Ebb & Flow Journal
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fadrian
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16 days into flowering:
theyre pretty much all around 2'-6" and looking lovely. however, heat may be an issue. there is only about 12"-14" of clearance between the top of the plants and the 1000w HPS. so far, theyre still growing nicely i just hope they stop soon.
they usually stop growing when they transition to making buds, right?
theyre pretty much all around 2'-6" and looking lovely. however, heat may be an issue. there is only about 12"-14" of clearance between the top of the plants and the 1000w HPS. so far, theyre still growing nicely i just hope they stop soon.
they usually stop growing when they transition to making buds, right?
nongreenthumb
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they roughly tripple in height once you start flowering
fadrian
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yea when lights are on its usually between 75-85 sometimes low 90's if its a hot day.
today i cut about 20 or so clones from the lower sections of my plants.
i used the water cup clone method where i cut the stem at a 45 degree angle, dip it into a non-transparent cup of water and let it sit until it develops roots.
theres just one thing - the post said not to put them in direct sunlight or artificial light (while theyre growing roots). i cant keep them in a window sill like the post recommended so i have them about a foot away from a fixture with 2-40w cool white flourecent tubes.
anyone thats cloned before - think this is okay?
today i cut about 20 or so clones from the lower sections of my plants.
i used the water cup clone method where i cut the stem at a 45 degree angle, dip it into a non-transparent cup of water and let it sit until it develops roots.
theres just one thing - the post said not to put them in direct sunlight or artificial light (while theyre growing roots). i cant keep them in a window sill like the post recommended so i have them about a foot away from a fixture with 2-40w cool white flourecent tubes.
anyone thats cloned before - think this is okay?
littleherb
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just read your journal and its just like my set-up with out the tent.
what do you run your PH at and do you adjust with ph down? with the water before adding nutes i'm in the second week of flowering and having trouble with my plants. ph is at 6.8- 7.0 is this too high?
by the way i have a 400 watt hps instead of the 1000 watt.
what do you run your PH at and do you adjust with ph down? with the water before adding nutes i'm in the second week of flowering and having trouble with my plants. ph is at 6.8- 7.0 is this too high?
by the way i have a 400 watt hps instead of the 1000 watt.
fadrian
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tlucas - glad to hear things are lookin good. keep up the good work, if u have any questions refer to this journal, my plants are still lookin healthy.
littleherb - your ph is too high. for a hydro system ph should be a little lower than with soil. my nutrient chart for advanced nutrients line runs optimal at around 5.7 ph. i usually put all my nutrients in the water mix it and check the ph. if it is too high (which it usually is) i add ph down. try to keep your ph around or a little bit under 6.0, theyll start looking healthier. good luck.
littleherb - your ph is too high. for a hydro system ph should be a little lower than with soil. my nutrient chart for advanced nutrients line runs optimal at around 5.7 ph. i usually put all my nutrients in the water mix it and check the ph. if it is too high (which it usually is) i add ph down. try to keep your ph around or a little bit under 6.0, theyll start looking healthier. good luck.
littleherb
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Thanks alot FilthyFletch just gave me the same advice and everything has been changed to correct the problem, now i have to wait to see if they recover. I purchased Ph down.
I watched a video and used it as my base but didnt realize that hydro and soil were so different.
thanks
I watched a video and used it as my base but didnt realize that hydro and soil were so different.
thanks
fadrian
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25 days into flowering, 46 days total:
buds are fattening up
plants kept growing so i had to take the reflector out and build a makeshift one so i can raise the bulb. one of the plants was turning yellow at the top a few days ago but now its back to normal since the light was raised.
im thinkin about adding molassas to the res today, heard it might make the taste smoother.
lemme know what u guys think.
buds are fattening up
plants kept growing so i had to take the reflector out and build a makeshift one so i can raise the bulb. one of the plants was turning yellow at the top a few days ago but now its back to normal since the light was raised.
im thinkin about adding molassas to the res today, heard it might make the taste smoother.
lemme know what u guys think.
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The solution to your temp control problem is (wait for it) a thermostat! 
Your hydro shop should have ready-made units that you can just plug in and hang at plant height. If they don't or if you're feelin' cheap, you can convert an old waterbed thermostat, but you'll need to add a relay to swap the logic so it will turn things on when the temp setpoint is reached instead of turning things off. Let me know if you need that wiring diagram and I'll draw it.
To do clones reliably, you'll need a small clone box with light and a heat mat. Thermostatic control for the clonebox fan is a good thing, but not essential, unless ambient air temps are very low and the box gets too cool to give you strikes in 7-10 days. 40mm rockwool cubes are a good size for cloning. Use rooting powder instead of gels. Gels wash off too easily when watering- powders form a paste which stays put better. Gels also can support pathogen growth if stems are dipped in the main container of gel instead of a small amount portioned off, used for a batch of clones and any excess discarded.
You'll want to establish another, smaller grow tent to maintain a few mother plants. Part of the reason your clones didn't go so well is because you did your cuttings from a plant which had been in flower for a couple of weeks. Call yourself lucky for getting one to go. It'll be a lot easier when you get cuts from a healthy mum plant in full veg mode.
I think you've discovered that you vegged a bit long, resulting in plants taller than you needed and could have pruned back lower branching a lot more a lot earlier. I think you'll have better performance in your limited space using SoG instead of FIM, the latter which results in fairly large, bushy plants- not ideal for indoor growing, unless you must keep plant numbers low. SoG ops grow many more but much smaller plants, effectively only growing the top cola. SoG is a technique which better suits limited space and indoor lighting and ventilation limitations.
Did you get a nutrient meter yet? If not, spend the bucks on a Truncheon. Has all common scales like EC, CF & PPM, no moving parts, no digital display to fail and is totally waterproof. You'll only buy one Truncheon. Mine is now 7 years old and goes through a set of batteries once a year.
Your hydro shop should have ready-made units that you can just plug in and hang at plant height. If they don't or if you're feelin' cheap, you can convert an old waterbed thermostat, but you'll need to add a relay to swap the logic so it will turn things on when the temp setpoint is reached instead of turning things off. Let me know if you need that wiring diagram and I'll draw it.
To do clones reliably, you'll need a small clone box with light and a heat mat. Thermostatic control for the clonebox fan is a good thing, but not essential, unless ambient air temps are very low and the box gets too cool to give you strikes in 7-10 days. 40mm rockwool cubes are a good size for cloning. Use rooting powder instead of gels. Gels wash off too easily when watering- powders form a paste which stays put better. Gels also can support pathogen growth if stems are dipped in the main container of gel instead of a small amount portioned off, used for a batch of clones and any excess discarded.
You'll want to establish another, smaller grow tent to maintain a few mother plants. Part of the reason your clones didn't go so well is because you did your cuttings from a plant which had been in flower for a couple of weeks. Call yourself lucky for getting one to go. It'll be a lot easier when you get cuts from a healthy mum plant in full veg mode.
I think you've discovered that you vegged a bit long, resulting in plants taller than you needed and could have pruned back lower branching a lot more a lot earlier. I think you'll have better performance in your limited space using SoG instead of FIM, the latter which results in fairly large, bushy plants- not ideal for indoor growing, unless you must keep plant numbers low. SoG ops grow many more but much smaller plants, effectively only growing the top cola. SoG is a technique which better suits limited space and indoor lighting and ventilation limitations.
Did you get a nutrient meter yet? If not, spend the bucks on a Truncheon. Has all common scales like EC, CF & PPM, no moving parts, no digital display to fail and is totally waterproof. You'll only buy one Truncheon. Mine is now 7 years old and goes through a set of batteries once a year.