Ebb and grow (4x super critical, 1x ak47, 7x bubba kush)

a quick run-through of cloning today with some pics, mothers are getting a bit out of control and very tall so i had to cut every top down and used them for my clones. took 30 large clones today and also cut allot of extra from the moms just to put them in check

im going to edit this post with a little more detail

this is 2 shots of the moms before trimming


this is a top i selected to be cut/cloned. nice and thick.

before i trim a few leaves off

after the trim, i dont cut a whole lot off.

then i split the stem down about 1-1 1/2"

after dipping it in some clonex gel pop it right into a rapid rooter

and finally a shot of the moms after the session

What kind of hormone do you use for your clones? Just Clone-x or no?

drgreentm said:

yup its all bottom feed, the buckets flood 3x a day with lights on and 1x at night, the veg tent stays rocking 24/7, i have 2 flood trays one that vegges clones and the other to keep moms going in both trays are 2x4 and the tent is a 4x8. glad to have you along.

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Thanks for the explaination Dr GT. I've been designing a top feed system, bottom feed seems ridiclously easy. (With no controller.) I planned to use Grodan/Rockwool... I've sowed seeds in that, but never used hydroton like I see you have. In your experience, does the water leech up enough in your bottom feed system? My friend like's his E&G top fed, bottom out - he uses a CAP controller. I don't see too big of an issue with bottom feed, however it might require more length between feedings. I think he squeezes 4 in during the light cycle alone.

Look forward to chating. I would like to mix the two techniques.

Ladies look great, wonderful update.

Bud

Dam everything looks real nice drgreentm !!

@Buddy232; I use a top feed, bottom drain system that is homemade. With no control bucket, gravity drain back. The thing is if you don't go with a control bucket you will still need a precision timer. Which is still cheaper then a control bucket. It Sounds like your on the rite track though.

Excellent Garden and setup drgreentm. Nice and sterile looking environments.

Thanks for reading my posts MY. I appreciate it.

What if you were working with two pumps, two simple timers and two "reservoirs". Timer #1 could signal the sump pump in "Reservoir 1" to feed... Eventually all the growing buckets, and also as a result, "Reservoir 2" will fill to a desiered level. When Timer #2 goes off, it signals the sump pump in "Reservoir 2" which will drain the water from there, and also the rest of the grow buckets (back into "Reservoir 1".) I'm working on a good diagram but I've only found ONE person who get's me thus far. Maybe we could chat by PM if your interested.


The Dr's garden is amazing isn't it. I'm a nut for cleanlieness, I wish he could come set my stuff up!

machnak said:

What kind of hormone do you use for your clones? Just Clone-x or no?

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yup just give them a dip in clonex gel and pop them into a rapid rooter, i have found this to be the simplest and most dependable way of cloning for me.

Buddy232 said:

Thanks for the explaination Dr GT. I've been designing a top feed system, bottom feed seems ridiclously easy. (With no controller.) I planned to use Grodan/Rockwool... I've sowed seeds in that, but never used hydroton like I see you have. In your experience, does the water leech up enough in your bottom feed system? My friend like's his E&G top fed, bottom out - he uses a CAP controller. I don't see too big of an issue with bottom feed, however it might require more length between feedings. I think he squeezes 4 in during the light cycle alone.

Look forward to chating. I would like to mix the two techniques.

Ladies look great, wonderful update.

Bud

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this system is quite easy to convert to a top feed and i have considered it the past few runs because i ran into some problems with flood height. the controller has to be lower than the pots or the pots dont drain completely and this causes serious problems when the roots grow into the lower buckets. but when i drop the control bucket down below the pots they dont flood as high, this became a problem when i changed out my 4x4x4 RW cubes in veg for 4x4x2 cubes, i had to top feed them anyway for a week. i may end up taking this route eventually. im looking foreward to chatting as well, i like brainstorming on new idea's and want to eventually grow every possible way hydroponically.

MYWhat? said:

Dam everything looks real nice drgreentm !!

@Buddy232; I use a top feed, bottom drain system that is homemade. With no control bucket, gravity drain back. The thing is if you don't go with a control bucket you will still need a precision timer. Which is still cheaper then a control bucket. It Sounds like your on the rite track though.

Excellent Garden and setup drgreentm. Nice and sterile looking environments.

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thanks for the kind words mywhat, its great to have positive feedback on hard work.

Nice plants man.

Thank you for the cloning detail. So this pass you just did all the tops? You could also do the tops of the side branching?

What are those boxes you got your clones in?

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firsttimeARE said:

Nice plants man.

Thank you for the cloning detail. So this pass you just did all the tops? You could also do the tops of the side branching?

What are those boxes you got your clones in?

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thanks man, ya i did all the tops this time you can really take them from anywhere, i chose tops just because the needed to be cut down anyway but i also cut allot more off of the lower/sides that wasnt even used for cloning material, i use rapid rooters rather than rockwool for cloning because they dont retain allot of water making it allot less temperamental than RW, then i just put them in a humidome until they are rooted.

glad to have you along.

drgreentm said:

this system is quite easy to convert to a top feed and i have considered it the past few runs because i ran into some problems with flood height. the controller has to be lower than the pots or the pots dont drain completely and this causes serious problems when the roots grow into the lower buckets. but when i drop the control bucket down below the pots they dont flood as high, this became a problem when i changed out my 4x4x4 RW cubes in veg for 4x4x2 cubes, i had to top feed them anyway for a week. i may end up taking this route eventually. im looking foreward to chatting as well, i like brainstorming on new idea's and want to eventually grow every possible way hydroponically.

thanks for the kind words mywhat, its great to have positive feedback on hard work.

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Ah yes, so you do have the occassional issues of the water not leeching all the way up. Isn't there more or less absorbant grodan? That might help your case. (I could be wrong.) I've read about the bottom bucket not fully draining problem as well.

My friend has run E&G (top feed, bottom out) for many rounds and we brain stormed my idea a couple weeks ago. With some fine tuning we are 99% sure we can get it to work with using a $250 controller. I like your flood table idea for vegging however if you used a these controllers and more than one of them - I'm sure we can eliminate them!!! Maybe even eliminate the problems.

Buddy232 said:

Ah yes, so you do have the occassional issues of the water not leeching all the way up. Isn't there more or less absorbant grodan? That might help your case. (I could be wrong.) I've read about the bottom bucket not fully draining problem as well.

My friend has run E&G (top feed, bottom out) for many rounds and we brain stormed my idea a couple weeks ago. With some fine tuning we are 99% sure we can get it to work with using a $250 controller. I like your flood table idea for vegging however if you used a these controllers and more than one of them - I'm sure we can eliminate them!!! Maybe even eliminate the problems.

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i have thought about swapping my hydroton for a more wickable medium but i just dont like how much liquid RW/growdan croutons hold and 02 capable of getting to the roots. the problem was a first and had allot to do with moving all the buckets and system into the now room but with a top feed system it would eliminate the possibility all together. i like the precision the controller gives with float switches and i have actually built one for a friend quite easily for cheap, all i would do if converted to a top feed is set my controller on constant drain cycle and run the pump in the res off of a separate timer so that when the buckets are feeding the water would collect back in the controller, trip the float switch and drain all buckets back to the res. the great thing about it is that the pump will only kick on if the float is tripped meaning there will always be water to be sucked up so the pump would never run dry

drgreentm said:

the new toy gotta go to the range today and sight it in nice and tight lol.

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oooh magpul, pretty guchii

Dam drg looking good still here in kansas
Trying to kill this monster deer lol not looking
Good ugg. I see your starting a gun colection?
If you looking to get another ar look into POF
Best you can buy and has the upper and forward
Grip is one peace with build in gas piston system.
That means 100% zero carbon build up super clean.
Im a bit of a gun nut with a soft spot for AR platforms!

hellraizer30 said:

Dam drg looking good still here in kansas
Trying to kill this monster deer lol not looking
Good ugg. I see your starting a gun colection?
If you looking to get another ar look into POF
Best you can buy and has the upper and forward
Grip is one peace with build in gas piston system.
That means 100% zero carbon build up super clean.
Im a bit of a gun nut with a soft spot for AR platforms!

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POF?! Pakistani ordinance factory?! I run either magpul or larue, my ar gear comes from colorado or texas.

but I'm an odd ball and run a 12" ar-22lr and a 16" 6.8spc with an AAC can.. nothing standard..


hope you get yourself that classic buck, hell at least go get a hog if you have too

hellraizer30 said:

Dam drg looking good still here in kansas
Trying to kill this monster deer lol not looking
Good ugg. I see your starting a gun colection?
If you looking to get another ar look into POF
Best you can buy and has the upper and forward
Grip is one peace with build in gas piston system.
That means 100% zero carbon build up super clean.
Im a bit of a gun nut with a soft spot for AR platforms!

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whats up buddy, that buck is still toying with you lol. POF is top notch stuff and the price tag shows it but worth every penny, i have actually been looking at the POF P308 that runs about 3k but i do love how the uppers are one solid piece. also they go by the name of "hogan". i actually have my sights set on a rem model 700 .308 next hopefully within the next few weeks. i love ARs mine is a DPMS recon with a 1-9 barrel i just put a "ok" scope on it 3-9x42 ncstar so i can take it varmint hunting (coyotes/rabbits) whats your take on spikes tactical? my buddy just picked one up and it is super light and looks pretty mean lol.

Dont know about spikes il look into it! My list is as follows
1 dpms lr 308 sass
1 dpms lr 308 carbine
1 m16 a1 and a a12 models there colt
Ar-15 a2 colt
Ar 15 preditor. By stag
And my baby ar 15 5.56 wilson arms

Most my ar-s have eotech and cco sight system

And the pride of the show is my 98bravo
Barret its build like a AR but shoots 338 lapua.

this is the one my other buddy just got. DPMS mini sass 5.56. sounds like you have quite the arsenal lol please tell me you are shouldering that 338 as we speak lol. the dude who owns this one wants a 338 savage tactile next.

I have a spikes. they are great. I have a spikes in the 22lr (11.5" barrel), I have a bushmaster in the 5.56 and a larue in the 6.8 with a ACC can. Im going to get either another Larue or a KAC in the 308.

my avatar is a row of supressors under X-ray, i'm a fan of guns too..

my new fav has been the saiga 12

drgreentm said:

this is the one my other buddy just got. DPMS mini sass 5.56. sounds like you have quite the arsenal lol please tell me you are shouldering that 338 as we speak lol. the dude who owns this one wants a 338 savage tactile next.

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Na im hunting with a sako 7mm finn light

Nice drgreentm
Those AR's are a real nice gun and so many configurations to them.
I would also like to get a FN-fall. Possibly a DSA, FN-scar or paratrooper (FAL 50.63) maybe even the British L1A1. So many to choose from.

drgreentm said:

i use ratchet hangers and a piece of 1" electrical rigid conduit to slide through the lights i use a third ratchet hanger in the middle of the conduit to keep it from sagging.

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thanks your set up looks very clean