would do?

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Good to see you admit the election is rigged.

"The Democratic party are doing exactly what they said they would do"

That is, rig the election...

You're obviously referring to when the DNC lawyer publicly claimed they had the right to pick the Democratic nominee in a smoke filled backroom if they wanted. You're justifying it by claiming the Democratic party is "doing exactly what they said they would do" regarding rigging the election in favor of the corporate Democrat. You further went on to argue they had the right to do it (rig the primary) since the DNC is a private organization.

You are are arguing a small group of elites have the right to rig the democratic primary because the people behind the party says so

Fogdog said:

Too bad you think the Democratic Party must support anybody who shows up in the primary. They don't and that's not being dishonest.

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The DCCC only supports corporate Democrats. If you're not a liar like we know you are, you'll surely be able to pull 1 single progressive name the DCCC supports. Can't be that hard. So who is it, give me 1 single name the DCCC supports instead of the corporate Democratic candidate?

Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

Fogdog said:

It's up to the candidate to do what is necessary to win. Within legal constraints. It doesn't matter if a candidate is pure at heart but doesn't do what is necessary to win. A good candidate does what's necessary to win, including listening to the electorate and formulating policy positions that convince them to vote for them. Also including what is necessary to get media attention. Also what is necessary to accumulate funds to run a competitive campaign. They need to do this while maintaining their integrity and honesty. All of these go in to what is called a good candidate.

Do you know what they call people who didn't win? A loser.

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Padawanbater2 said:

Can you post the charter you're citing, here, so we can examine it?

They don't. That's not the point. Try to follow..
The point is that the DCCC is tipping the scale by way of financial support, to the establishment candidate. They're supporting Crow over Tillemann because Crow will do the bidding of the Democratic establishment while Levi won't

Good to see you admit the election is rigged.

"The Democratic party are doing exactly what they said they would do"

That is, rig the election...

You're obviously referring to when the DNC lawyer publicly claimed they had the right to pick the Democratic nominee in a smoke filled backroom if they wanted. You're justifying it by claiming the Democratic party is "doing exactly what they said they would do" regarding rigging the election in favor of the corporate Democrat. You further went on to argue they had the right to do it (rig the primary) since the DNC is a private organization.

You are are arguing a small group of elites have the right to rig the democratic primary because the people behind the party says so

The DCCC only supports corporate Democrats. If you're not a liar like we know you are, you'll surely be able to pull 1 single progressive name the DCCC supports. Can't be that hard. So who is it, give me 1 single name the DCCC supports instead of the corporate Democratic candidate?

Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

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Perhaps the DCCC and the DNC do have the right to rig their elections and choose any candidate they like.

We the citizens also have every right to hold them accountable for their chicanery and not vote for them.

Padawanbater2 said:

Can you post the charter you're citing, here, so we can examine it?

They don't. That's not the point. Try to follow..
The point is that the DCCC is tipping the scale by way of financial support, to the establishment candidate. They're supporting Crow over Tillemann because Crow will do the bidding of the Democratic establishment while Levi won't

Good to see you admit the election is rigged.

"The Democratic party are doing exactly what they said they would do"

That is, rig the election...

You're obviously referring to when the DNC lawyer publicly claimed they had the right to pick the Democratic nominee in a smoke filled backroom if they wanted. You're justifying it by claiming the Democratic party is "doing exactly what they said they would do" regarding rigging the election in favor of the corporate Democrat. You further went on to argue they had the right to do it (rig the primary) since the DNC is a private organization.

You are are arguing a small group of elites have the right to rig the democratic primary because the people behind the party says so

The DCCC only supports corporate Democrats. If you're not a liar like we know you are, you'll surely be able to pull 1 single progressive name the DCCC supports. Can't be that hard. So who is it, give me 1 single name the DCCC supports instead of the corporate Democratic candidate?

Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

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I'm not arguing a small group of elites, you say that, not I. I'm arguing that Sanders and his cult are inept politicians and being told so by experienced leadership in Congress. Also they have found better candidates who can win while your can't in most districts of this country. You don't like the message. I get it.

The DCCC is trying to get as many Democrats as possible elected in November and beyond.
Sanders "Progressives" are behind some really stupid bills that are not helpful in districts less liberal than San Francisco.

For example: Sanders health care plan is a disaster as is that very strange guaranteed jobs thing he introduced a few weeks ago. The healthcare plan by itself would sink any candidate outside of maybe San Francisco because it would force 60 Million people out of drop health care coverage they say they like and into Medicare that they don't know much about. And then there is that guaranteed jobs thing. It's some weird dystopian public works thing that I'd oppose, much less somebody who is suspicious of massive government programs.

You're saying that the DCCC MUST give Tillerson money even if he supports shit like that. They are making the right choice to cut Sanders and Cult of Sanders out from their support. Not because of some plot to gain power but because Sanders and his follower-candidates are politically naive, inept and losers in most districts of this country.

Start your own PACs. If your policies are so good it should be easy.

What the DCCC said to Tillemann

Fogdog said:

That's not what he said.

@ttystikk , @Padawanbater2 @schuylaar will continue to falsely claim rigged unless the primary is rigged for them. Then it will be fair.

What the DCCC is doing is exactly what any other legal nongovernmental political group does which is focus on candidates they think are the best. Tillerman isn't entitled to a hand out from them simply because he's running as a Democrat. If he can't convince the DCCC to give him their support he is free to seek support elsewhere.

Whatever happened to the array of PACs that spawned from Sanders run in 2016? Where are they? Where is the army of small donors that came forward for Bernie? If you members of the Cult of Sanders want to win then start doing something about it.

Not too long ago, you claimed that the purity of Cult of Sanders candidates would energize the 50% who don't vote. It was the Establishment that would lose because true liberals hate them. Now, you are crying because the Democratic Party leaders wont give support just for asking.

Bunch of babies.

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Perhaps the ROBLOX version..it’s a little slower..

Fogdog said:

What the DCCC said to Tillemann

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You shall only receive same or less without change..you don’t get what you don’t fight for.

ttystikk said:

Perhaps the DCCC and the DNC do have the right to rig their elections and choose any candidate they like.

We the citizens also have every right to hold them accountable for their chicanery and not vote for them.

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These orgs get special privileges and have charter they turned into the federal government which they must follow or no longer enjoy their privileges.

There’s still something called Rule of Law.

It’s been my experience at Corporate leadership is always hesitant on EM to confirm conversation; they prefer phone.

Fill in the blank:

Because if it were written down there would be a _____________.

Padawanbater2 said:

Can you post the charter you're citing, here, so we can examine it?

They don't. That's not the point. Try to follow..
The point is that the DCCC is tipping the scale by way of financial support, to the establishment candidate. They're supporting Crow over Tillemann because Crow will do the bidding of the Democratic establishment while Levi won't

Good to see you admit the election is rigged.

"The Democratic party are doing exactly what they said they would do"

That is, rig the election...

You're obviously referring to when the DNC lawyer publicly claimed they had the right to pick the Democratic nominee in a smoke filled backroom if they wanted. You're justifying it by claiming the Democratic party is "doing exactly what they said they would do" regarding rigging the election in favor of the corporate Democrat. You further went on to argue they had the right to do it (rig the primary) since the DNC is a private organization.

You are are arguing a small group of elites have the right to rig the democratic primary because the people behind the party says so

The DCCC only supports corporate Democrats. If you're not a liar like we know you are, you'll surely be able to pull 1 single progressive name the DCCC supports. Can't be that hard. So who is it, give me 1 single name the DCCC supports instead of the corporate Democratic candidate?

Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

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Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

Padawanbater2 said:

Can you post the charter you're citing, here, so we can examine it?

They don't. That's not the point. Try to follow..
The point is that the DCCC is tipping the scale by way of financial support, to the establishment candidate. They're supporting Crow over Tillemann because Crow will do the bidding of the Democratic establishment while Levi won't

Good to see you admit the election is rigged.

"The Democratic party are doing exactly what they said they would do"

That is, rig the election...

You're obviously referring to when the DNC lawyer publicly claimed they had the right to pick the Democratic nominee in a smoke filled backroom if they wanted. You're justifying it by claiming the Democratic party is "doing exactly what they said they would do" regarding rigging the election in favor of the corporate Democrat. You further went on to argue they had the right to do it (rig the primary) since the DNC is a private organization.

You are are arguing a small group of elites have the right to rig the democratic primary because the people behind the party says so

The DCCC only supports corporate Democrats. If you're not a liar like we know you are, you'll surely be able to pull 1 single progressive name the DCCC supports. Can't be that hard. So who is it, give me 1 single name the DCCC supports instead of the corporate Democratic candidate?

Real life bet, $100 if you can name a single person. $100 in your pocket, right now. 1 name.

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why did you accuse the DCCC of electing republicans even thouh you said you love republican sam ronan?

isn;t that kinda like trying to accuse joy reid of homophobia while you literally call people "fa***ots"?

ttystikk said:

Perhaps the DCCC and the DNC do have the right to rig their elections and choose any candidate they like.

We the citizens also have every right to hold them accountable for their chicanery and not vote for them.

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why is it rigged? you can still vote for anyone you want to

schuylaar said:

You shall only receive same or less without change..you don’t get what you don’t fight for.

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If I sign up to be a Democratic candidate for Congress, how much money are the DCCC obligated to give me?

UncleBuck said:

why is it rigged? you can still vote for anyone you want to

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How foolish ..you know he who has most cash wins all in the current political climate.

Citizens only notice who they see on the teevee.

schuylaar said:

How foolish ..you know he who has most cash wins all in the current political climate.

Liberals only notice who they see on the teevee.

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Ftfy