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xtsho said:

There is no regulation on any claims you make and the chances of any legal action against you are next to none. Pay your taxes and you will be fine.

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With all due respect, this is a self contradicting statement as a rebuttal against "there are legal repercussions". There are legal repercussions.

It pretty much says, "we wil let you sell seeds as long as you agree to be regulated by us and pay us a cut". That's not a scenario without legal repercussions, it's one with baked in legal hoops and implied threats disguised as regulation. People should not need permission to do consensual trades or commerce in seeds.

Free the seed !!!

Rob Roy said:

With all due respect, this is a self contradicting statement as a rebuttal against "there are legal repercussions". There are legal repercussions.

It pretty much says, "we wil let you sell seeds as long as you agree to be regulated by us and pay us a cut". That's not a scenario without legal repercussions, it's one with baked in legal hoops and implied threats disguised as regulation. People should not need permission to due consensual trades or commerce in seeds.

Free the seed !!!

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What do you mean free the seed? So there shouldn't be any regulation at all? With so many people claiming that cannabis is medicine there should be some regulation. Medicine is regulated and it should be.

Hell, everything is regulated. Gasoline, food products, building codes, etc... Why make an exception for cannabis seeds? Or do you think anyone should just be allowed to sell anything they want without oversight whatsoever?

At the very minimum cannabis seeds should fall under the FSA. Many of those selling cannabis seeds are in violation of the FSA by making false claims.


"The FSA regulates the interstate shipment of agricultural and vegetable seeds. The FSA requires that seed shipped in interstate commerce be labeled with information that allows seed buyers to make informed choices. Seed labeling information and advertisements pertaining to the seed must be truthful. The FSA helps promote uniformity among State laws and fair competition within the seed trade."

xtsho said:

Why make an exception for cannabis seeds? Or do you think anyone should just be allowed to sell anything they want without oversight whatsoever?

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I don't think the same gang that arrested millions of people for cannabis related "crimes" should have anything to do with cannabis.

I don't think you understand how consumer feedback is a free market regulatory mechanism and you default to the idea that everything has to have some government involved in it or it's somehow unacceptable. I still like your promoting citric acid though...so you got that going for ya!

Rob Roy said:

I don't think the same gang that arrested millions of people for cannabis related "crimes" should have anything to do with cannabis.

I don't think you understand how consumer feedback is a free market regulatory mechanism and you default to the idea that everything has to have some government involved in it or it's somehow unacceptable. I still like your promoting citric acid though...so you got that going for ya!

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Without regulation you end up like China with melamine tainted baby food products and nasty gutter oil being sold on the street for cooking.

As for citric acid, I was talking about that years ago because it's effective. Now everyone seems to be promoting it.

xtsho said:

Without regulation you end up like China with melamine tainted baby food products and nasty gutter oil being sold on the street for cooking.

As for citric acid, I was talking about that years ago because it's effective. Now everyone seems to be promoting it.

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Perhaps it's worth repeating. There IS a free market regulation mechanism. Consumer feedback.

You already use it, I use it, any person that contributes to the seeds section on this forum with their feedback uses it.

As an aside, why would you want the same gang that sprayed paraquat on weed we may have consumed in the 1970s to be the regulator ? You'd willingly give those fuckers money ? They can bite my hairy ass.

that the cannabis seedmarket is generated in the USA or Europe does not mean that all people must follow the laws/taxes of those areas,

I don't have to pay fucking taxes to a fucking country/government where I don't live
inform yourself and decide for yourself,

regulate flowers/medicine perhaps, seeds never

free the seeds fuck gobernments

No, the gov't isn't going to regulate your pack that herm'd and give you a mechanism for a refund. Caveat emptor.

xtsho said:

Without regulation you end up like China with melamine tainted baby food products and nasty gutter oil being sold on the street for cooking.

As for citric acid, I was talking about that years ago because it's effective. Now everyone seems to be promoting it.

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It sounds good in theory. If you dig a little deeper what happens is the people being regulated figure out they can use their money to lobby or fund their guy to create policy .. you then have a revolving door of industry captured regulators who then create policy to squeeze the little guys out of the market legally. Just take a look at the cannabis industry itself as an example...

Bodhi Seeds on Sale
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rmzrmz said:

Bodhi Seeds on Sale
greatlakesgenetics.com
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I got a chuckle out of this:




What the hell does "Not Fully Tested" mean? Nevermind...

Good grief

xtsho said:

I got a chuckle out of this:

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What the hell does "Not Fully Tested" mean? Nevermind...

Good grief

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Agreed you dont sell untested seeds this is half the bloody problem these days in my opinion you give em away as freebies sure or testers you do not sell them this is pollen chucker level shit and i know bodhi seeds is kinda like more calculated pollen chucking with rare cuts and landrace and heirlooms anyway vs proper breeding but still i thought they were above that

If you can find more fairly priced beans let me know lol

Seems reasonable to me if there was some recourse for like when a company sells you hemp seeds instead of the flashy strains they marketed. As it is now they can sell you pebbles in place of seeds and there's not much you can do. They want to claim thc or cbd percentages or terpenes or effects or it being viroid free. They should be held accountable for such claims and have to prove that certain percentages of said seeds will produce that outcome. They can currently claim anything they want.

xtsho said:

You can provision a VPS, setup a website, and start selling seeds from that. The chance of any legal repercussions are minimal. If you claim the income and pay taxes on it then you're 99.9% going to be good to go as the main thing you have to worry about is the IRS and failure to pay taxes. $30 a month to host the website and a few hours to set it up if you have just a rudimentary knowledge of putting up a website. Then hype everything on Instagram, spam the forums, etc... The most difficult part is is going to be accepting payments which is why many US outfits only accept cash.

There is no regulation on any claims you make and the chances of any legal action against you are next to none. Pay your taxes and you will be fine.

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Hire one of them "click farms" in India and you can become like Berner/cookies in no time.

Paying too much for seeds completely offsets my entire initial goal, which is to save as much and/or spend as little money as possible during the entire grow process.

Generally speaking, I'd like to be below 10/seed or in the 20-30/clone neighborhood. Anything above that, i just feel like I'm paying for "hype".

slacker140 said:

Seems reasonable to me if there was some recourse for like when a company sells you hemp seeds instead of the flashy strains they marketed. As it is now they can sell you pebbles in place of seeds and there's not much you can do. They want to claim thc or cbd percentages or terpenes or effects or it being viroid free. They should be held accountable for such claims and have to prove that certain percentages of said seeds will produce that outcome. They can currently claim anything they want.

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Game this out for me... I buy Grape Bubble Banana from breeder X who says it smells just like Grape Hubba Bubba. Me, the closet grower, grows mite-infested underferted garbage and I then go in front of a judge and say "See, smells like hay right?"

boundybounderson said:

Game this out for me... I buy Grape Bubble Banana from breeder X who says it smells just like Grape Hubba Bubba. Me, the closet grower, grows mite-infested underferted garbage and I then go in front of a judge and say "See, smells like hay right?"

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This perception of smells like is not quantifiable and is subjective. However what is not is if a breeder claims to have certain THC, or cbd, or certain terpenes percentages or even claiming to be viroid free and the breeder gets his batch of seeds grown and tested under controlled approved conditions possibly even in house and submitted for testing. Then if percentages of plants come back testing positive for hlvd or not the required percentages come back testing for cbd levels they are denied approvals.

Take hops for example. I'm fairly certain that if you were a business and you purchased a quantity of hops seeds that claimed to be viroid free and you spent an entire season growing out said hops seeds to find out that your crop was ruined by a known viroid that was testable for because they did not really do testing then you would likely have recourse for your loss of investment based on false claims.

Most I ever paid was $120 for a grease monkey pack. Always grabbed single seeds like 3 packs of og raskal, dna, connoisseur, devils harvest, etc from attitude or herbies before getting us packs from seedvault, thedankteam or whatever it was and those first us banks.

I’m in the U.K. and we have a bit of a nightmare getting gear from America. Payments and shipping are both usually tricky!

so lately I’ve been seeing a lot of Spanish sites that accept debit card and also ship to the uk
The regular Dutch and English sites tend not to stock too many of the American boutique brands but it seems the Spanish scene is heavily influenced by the American market and they have a load of modern genetics for sale.

I guess I’d pay whatever it cost for something I’d allready tried and could justify. Usually buy packs in the £100-£200 range but would buy cheaper or more expensive if I really wanted the strain