Every Time a DC Extortionist Opens Their Mouth, The US Loses Another Job

TheBrutalTruth

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January 29, 2009
Corporations, Tending to a Tattered Image, Clip Wings of Private Jets

By GERALDINE FABRIKANT and LESLIE WAYNE
What’s not to like about a private jet? These days, plenty.
After enjoying a long run as an enviable perk of corporate America — justified to shareholders as time- and money-savers for globe-trotting executives — they are rapidly becoming symbols of high-flying excess.
Congress, in particular, is frowning upon companies that ask for taxpayer bailouts while still enjoying the comfort of their private planes or placing orders for a new one.
Detroit automakers learned that lesson late last year, and announced they would sell their fleets after being questioned in Congressional hearings. Now Citigroup has said it would not take delivery of a $42 million Dassault Falcon 7X jet that it had planned to buy.
“It’s getting to be a black eye to own a corporate jet,” said Paul Nisbet, an aviation analyst with JSA Research. With so many companies deciding to sell their planes — both for cost-cutting reasons and to avoid public relations headaches — the used-jet market is being flooded with inventory, and the prices of private jets are falling faster than the value of McMansions. On Wednesday, Starbucks said it would sell two of its three corporate jets, a Gulfstream 550 and a Gulfstream V, to save money.
“A year ago, there would be 30 people looking for one airplane,” said Jay Mesinger, a corporate jet broker, who said that prices had fallen 30 to 40 percent since late 2007. “Today there are 30 airplanes looking for one buyer.“
With the economy continuing to sour, more airplanes will most likely be chasing even fewer buyers.
“After the automakers came to Washington and after the Citibank silliness, there’s been a rush to get out of these airplanes,” said Clark Onstad, president of Solutions 4 VIP, a Denver company that outfits large corporate jets. “Price is not an issue. They are selling for image purposes, and the operation of a jet is a small overall cost in relation to a company’s image. So they are saying, ‘dump.’ ”
Manufacturers are hurting. This month Cessna, maker of the popular Cessna Citation, said it would lay off an additional 2,000 workers — its second round of cuts — and that the company would probably shrink production in 2009. Last week, employees at Hawker Beechcraft, another corporate jet maker, were told to prepare for another round of layoffs after 500 job cuts last December. Business at Cessna, which had been anticipating an upturn in orders in 2009, had a steep decline in the third quarter of 2008.
“Very recently this market has taken an extreme turn down,” with customers worldwide canceling orders and delaying deliveries, Douglas Oliver, a Cessna spokesman, said Wednesday. “We are looking at a brave new world compared to three months ago.”
The trade association for the corporate jet business said that its members were being unfairly maligned. “We are concerned that actions in Washington are disparaging and discouraging of general aviation being used for business purposes,” said Ed Bolen, president of the National Business Aviation Association.
When the global economy was surging, airplanes commanded a premium above sticker price, and manufacturers enjoyed a three- to five-year backlog. Given that shortage, buyers were even paying new plane prices for a used jet because they did not want to wait.
In the current depressed market, Mr. Mesinger said that Citigroup could pick up a used 2003 Bombardier Global Express XRS — which, like the Dassault Falcon, seats 12 to 14 people and has trans-Atlantic capability — for about $30 million. That same 2003 plane would have sold for $48 million in late 2007.
Another plane that can accommodate about the same number of travelers is the Gulfstream V. A 2003 model would have sold for $42 million to $44 million during the boom. Today a seller would be lucky to fetch a price of $25 million or so, brokers said.
The pool of potential buyers is also drying up because of the difficulty in obtaining credit.
“Until the banks start financing, the amount of planes on the market will continue to grow,” said Richard Santulli, chief executive of Netjets, a private jet company owned by Berkshire Hathaway. When credit eases, he added, “the market will open up because interest rates are so low.”
Mr. Nisbet of JSA Research said that the makers of smaller corporate jets were hurting more than companies selling bigger jets.
Indeed, General Dynamics, the parent company of Gulfstream, reported higher fourth-quarter profits Wednesday at Gulfstream as a result of strong 2008 sales.
The plane maker’s fourth-quarter profits rose 25 percent, to $264 million. It expects to deliver 124 planes in 2009, down from 156. But this drop will be offset by the fact that more of them will be bigger, high-end models. The company has a backlog of 246 orders for the next two and a half years.
These bigger jets, Mr. Nisbet said, “are often bought by billionaires who can dole out $55 million for a plane and fly it off.”
Claire Cain Miller contributed reporting.
With all the talk about how evil it is that corporations are still maintain their jets it is becoming increasingly apparent that every time one of the extortionists on the beltway opens their mouth another American loses their job.

This article probably serves to prove it. Due to the fact that the politicians got all bent out of shape when executives flew in on jets to see them (a minor expense, considering that most corporations can pay for their own jets out of their pocket change, and that they don't give their pilots 6 and 7 figure bonuses) America is suffering more.

Once again, the whining of statists and jealous public officials (see how green with envy those asshats in Congress are?) has caused more damage to the United States Economy, and the Global Economy.
 

old pothead

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Glad to see my tax money at work,but not what it was to be used for.That is just as bad as one bank buying another instead of freeing up the money for small companies to pay employes.
The rich get richer and the working people get fu!ked.OPH
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I don't know TBT, when I see someone crying about being broke but they're flying around on a private jet and being driven around in limo's, I just can't feel sorry for them.

I've said all along, they should sell off assets, including personal assets of anyone who received a fat bonus check and save their own company.

I think some disdain from the government was well deserved.
 

misshestermoffitt

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General Dynamics profit rises 16 percent

Source: Reuters

Date :10/22/2008 8:29:51 AM

Defense contractor General Dynamics Corp reported a 16 percent rise in third-quarter profit on Wednesday, helped by strong sales of military ships and business jets.
The U.S. No. 4 defense contractor, which makes Abrams tanks and Gulfstream aircraft, has been buoyed by demand for its armored vehicles by U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and boom in private aircraft sales.

General Dynamics, based in Falls Church, Virginia, posted a quarterly profit of $634 million, or $1.59 per share, compared with $546 million, or $1.34 per share, a year earlier.

That beat analysts' average profit forecast of $1.51 per share, according to Reuters Estimates.

Revenue rose 4.5 percent to $7.1 billion.
















I wonder where the profits went? Big fat bonus checks for upper management, I bet they didn't save anything for a rainy day and OMG, it's raining like a motherfucker now.

This is exactly why I don't feel sorry for big business, they dine at the trough with times are good and then expect corporate welfare when times get tough, then they take their corporate welfare and stash in their own personal bank accounts and cut jobs.
 

medicineman

New Member
wonder where the profits went? Big fat bonus checks for upper management, I bet they didn't save anything for a rainy day and OMG, it's raining like a motherfucker now.

This is exactly why I don't feel sorry for big business, they dine at the trough with times are good and then expect corporate welfare when times get tough, then they take their corporate welfare and stash in their own personal bank accounts and cut jobs.

Yup, exactly. I wonder, say Max, Jax, TBT, what kind of private jets do you guys have??
 

TheBrutalTruth

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wonder where the profits went? Big fat bonus checks for upper management, I bet they didn't save anything for a rainy day and OMG, it's raining like a motherfucker now.

This is exactly why I don't feel sorry for big business, they dine at the trough with times are good and then expect corporate welfare when times get tough, then they take their corporate welfare and stash in their own personal bank accounts and cut jobs.

Yup, exactly. I wonder, say Max, Jax, TBT, what kind of private jets do you guys have??
New Gulfstream V, what else?
 

ViRedd

New Member
When will the Communists wake up and smell the coffee? Remember when the Democrats put a huge luxury tax on yachts? Thousands of jobs were lost because the wealthy started buying their luxury yachts in Taiwan.

Hey Med ... remember your high school physics class? "When ever there is an action, there is an opposite reaction."

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
when will the communists wake up and smell the coffee? Remember when the democrats put a huge luxury tax on yachts? Thousands of jobs were lost because the wealthy started buying their luxury yachts in taiwan.

hey med ... Remember your high school physics class? "when ever there is an action, there is an opposite reaction."

vi
tarrifs and restrictions on imports and the rich should not be allowed to go buy frugally in foriegn countries unless they intend to keep them there. In fact, i wish all the rich dicks would just move to wherever and leave their mansions for the homeless. I mean, if you are rich, why not live in the south of france or the islands? Why stay around here and fuck with poor people. Btw, i never took physics in hs. I think that was for college level. Missed that also. Algebra i,ii and geometry, i was always good in math, but missed the physics lessons,
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ViRedd

New Member
Bop Hoo, had to fly to Taiwan to buy my yacht, waaaaa, waaaaaa, waaaaaa.......
I think you missed the point, miss ...

Because of government action (huge increase in the luxury tax), the buyers stopped buying in this country and that cost thousands of American jobs and put American firms out of business. Once the luxury tax was repealed, the yacht business here in America picked right up again.

So ... that brings us to today's economic recovery. What would happen if the federal government just began a one or two year tax holiday? I mean, forget the trillion dollar wish-list spending package. We don't need it.

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
I think you missed the point, miss ...

Because of government action (huge increase in the luxury tax), the buyers stopped buying in this country and that cost thousands of American jobs and put American firms out of business. Once the luxury tax was repealed, the yacht business here in America picked right up again.

So ... that brings us to today's economic recovery. What would happen if the federal government just began a one or two year tax holiday? I mean, forget the trillion dollar wish-list spending package. We don't need it.

Vi
Tell that to all the unemployed, broke and homeless. A tax holiday would really help them, right? Wrong, it would only help the rich. What a pitiful human being you must be. Oh and I use the term "Human" very loosely
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Tell that to all the unemployed, broke and homeless. A tax holiday would really help them, right? Wrong, it would only help the rich. What a pitiful human being you must be. Oh and I use the term "Human" very loosely
Med o' Mao, do you pride yourself on being thicker than a ten ton slate of granite or something?

The idea is to get those people back to work, not to give them paid vacations at the expense of everyone else that is still working and still paying taxes.

The best way to get them back to work... is...

TO GET THE ECONOMY FUCKING MOVING AGAIN

and, surprise, you need people spending money (movement of money) in order to be able to accomplish that. Which is why the Democrat's idiotic spending package is going to fail miserably when it comes to creating jobs, and spurring economic growth.

The goal isn't to create a bunch of temporary, government positions that will vanish, the goal is to get the economy moving forward again, with consumer confidence restored, and people able to bankrupt themselves with idiotic use of credit.

The idea is to give people the ability to pay their bills (which isn't bloody POSSIBLE on unemployment benefits.)

If these people were having a hard time paying their bills before when they had a job, what on Earth makes you think that they'll be able to pay their bills on 50 - 75% of their income?
 
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