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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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slacker140 said:
Seems reasonable to me if there was some recourse for like when a company sells you hemp seeds instead of the flashy strains they marketed. As it is now they can sell you pebbles in place of seeds and there's not much you can do. They want to claim thc or cbd percentages or terpenes or effects or it being viroid free. They should be held accountable for such claims and have to prove that certain percentages of said seeds will produce that outcome. They can currently claim anything they want.
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How I hold a vendor accountable is I tell others of my experience with them etc. If it was positive, I pass that along, if it was negative I pass that along.

Amazing huh?
 
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boundybounderson

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slacker140 said:
This perception of smells like is not quantifiable and is subjective. However what is not is if a breeder claims to have certain THC, or cbd, or certain terpenes percentages or even claiming to be viroid free and the breeder gets his batch of seeds grown and tested under controlled approved conditions possibly even in house and submitted for testing. Then if percentages of plants come back testing positive for hlvd or not the required percentages come back testing for cbd levels they are denied approvals.
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I see more seed makers showing viroid tests than any claims of THC% or terp% these days. This isn't something that needs regulation. The market is pressuring the producers to regulate themselves. The subjective smell example works for hard numbers too. Why should the seed producers have to take the hit for bad growers who can't produce quality?

slacker140 said:
Take hops for example. I'm fairly certain that if you were a business and you purchased a quantity of hops seeds that claimed to be viroid free and you spent an entire season growing out said hops seeds to find out that your crop was ruined by a known viroid that was testable for because they did not really do testing then you would likely have recourse for your loss of investment based on false claims.
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So a lawsuit? Those already exist.

I listened to a podcast/youtube with TikiMadman who has been deep into viroid testing for his own stock and he said hop farmers ask him why the cannabis industry is freaking out because the viroid only affects 10% of hops. So it sounds like it's simply a fact of life in that industry and not something that calls for regulation.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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slacker140 said:
This perception of smells like is not quantifiable and is subjective. However what is not is if a breeder claims to have certain THC, or cbd, or certain terpenes percentages or even claiming to be viroid free and the breeder gets his batch of seeds grown and tested under controlled approved conditions possibly even in house and submitted for testing. Then if percentages of plants come back testing positive for hlvd or not the required percentages come back testing for cbd levels they are denied approvals.
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"Denied approvals"

Why is it, so many people want government to be involved with anything to do with weed? Those fuckers are STILL locking people up for a plant.

Maybe a better way would be for you or somebody who values it to start an independent testing agency and you can give away, sell or publish the results and the market will decide if you are a good source of info. ?
 
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boundybounderson

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slacker140 said:
As stated previously by xtsho. There already is an organization setup to do some basic testing and verification against false claims. Do you feel cannabis seeds should be the only seeds exempt from this regulation?

Federal Seed Act | Agricultural Marketing Service

www.ams.usda.gov www.ams.usda.gov
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They already are.

"Agricultural seeds. The term “agricultural seeds” means the following kinds of grass, forage, and field crop seeds, that are used for seeding purposes in the United States:"

"Hemp - Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa"

Cannabis seeds are considered hemp (<.3% THC) so you can feel free to search that behemoth of a document for exactly how seed makers are violating the act.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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I read something not long ago about a consortium of old time breeders putting together a governing body to track and certify seeds but damned if I can find the link. Was sure I bookmarked it so will keep looking.

Something like that would be better than the fed f'ing with it.

:peace:
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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slacker140 said:
As stated previously by xtsho. There already is an organization setup to do some basic testing and verification against false claims. Do you feel cannabis seeds should be the only seeds exempt from this regulation?

Federal Seed Act | Agricultural Marketing Service

www.ams.usda.gov www.ams.usda.gov
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I don't object to independent testing, if somebody wants to do that.

I object to having the same gang that will shoot your dog while stealing your plants, from being involved with cannabis regulation. They've already proven they can't be trusted. Just say no!!
 
Rurumo

Rurumo

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boundybounderson said:
I see more seed makers showing viroid tests than any claims of THC% or terp% these days. This isn't something that needs regulation. The market is pressuring the producers to regulate themselves. The subjective smell example works for hard numbers too. Why should the seed producers have to take the hit for bad growers who can't produce quality?



So a lawsuit? Those already exist.

I listened to a podcast/youtube with TikiMadman who has been deep into viroid testing for his own stock and he said hop farmers ask him why the cannabis industry is freaking out because the viroid only affects 10% of hops. So it sounds like it's simply a fact of life in that industry and not something that calls for regulation.
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It's cute that Tiki is so dismissive of the seriousness of this viroid since he was one of the major breeders to get hammered by it. At least Dark Heart had the decency to admit the scope of this issue and actually do something about it. I'd like to see a voluntary "clean seed" certification program for cannabis rather than some horrible state/federal program, but this viroid is serious enough it may come to that. Everyone should take HpLVd seriously.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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Rob Roy said:
"Denied approvals"

Why is it, so many people want government to be involved with anything to do with weed? Those fuckers are STILL locking people up for a plant.

Maybe a better way would be for you or somebody who values it to start an independent testing agency and you can give away, sell or publish the results and the market will decide if you are a good source of info. ?
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I don't think people are supporting Govt involvement, so much as they're supporting the Govt lifting Federal bans regarding cannabis, and then also giving the industry a "fair shake" in terms of business dealing, licensing, etc.

Wanting to get a license to sell a product you make isn't "supporting Govt involvement" in my opinion, it's just an effort to follow the rules, set a proper example & be left alone (for the most part) to create and sell their product.
 
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