Effects of Sequestration

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Like Britain’s housing market, Ireland’s is not uniform. In Britain prices are rising in London, but falling almost everywhere else. Ireland is the mirror image – prices are rising in rural areas, but still falling in Dublin. In August, prices in the capital fell by another 0.5%.
And that’s worth paying attention to. Because as David McNamara of Davy Stockbrokers argues, the rural property market is a poor guide to what is really happening. This is because it is “illiquid’ and “dysfunctional”.
What’s happening is that, rather than cutting prices to where they would find buyers, heavily-indebted homeowners are choosing to stay in their property as long as lenders are willing to let them. This shortage of housing means that those who do want to buy in rural areas have to pay a premium to do so.
This mismatch between supply and demand is shown by the fact that mortgage lending and transactions outside Dublin are at historic lows.
It’s not unlike the situation in Britain, where homeowners who can’t afford to move or remortgage are only able to cling on to their homes for as long as interest rates remain near zero.
McNamara also warns that auction and portfolio sales suggest that the scale of the fall in Irish house prices may be even greater than official data recognises. Ulster Bank recently sold a package of apartments, along with some commercial property, at a price that was 70% below the 2007 peak, rather than the 50% that the house prices indices suggest.
Wow, you don't know shit.

http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/now-market-faces-major-shortage-of-family-homes-29087113.html

At the very least, we ain't gonna be borrowing soon and yet we're doing at least as well as you guys are...but we have free education and universal healthcare.

Care to tell me again how austerity can't bring you out of a recession?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Wow, you don't know shit.

http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/now-market-faces-major-shortage-of-family-homes-29087113.html

At the very least, we ain't gonna be borrowing soon and yet we're doing at least as well as you guys are...but we have free education and universal healthcare.

Care to tell me again how austerity can't bring you out of a recession?
I dont know much about the Irish Economy. In the trade I am in we have never dealt with Ireland. Most of the exports we do are going to France Spain and Germany in Europe.
 

Walter9999

Well-Known Member
I'm confused. The conservatives claimed government spending "never created a single job." Yet now they claim the reduced government spending is going to cost hundreds of thousands of jobs.


It doesn't work both ways.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
I'm confused. The conservatives claimed government spending "never created a single job." Yet now they claim the reduced government spending is going to cost hundreds of thousands of jobs.


It doesn't work both ways.
It might cost some pencil pusher with no "real" job description their employment, but who wants to pay for those sort of people anyways?
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Eastonia, Latvia, Lithuania are all shining examples of fixing an economy through reduction of government (austerity to some).

I'm looking, but I can't find any success stories that are comparable using Keynesian methods. Maybe somebody else can?
Anybody? Beuller?
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/estonia-and-austerity-another-exploding-cigar-for-paul-krugman/
Sixteen months after it joined the struggling currency bloc, Estonia is booming. The economy grew 7.6 percent last year, five times the euro-zone average. Estonia is the only euro-zone country with a budget surplus. National debt is just 6 percent of GDP, compared to 81 percent in virtuous Germany, or 165 percent in Greece. Shoppers throng Nordic design shops and cool new restaurants in Tallinn, the medieval capital, and cutting-edge tech firms complain they can’t find people to fill their job vacancies. It all seems a long way from the gloom elsewhere in Europe. Estonia’s achievement is all the more remarkable when you consider that it was one of the countries hardest hit by the global financial crisis. …How did they bounce back? “I can answer in one word: austerity. Austerity, austerity, austerity,” says Peeter Koppel, investment strategist at the SEB Bank. …that’s not exactly the message that Europeans further south want to hear. …Estonia has also paid close attention to the fundamentals of establishing a favorable business environment: reducing and simplifying taxes, and making it easy and cheap to build companies.
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member

  • Credit is still tight, but is thawing. Part of this is
    perception...lenders will not be back to frothy 07 levels for a while...hopefully. Nonetheless, while it's still tighter, it's improved since 09-10 levels and they are making more loans. Confidence in capital deployment is up. I didn't say normal...I would say approaching.








Not the tune you were singing earlier. And umm. no. banks are not loaning to folks in my neck of the woods on mortgages. unless you have worked the same job for like 20 years and have 20k in the bank. Most don't mmmkay so you are wrong. period

That's partially because you jump off on tangents not bothering to read what I wrote and partially because you live in backwoods dumbfuckville. If you have less than 20k in the bank, you probably aren't going to qualify for $400k mortgage mkay? Those days are gone. Lending is not back to prereccesion levels, but it's way up over 09 levels...no two ways about it. Not sure why this is a sticking point...go to the Fed's website or look it up if you don't believe me.
Or are you talking about all the shovel ready jobs?








I know it is prob. getting difficult to read for your old ass bein it is now like 3am but did you miss the part where I said "trades" This implies skilled trades. Do you know what that is. You know the guys that put together all those nice office buildings ppl. like you go to everyday. The backbone of the american work force.Yup thats right guys like me. Yah, you did it now shovel ready jobs my ass. comparing what I do to being on foodstamps and welfare. FUCK YOU. YOU have officially reached thinbaggy status from me. Why don't you go kick a dog or something. I'm sure things like this make you feel better. Or maybe smack your wife or boyfriend or whatever.

What a mouthfull. Pure emotional drivel..off topic. You want to find the Pelosi widespread quote, I'll post it for you. Typical liberal savant making everything an assault on the "working man". For the 3rd time...I don't know what you do besides pick your boogers and eat them so how was I attacking you again? The only person attacking anyone is you. Read through the posts Captain Butthurt.

uncomfortable? hardly. You are cheer leading for the repub party you said so in post # 97 you fool when you said :
  • Yup. No party can run wild. Even the public tires, that's why perception changes after one has gone too long.

So what? Bush was in the sun too long, now has been the other side.


Sorry to burst your bubble but the public is not tired of him yet! You do realize he just got overwhelmingly reelected right? So after 4 hrs you couldn't come up w/ any cognitive answer to the question highlighted in red?
and you still defend an obviously red approach to political views. Enjoy being the minority on this site bub.
I could give 2 shits. Just because someone grows/grew doesn't mean they have to want to taste Obama's sack. I joined this site before you...I'm well aware.

I think you have exposed yourself for what you are. A well paid closet dope smoker who hates the fact that he pay's as much tax as he does. LOL I knew you couldn't hang. Btw No one said you couldn't use past legislation. I only said past statistics were boring. Noone said you had to use your crystal balls. lol
So I give you yet another chance O CREATOR OF DECEITFUL RESPONSES
More personal attacks. You have exposed yourself for what you are...entrepreneur my ass. Liberal deadbeat. And if you actually paid any taxes you would probably understand. They only people that don't care are the ones who don't know what shit smells like anymore.

I will up the ante a bit too as I am a decent poker player I know when to bet. If you can find any republican sponsored legislation in the past ten years that directly benefits middle class america I will give you plus rep

Ten years bro that's a long time. This shouldn't be too hard. Right? Since We have all been mislead about the true nature of the democratic party according to you. They do not represent middle class america it must be your guys right?
They aren't my guys if you could actually fucking read. I'd gladly vote for a good independent if they could actually win. The GOP has been incredibly weak. Not that any proposals would make it anyway. How many headlines have you read that say GOP sends proposal to whitehouse to close loopholes and reduce spending? White house shoots it down. Jobs bills and budgets that never make it through the senate. Half of which are only marginal improvements anyway. You think you have stumped me on a magic bullet, but I never purported to have one. GOV is broken! I'd ask you what the left has done? Another equal pay for women? Fart in a hurricane. A blown stimulus?

What a fucking joke here.
I am quite sure I will get the same type of runaround response from you on this matter too tho. I am sure it will be very hard to find a way in which the conservative right has helped out avg. folks recently.

as far as what is cut due to sequestration. Everything gets cut. across the board. I say fucking great. cut it all I have no problem w/that at all. I hope these lazy incompetent ppl we call rep.'s continue this all summer. It will not affect me and mine a bit. It will expose this sham of a gov't for what it really is. A bunch of ppl on both sides too idealistic to do what is best for the ppl.
Kind of the point you missed up until now, but thanks for all the intermediary hate.

The more you post the more it shows just how out of touch you are
w/most americans.
HA. You organizing communities bro?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

  • Credit is still tight, but is thawing. Part of this is
    perception...lenders will not be back to frothy 07 levels for a while...hopefully. Nonetheless, while it's still tighter, it's improved since 09-10 levels and they are making more loans. Confidence in capital deployment is up. I didn't say normal...I would say approaching.








Not the tune you were singing earlier. And umm. no. banks are not loaning to folks in my neck of the woods on mortgages. unless you have worked the same job for like 20 years and have 20k in the bank. Most don't mmmkay so you are wrong. period

  • Or are you talking about all the shovel ready jobs?





I know it is prob. getting difficult to read for your old ass bein it is now like 3am but did you miss the part where I said "trades" This implies skilled trades. Do you know what that is. You know the guys that put together all those nice office buildings ppl. like you go to everyday. The backbone of the american work force.Yup thats right guys like me. Yah, you did it now shovel ready jobs my ass. comparing what I do to being on foodstamps and welfare. FUCK YOU. YOU have officially reached thinbaggy status from me. Why don't you go kick a dog or something. I'm sure things like this make you feel better. Or maybe smack your wife or boyfriend or whatever.

uncomfortable? hardly. You are cheer leading for the repub party you said so in post # 97 you fool when you said :
  • Yup. No party can run wild. Even the public tires, that's why perception changes after one has gone too long.


Sorry to burst your bubble but the public is not tired of him yet! You do realize he just got overwhelmingly reelected right? So after 4 hrs you couldn't come up w/ any cognitive answer to the question highlighted in red?
and you still defend an obviously red approach to political views. Enjoy being the minority on this site bub. I think you have exposed yourself for what you are. A well paid closet dope smoker who hates the fact that he pay's as much tax as he does. LOL I knew you couldn't hang. Btw No one said you couldn't use past legislation. I only said past statistics were boring. Noone said you had to use your crystal balls. lol
So I give you yet another chance O CREATOR OF DECEITFUL RESPONSES
I will up the ante a bit too as I am a decent poker player I know when to bet. If you can find any republican sponsored legislation in the past ten years that directly benefits middle class america I will give you plus rep

Ten years bro that's a long time. This shouldn't be too hard. Right? Since We have all been mislead about the true nature of the democratic party according to you. They do not represent middle class america it must be your guys right? What a fucking joke here.
I am quite sure I will get the same type of runaround response from you on this matter too tho. I am sure it will be very hard to find a way in which the conservative right has helped out avg. folks recently.

as far as what is cut due to sequestration. Everything gets cut. across the board. I say fucking great. cut it all I have no problem w/that at all. I hope these lazy incompetent ppl we call rep.'s continue this all summer. It will not affect me and mine a bit. It will expose this sham of a gov't for what it really is. A bunch of ppl on both sides too idealistic to do what is best for the ppl.

The more you post the more it shows just how out of touch you are
w/most americans.
JGTRRA meets the criterion highlighted in red. cn
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_and_Growth_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2003

The link contains tax rate tables that demonstrate immediate and quantifiable benefits to middle-class wage earners. Joe owes me a response. cn
Like most statist, he thinks government spending and taxing is the solution to the problems of the middle class. Seeking magic legislation, more government and not a fiscally responsible country with a strong economy. Threatening to raise taxes every five minutes or dumping a huge entitlement like Obamacare on business that noone can figure out ultimately results in a lower tide, thus hurting the middle class.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Eastonia, Latvia, Lithuania are all shining examples of fixing an economy through reduction of government (austerity to some).

I'm looking, but I can't find any success stories that are comparable using Keynesian methods. Maybe somebody else can?
Anybody? Beuller?
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/estonia-and-austerity-another-exploding-cigar-for-paul-krugman/
Sixteen months after it joined the struggling currency bloc, Estonia is booming. The economy grew 7.6 percent last year, five times the euro-zone average. Estonia is the only euro-zone country with a budget surplus. National debt is just 6 percent of GDP, compared to 81 percent in virtuous Germany, or 165 percent in Greece. Shoppers throng Nordic design shops and cool new restaurants in Tallinn, the medieval capital, and cutting-edge tech firms complain they can’t find people to fill their job vacancies. It all seems a long way from the gloom elsewhere in Europe. Estonia’s achievement is all the more remarkable when you consider that it was one of the countries hardest hit by the global financial crisis. …How did they bounce back? “I can answer in one word: austerity. Austerity, austerity, austerity,” says Peeter Koppel, investment strategist at the SEB Bank. …that’s not exactly the message that Europeans further south want to hear. …Estonia has also paid close attention to the fundamentals of establishing a favorable business environment: reducing and simplifying taxes, and making it easy and cheap to build companies.
that's so funny.

whenever i try to compare our healthcare system to those of other nations, i am told we are not that country and thus the comparison is invalid.

yet no such problem when righties want to talk austerity. all of a sudden, estonia is a perfectly apt comparison.

such hypocrisy and double standards from a bunch of cowardly, hypocritical blowhards.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Hey Buck, the subject posted was about austerity and it's success. Nobody mentioned healthcare. The question was also posed to show any success using keynesian methods.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Hey Buck, the subject posted was about austerity and it's success. Nobody mentioned healthcare. The question was also posed to show any success using keynesian methods.
*its

i'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and double standards, sistah. chill yo' vag.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
so you got nothing and decided to troll instead, that's cool. Have at it.

UB; "sure the Baltics disproves anything about how economies work that my side touts, but they have health care so mentioning their success is invalid"

that cover it?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Hey Buck, the subject posted was about austerity and it's success. Nobody mentioned healthcare. The question was also posed to show any success using keynesian methods.
Estonia has a total population of 1.4 million people. And a military that could be taken down by one unit of Los Angeles SWAT team
 
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