Endo and ecto bateria in DTW coco

Hello guys, I opened this thread in "advanced forum", as I am expecting some "advanced" opinions based on science. Papers please.

Don't start with "I grew one pound plant with them" please. Or with "my friend said...".

So, what's your opinion on ecto and endo bacterias in our hobby? We know in the ground there are millions of them, so nothing new here. More specificly I am interested on my setup, DTW in coco. As I water them 2-3x per day, I wonder if I flush bacterias too?

Some questions:
- Which one we need? Or to better say, which one is beneficial to our plants in coco?
- I've read we don't need ecto bacteria, it this right?
- As we already fed plants with NPK, does salts kills bacteria or not? Seems to be a lot of opinions but no science behind claims.
- As we fed them with NPK, those nutrients are already available, so we don't need "nitrogen fixing, nitrogen from air, phosphorus fixing" etc... or do we?
- Popular Great white and Orca (same list of ingredients, one in powder, other in liquid form) has Trichoderma in it. My coco already has Trichoderma in it. But I've read that Trichoderma kills other bacteria, so what is the point mixing bacteria and Trichoderma in one product then? If it's true what I've read...
- And final one million dollar question - does they really improve yield? (Mykos and Azos with 1000kg pumpkin in mind). Anyone did side by side with clones?

You know, I am "science guy" (I want proof, I don't like talking like fog), I am not buying 100 of fancy bottles you can find in robber... pardon, growshops.

Scienceguy talking microbes better have ya electro scan game on lock. Or been tripping off foot hash since the days of Moses. Labels are for manmade consticts. Weed isn't for scienceguys. Go make some pills or something.

Endo, ecto, I don't care what they call them.You grow in [essentially] an intra veinious vitamin solution you don't respect da microbes.

Does plastic npk kill microbes? Well if you aren't growing, you are dying.

Does plastic npk synthesize real plant resins? No. Science says they are the same but measurable real world characteristics show marked differences in the end product. Mastic vs plastic.. Just like fake terps. Science says they equal. Okay ya dun marked yaself agreeing with that. Yeah and also there's 739 genders in the year 2019 according to Bill Nye, the Scienceguy.

Scienceguys says strains are bullshit, even though each strain has unique pheno-defining microbes with their own circadian rythtm and daily lives. The microbes that enter the root travel back and forth. If Bill Nye quantifies rhizo microbes in the morning, and I claim the demographic is different at night, why is Scienceguy automatically correct for failing to collect real world data?

I think I'd rather trust the hash-binged lunatics at this point, than the scienceguys who say no such thing as OG,no such thing as Trainwreck. Who's weed still smells like skunk and hash, and who's smells like plastic, pesticides and dryer sheets? Have the scienceguys in California figured out how to recreate the skunk bud being grown in the mid-south? The trippy Thai Sativas with no ceiling? The shit everyone misses? Grown by illiterate mountain men?

Every microbe the plant need is in the seed. Every internet grower on earth, apparently, inoculates with foreign microbes, and foreign carbs,and random ass mineral profiles, then wonders why they have to pick different strains every time instead of growing the same perfect pest free plant for 30 years..

KonopCh said:

Hello guys, I opened this thread in "advanced forum", as I am expecting some "advanced" opinions based on science. Papers please.

Don't start with "I grew one pound plant with them" please. Or with "my friend said...".

So, what's your opinion on ecto and endo bacterias in our hobby? We know in the ground there are millions of them, so nothing new here. More specificly I am interested on my setup, DTW in coco. As I water them 2-3x per day, I wonder if I flush bacterias too?

Some questions:
- Which one we need? Or to better say, which one is beneficial to our plants in coco?
- I've read we don't need ecto bacteria, it this right?
- As we already fed plants with NPK, does salts kills bacteria or not? Seems to be a lot of opinions but no science behind claims.
- As we fed them with NPK, those nutrients are already available, so we don't need "nitrogen fixing, nitrogen from air, phosphorus fixing" etc... or do we?
- Popular Great white and Orca (same list of ingredients, one in powder, other in liquid form) has Trichoderma in it. My coco already has Trichoderma in it. But I've read that Trichoderma kills other bacteria, so what is the point mixing bacteria and Trichoderma in one product then? If it's true what I've read...
- And final one million dollar question - does they really improve yield? (Mykos and Azos with 1000kg pumpkin in mind). Anyone did side by side with clones?

You know, I am "science guy" (I want proof, I don't like talking like fog), I am not buying 100 of fancy bottles you can find in robber... pardon, growshops.

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Check this out and go with the beneficials.

“In the mix
Unlike other hydroponic mediums, coco gives the grower a high degree of control over moisture retention and drainage, in addition to being the perfect environment for beneficial bacteria and fungi – namely bacillus, mycorrhizae and trichoderma.

Just like with soil, growers can achieve different degrees of drainage and aeration by amending coco. With plain coco, growers can water almost as they would if the plants were being grown in soil – once every one to three days, depending on the size of the plants and the containers they are in – and provide nutrients with every feeding, since coco contains no nutrients.”


http://blog.bghydro.com/tag/beneficial-bacteria/

By the way OP - you insist on no personal stories and demand scientific evidence (lacking for a Schedule I “drug”) and immediately after solicit opinions from others. Which is it?