CLOSETGROWTH
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30 to 40 grams? Thats only a hair bit over an ounce... LOL!
ebb & flow buckets vs. large tub DWC - growing trees
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30 to 40 grams? Thats only a hair bit over an ounce... LOL!
plutomoney
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I agree. The plants tell you when they are done and ready. And as for the guys friend he is full of MAJOR BS. There is no plant that will jump from 3oz yield to 1.5 to 2lb yeild simply for waiting an extra 14 days ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.
He said today the 1.5- 2 pounds is what he can get outside, inside he can get around a pound per plant and he has anywhere from 6-10 plants per 1000w
I just got finished talk to my friend and he said its a little more than waiting 2 weeks i may miss something but he said get the plants to about 18-20" the flower them and he said the extra 2 weeks go to a 9/15 flower. The extra 2 weeks is after the bottom bud hair turn red. Ohh he said you have to crank up the CO2 also. He also said if anyone doesnt believe him there next crop up leave one plant in there 2 weeks longer and see if it doesnt at least double in dry weight compared to the other plants. i dont know to much about growing except from what i learned from him and a couple of sites. He is putting out some weight and I dont know if its some other tricks he doing but hearing 3-4 zips to about a pound pound and a half difference I want to get more weight.
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
No way man he's still full of shit. Almost nobody gets over 2.5lbs per 1kw light. It doesn't matter how many plants or how big or how much co2 or anything, there's always room for improvement, some systems with multiple vertical lights can get more, but your friend isn't a miracle worker who can yield 4x the rest of the world.
plutomoney
Member
its official i just help my friend trim his trees and he had strings around these monsters well over 2 pounds a plant I will get back here in a week to let ya know the dry weight
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Bring all the details of the system and lighting layout too please, we need the full scoop. A pic would be nice, and strain.
plutomoney
Member
Dont have any pics but it was 2 1000w and 200w LEDs 1000w and a 100w LED over 6 and 5 plants the strain was a Big bud x ak-47. Aero hydroponic system used the lucas formula. Thats what I got now.
plutomoney
Member
Its a circle areo system he uses co2 at 2000 ppm. I think the advantage he has is he vegs until they are about 2-2 1/2 feet. outside of vegging for 2 months his set up is like anyone elses i seen on here and at there houses. This is the first time he used LEDs and says that they helped alot. and they were topped at 2 colas Ill get back here when I get that dry weight
plutomoney
Member
the plants go like this all in grams
1 978
2 1192
3 1009
4 1618
5 1452
6 1132
7 1907
8 1293
9 892
10 250
11 unknown was blazed up as it dried
1 978
2 1192
3 1009
4 1618
5 1452
6 1132
7 1907
8 1293
9 892
10 250
11 unknown was blazed up as it dried
plutomoney
Member
It was a 2 aeroponic part DWC system the res was kiddie pools the way he did res changes wasa spare kiddie pools. They were vegged for 6 weeks. Lucas formula on Gh nutes. The Leds he says helped with a bigger yield. there was some T5ho in there and it was more of bottom lighting. He used the co2 at like 2000ppm to me it looked like a real simple set up no bells and whistles. I will gladly forward any questions to him.
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Huh, someone correct my math but I get a total of 11,723 grams and google says that's
25.844791 POUNDS
from under 3300 watts you say?
WORLD RECORD
Or
Something doesn't add up.
I think I suck at math though and google is probably fucking with me.
25.844791 POUNDS
from under 3300 watts you say?
WORLD RECORD
Or
Something doesn't add up.
I think I suck at math though and google is probably fucking with me.
fatman7574
New Member
Lets see: The largest plant is (1618 grams)/(28 grams/ounce)/(16 ounce/pound)= 3.61 pounds. Right. In doors quality bud. I haih ghly doubt it. Perahps before dryng and curing. Nearly if not all seed growers exagerate the amount of average ib ndoor nd out door average yield. The highest of the vaerage indoorhigher yilders is at tops 650 grams per square meter. 500 to 550 is typical for the high yielders. One squre meter is equal to 10.76 square feet. With a claim of 1618 per plant that is 2.94 times what seed growers advertise as average for an indoor grow under intense lighting with 60 to 70 watts per square foot. The claimed yield for just that single plant by their given estimates would require 31.46 feet of growing area. That is a little over 5.5 ' by 5.5 '. So i am not buying those yield quotes.
Dudes I have been growing mj indoors hydroponically under lights for i over 30 yeas and I can honestly say the most hydroponically under yield method of growing is SOG not growing big trees indoors. You need to look at time and kilo watts per hour, not the amount of yields per way tt of lighting run. Big trees takeup to much space with a great deal of yields providing low yields. Large trees require much more intense lighting (higher wattage so as to penetrate the foliage and to provide high PAR to all of the plant. Any grower who uses vertical lighting without reflectors is using the light less efficiently unless he has plants completely surrounding the lights. Plus the light is much less intense so less effective at distance without a reflector.
Most growers grow at too low of temperatures and use sad growing methods where they have low DO issues and where they grow with low temp nutes and do not heat the plants at night so the plants are cold every day when the intense lights and full strength nutes are delivered. Not smart.
There is a lot of bull shitting, half truths and deception in this thread. IE who cares if the person grows a tall tree if it takes three times the kilo watts per gram to produce and take twice as long to grow to finish. The two SOG's under optimal conditions will grow more bud in the same amount of time at a much lower production cost. And the results are indefinitely repeatable from clones.
I grow very fast growing Indica SOG at hot temps, very large tube 50 to 60 micron misted aero with cyclic timing and drain to waste. I have all the bells and whistles: dehumidification, air conditioning, ppm meter controlled CO2 and night time temperature and humidity controls as well. I only get a consistent 700 to 750 grams per square meter with 6 weeks of budding. I use half 6500 K halides and half HPS. My nutrients are warm so the uptakes is always optimal as there is no stress caused by variance. My nutrients are self formulated based upon tissue sample analysis and years of testing nutrients drained to waste in medium pressure aero systems so as to determine daily nutrient uptakes. The nutrients are applied as a sprayed mist at optimal size which assures nutrient water that is always fully saturated with DO.
My nutrient water is drain to waste so the nutrient availability is never off as they nutes are always balanced, and the pH always consistent. I only average 1.56 grams per watt of lighting and that is only possible because I use 250 watt lights that are water cooled and under 2' by 3' parabolic reflectors of specular aluminum that cover the planted areas edges to edge so I obtain a PAR equal to using higher intensity lighting that is not as evenly distributed and hanging a foot above the plant canopy (IE larger wattage bulbs).
The 250 watt lights are an average of only 3 inches above the plant canopy and the high PAR only requires about 42 watts per square foot due to the close hang reflectors that re full coverage. Total cost of production is about 40 cents per gram including equipment costs depreciated over one year.
I really doubt that there are many indoor systems methods performance when it comes down to over all yields at a cost per gram for production. And that is with dark amber crystals at harvest and not weighing any small lower buds.
Dudes I have been growing mj indoors hydroponically under lights for i over 30 yeas and I can honestly say the most hydroponically under yield method of growing is SOG not growing big trees indoors. You need to look at time and kilo watts per hour, not the amount of yields per way tt of lighting run. Big trees takeup to much space with a great deal of yields providing low yields. Large trees require much more intense lighting (higher wattage so as to penetrate the foliage and to provide high PAR to all of the plant. Any grower who uses vertical lighting without reflectors is using the light less efficiently unless he has plants completely surrounding the lights. Plus the light is much less intense so less effective at distance without a reflector.
Most growers grow at too low of temperatures and use sad growing methods where they have low DO issues and where they grow with low temp nutes and do not heat the plants at night so the plants are cold every day when the intense lights and full strength nutes are delivered. Not smart.
There is a lot of bull shitting, half truths and deception in this thread. IE who cares if the person grows a tall tree if it takes three times the kilo watts per gram to produce and take twice as long to grow to finish. The two SOG's under optimal conditions will grow more bud in the same amount of time at a much lower production cost. And the results are indefinitely repeatable from clones.
I grow very fast growing Indica SOG at hot temps, very large tube 50 to 60 micron misted aero with cyclic timing and drain to waste. I have all the bells and whistles: dehumidification, air conditioning, ppm meter controlled CO2 and night time temperature and humidity controls as well. I only get a consistent 700 to 750 grams per square meter with 6 weeks of budding. I use half 6500 K halides and half HPS. My nutrients are warm so the uptakes is always optimal as there is no stress caused by variance. My nutrients are self formulated based upon tissue sample analysis and years of testing nutrients drained to waste in medium pressure aero systems so as to determine daily nutrient uptakes. The nutrients are applied as a sprayed mist at optimal size which assures nutrient water that is always fully saturated with DO.
My nutrient water is drain to waste so the nutrient availability is never off as they nutes are always balanced, and the pH always consistent. I only average 1.56 grams per watt of lighting and that is only possible because I use 250 watt lights that are water cooled and under 2' by 3' parabolic reflectors of specular aluminum that cover the planted areas edges to edge so I obtain a PAR equal to using higher intensity lighting that is not as evenly distributed and hanging a foot above the plant canopy (IE larger wattage bulbs).
The 250 watt lights are an average of only 3 inches above the plant canopy and the high PAR only requires about 42 watts per square foot due to the close hang reflectors that re full coverage. Total cost of production is about 40 cents per gram including equipment costs depreciated over one year.
I really doubt that there are many indoor systems methods performance when it comes down to over all yields at a cost per gram for production. And that is with dark amber crystals at harvest and not weighing any small lower buds.
fatman7574
New Member
Your calculations are not off there is just a lot of bull shit being spread by those making that claim. Maybe they were unaware that you are supplose to dry and curethe bud before stating a yield rather than weighing wet uncured and unmanicured buds as the yield. Maybe they weighed the entire wet plants at harvest. That is the figure police usually quote to the newspapers and TV news stations fora yield.Huh, someone correct my math but I get a total of 11,723 grams and google says that's
25.844791 POUNDS
from under 3300 watts you say?
WORLD RECORD
Or
Something doesn't add up.
I think I suck at math though and google is probably fucking with me.
jonnypotseed
Member
bullshit...
fatman7574
New Member
My plants are admittedly small. They only average a dry 19 grams each. But at 4 per square foot and an average of just over 16 grams per plant that means 700 grams per square meter. Dialed in a bit better I think 750 grams per square meter with 6 weeks of budding can be achieved. Likely there are more productive strains but the one I am growing produces a good single cola without a lot of small buds in SOG with no pruning required.
Soil since 1981, and NOPE I NEVER EVER have seen anything produce like this guy is saying. I also SOG because it is the best way for me to provide for myself. Not even grows outside make that much weight in this little of a space, generally speaking!
Im sure a person or two have done it, maybe...
On a side note, there should be a forum for us old timers in the 25-30 yr club!!
Im no guru, but Im coming upon the 30 year mark as well. If you count my outdoor grows its been almost 35 yrs. I had a 5 year run with hydro, but I switched back in '00 for taste/personal preferences to organic.
I LOL'd hard when I read this stuff. Some people just really have no idea!
hahahhahaha, and maybe the dirt/potter too!
Even if wet = 25lbs, there is no one on the planet pulling 8lbs(estimated dry) on this setup. NOPE NO WAY!!!
researchkitty
Well-Known Member
2 plants per 1kW of light is pretty weak. Not only that but it doesnt even form a square configuration, it'll be two rectangles of plants under a light. 
The MINIMUM I would do for a 1kW lamp is 4 plants per light. You'll want to veg em for probably about 4-5 weeks each as well to get the right canopy. I'd stick to E&F as well, it'll give you the height without worrying about the tray.
Good luck!
The MINIMUM I would do for a 1kW lamp is 4 plants per light. You'll want to veg em for probably about 4-5 weeks each as well to get the right canopy. I'd stick to E&F as well, it'll give you the height without worrying about the tray.
Good luck!
