Examples of right wing media propaganda

BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Maga Mike might be all in with Trump, but Trump will lead him to disaster, if the wants to win a house majority in 24, he can't raise a fraction of the cash Kevin did. He is the poster boy for abortion and this handmaiden tale horror should get America's women aroused as much as Trump. His latest stunt is trying to tie funding for Israel to cutting IRS enforcement against corrupt billionaires and millionaires who cheat on their taxes. Joe will get funding for Ukraine, Israel and the budget out of this clown before he's done, and Donald might soon have much bigger problems than worrying about the details of policy. Maga Mike will be trying to ride the tiger Donald into a cell while trying to keep from being consumed by the beast along with the GOP! :lol:
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keep in mind Biden is also trying to put in Border Security ties in with the Ukraine, Isreal money......and the GOP is even looking at that....the southern border nother talking point....they don't wanna do anything with it, they just wanna use it so they can blame the DEMS....
 
BudmanTX

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That's why I'm paying so much attention to Trump's disqualification, if he is disqualified, he might rip the republicans a new one in several ways on the way down. He will be bitter, panicked and freaking out until the cell door slams on his ass and he will demand loyalty from the GOP all the way. If they don't incarcerate him upon conviction in DC and let him run loose during the appeal while disqualified, it would be a nightmare for the republicans with Donald going rouge and looking at serious prison time as a convict.
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cell door slam may come sooner than ya think......
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
I don't know what he means by the word "everyone". It's like you saying all the people of the US are culpable for Trump being the 45th.
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He wasn't precise in his language, but is essentially correct, I remember years ago when climate change public opinion shifted significantly due to a corporate and national(s) influence. It set the movement away from fossil fuels back by decades and it's only now with extreme weather events that it has shifted back. Probably just as well since we didn't have the tech to go green, we still don't IMO, but that is about to change.

Propaganda and influencers like Trump can make a difference, most Republicans were anti-Russian and promilitary before Trump and now a significant portion of them are fucking near traitors.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
He wasn't precise in his language, but is essentially correct, I remember years ago when climate change public opinion shifted significantly due to a corporate and national(s) influence. It set the movement away from fossil fuels back by decades and it's only now with extreme weather events that it has shifted back. Probably just as well since we didn't have the tech to go green, we still don't IMO, but that is about to change.

Propaganda and influencers like Trump can make a difference, most Republicans were anti-Russian and promilitary before Trump and now a significant portion of them are fucking near traitors.
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the whole Russian thing happened a lot sooner that ya think, think mid 90's after the wall fell......then it swelled to the orange bafoon....
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
I don't know what he means by the word "everyone". It's like you saying all the people of the US are culpable for Trump being the 45th.
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All people in the US are not culpable and even in red states close to half the people or more vote democrat (gerrymandering). I dunno how rigged the election of Hamas was in Gaza, but those who didn't vote for or support them are getting the shit bombed out of themselves, due to the actions of their government. All Russians aren't bad either and many don't support Putin, a lot do though and the ongoing war in Ukraine and they are suffering for it in a multitude of ways. Innocence or guilt loses relevance when fascist control your state, Trump would execute his most fervent supporter for the wrong word just as he would execute Biden. Justice is completely arbitrary and at the whim of the tyrant, as are the armed forces of the nation and police forces too. That is Trump's plan if he should take power, as published in the WP recently.

It's not a matter of being tarred with the same brush, but of powerlessness to change the course of events when the people lose control of their state, and the rule of law vanishes.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
All people in the US are not culpable and even in red states close to half the people or more vote democrat (gerrymandering). I dunno how rigged the election of Hamas was in Gaza, but those who didn't vote for or support them are getting the shit bombed out of themselves, due to the actions of their government. All Russians aren't bad either and many don't support Putin, a lot do though and the ongoing war in Ukraine and they are suffering for it in a multitude of ways. Innocence or guilt loses relevance when fascist control your state, Trump would execute his most fervent supporter for the wrong word just as he would execute Biden. Justice is completely arbitrary and at the whim of the tyrant, as are the armed forces of the nation and police forces too. That is Trump's plan if he should take power, as published in the WP recently.

It's not a matter of being tarred with the same brush, but of powerlessness to change the course of events when the people lose control of their state, and the rule of law vanishes.
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I'm glad to hear you've come to your senses on this.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
the whole Russian thing happened a lot sooner that ya think, think mid 90's after the wall fell......then it swelled to the orange bafoon....
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I remember Romney was ridiculed for warning about the evil empire, mostly by democrats, Russia was not perceived as a threat. The focus was on Islamic terrorism as America prepared for the last war, not the one happening now. America would not fight this way and would have destroyed them with airpower and missiles before a boot ended up on the ground and then after that a war of maneuver with close air support.

I don't recall much support for Russia before Trump among the republicans, except for the NRA funneling Russian money to the NRA for Trump's first election. On July 4th 2021, 10 republican senators spent the holiday in solidarity with the Russians in Moscow, six months before they invaded Ukraine.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
He wasn't precise in his language, but is essentially correct, I remember years ago when climate change public opinion shifted significantly due to a corporate and national(s) influence. It set the movement away from fossil fuels back by decades and it's only now with extreme weather events that it has shifted back. Probably just as well since we didn't have the tech to go green, we still don't IMO, but that is about to change.

Propaganda and influencers like Trump can make a difference, most Republicans were anti-Russian and promilitary before Trump and now a significant portion of them are fucking near traitors.
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Everyone are not susceptible to propaganda. In fact, most aren't. propaganda has been shown to have an effect on the margins of the target group, not even the majority much less everyone.

Measuring the Effects of Influence Operations: Key Findings and Gaps From Empirical Research


LONG-TERM MASS MEDIA OPERATIONS
Multiple studies showed that long-term influence operations using pre-internet media such as newspapers, radio, and television can be successful at causing voters to support a particular political party.3 For example, populations in Ukraine and Taiwan appeared more likely to vote for pro-Russian or China-endorsed candidates, respectively, after repeated exposure to foreign-supported television channels.4 A separate study of Americans exposed to negative images of Ukraine by Russian media found this exposure decreased approval and perceptions of Ukraine by 10 percent.5

 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Everyone are not susceptible to propaganda. In fact, most aren't. propaganda has been shown to have an effect on the margins of the target group, not even the majority much less everyone.

Measuring the Effects of Influence Operations: Key Findings and Gaps From Empirical Research


LONG-TERM MASS MEDIA OPERATIONS
Multiple studies showed that long-term influence operations using pre-internet media such as newspapers, radio, and television can be successful at causing voters to support a particular political party.3 For example, populations in Ukraine and Taiwan appeared more likely to vote for pro-Russian or China-endorsed candidates, respectively, after repeated exposure to foreign-supported television channels.4 A separate study of Americans exposed to negative images of Ukraine by Russian media found this exposure decreased approval and perceptions of Ukraine by 10 percent.5

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Not everybody, but things like pro Russia can be inserted into a group who is predisposed and who already is watching propaganda like foxnews and following a great leader like Trump. Most republicans used to be hawks and anti-Russian, yet within a few years many were ok with Russia or pro-Russian. This did coincide with the movement of people with hearts and brains out of the GOP while being backfilled by white trash and ignoramuses, attracted to Trump.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Not everybody, but things like pro Russia can be inserted into a group who is predisposed and who already is watching propaganda like foxnews and following a great leader like Trump. Most republicans used to be hawks and anti-Russian, yet within a few years many were ok with Russia or pro-Russian. This did coincide with the movement of people with hearts and brains out of the GOP while being backfilled by white trash and ignoramuses, attracted to Trump.
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He said everybody. It's not even a majority. You can agree with me that you were wrong to post it. You won't lose respect.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
He said everybody. It's not even a majority. You can agree with me that you were wrong to post it. You won't lose respect.
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I did say his language was imprecise! You don't need everybody though, just a majority, or not depending on how the vote is rigged it can be a minority. So, in a tight political situation propaganda "around the margins" can have an impact, especially on social media and trusted TV, but so can "grab them by the pussy"! News has an impact on events and propaganda is news of a sort.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
think that first word say's "everyone"
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It is, but even if incorrect, the point is propaganda can have an impact on enough people in a tight political situation to tip the balance. I mean the Russians sure do put a lot of effort into propaganda on twitter for a reason and advertisers spend hundreds of billions on the "art of persuasion" ads. These people are not wasting their money and these things have an impact, your decisions are only as good as the information you are basing them on and many base their world view on transparent lies that a child could see through.
 
Sativied

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Fogdog said:
I don't know what he means by the word "everyone". It's like you saying all the people of the US are culpable for Trump being the 45th.
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Hasty generalization, false equivalences and guilt by association or perhaps more accurately poisoning the well... it's typical twitter crap, makes for popular tweets. If you think Ukraine should negotiate with Russia and let Russia keep some land they conquered, then you got that upside down too. Which of course isn't necessarily reasonably the case, but that's the general idea, discredit one argument with irrelevant associations. The tweet itself would perhaps fit better in a left or center-wing propaganda thread.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I did say his language was imprecise! You don't need everybody though, just a majority, or not depending on how the vote is rigged it can be a minority. So, in a tight political situation propaganda "around the margins" can have an impact, especially on social media and trusted TV, but so can "grab them by the pussy"! News has an impact on events and propaganda is news of a sort.
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LOL, keep denying the facts and you'll turn into a Republican.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Everybody knows Trump is a crook! Unless they are idiots of course. :lol:
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You deflect again. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that post in fact said everybody was affected by the propaganda when in fact, only a minority were?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
You deflect again. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that post in fact said everybody was affected by the propaganda when in fact, only a minority were?
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I just look at it as a figure of speech myself, an expression the young often use and was more focused on the general idea than grammatical slipups. It's the ideas expressed that are the point. It is a term that almost everyone does not take literally, like a lot of terms we human English speakers use. Language is not math, nor does it always follow logical rules, neither do people.
 
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