Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

homebrewer said:

What product(s) are you using exactly? I don't know anyone who only uses a single dry nutrient.

But by your numbers, an entire 9 week flowering cycle using your single bag of dry plant food in my 15 gallon res would cost $3.72 at 1.0 EC.

DG's Foliage Pro, using your 5 gallon numbers, for an entire 9 week flowering cycle in my 15 gallon res costs $6.60 at 1.0 EC.

So like I said, the difference is the cost of a Big Mac per res.

Now obviously the cost difference widens as the size and number of reservoirs increases but I'm still OK paying to not deal with dusty, incomplete dry foods that don't mix very well. Not to mention liquid foods are plug and play whether you're in containers or true hydro. Versatile and easy to use, baby! And pH stable as well.

If you're approaching this 'cost of fertilizer' topic from the perspective of a commercial warehouse grower then I'd say 'no shit' dry foods are cheaper on that scale. Those folks are producing B+ quality at best though.

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I cant speak on any of this as its your opinion mainly. In your 15 gal res your numbers work

homebrewer said:

What product(s) are you using exactly? I don't know anyone who only uses a single dry nutrient.

But by your numbers, an entire 9 week flowering cycle using your single bag of dry plant food in my 15 gallon res would cost $3.72 at 1.0 EC.

DG's Foliage Pro, using your 5 gallon numbers, for an entire 9 week flowering cycle in my 15 gallon res costs $6.60 at 1.0 EC.

So like I said, the difference is the cost of a Big Mac per res.

Now obviously the cost difference widens as the size and number of reservoirs increases but I'm still OK paying to not deal with dusty, incomplete dry foods that don't mix very well. Not to mention liquid foods are plug and play whether you're in containers or true hydro. Versatile and easy to use, baby! And pH stable as well.

If you're approaching this 'cost of fertilizer' topic from the perspective of a commercial warehouse grower then I'd say 'no shit' dry foods are cheaper on that scale. Those folks are producing B+ quality at best though.

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Im sure there are a lot of things you dont know in this world. Have you researched or used megacrop? Until you do you would not understand using a single dry nutrient.

In your 15 gal res your amount of fertilizer used is minuscule and because of that your ok leaving money on the table. However, when your going through 500 gallons every 10 days it adds up quickly and your big mac analogy only applies to you and your scale. Your calculation doesnt include vegging for 2 months nor seedling rooms. So I am assuming now but it sounds like you have a product for veg and another for flower. I use 1 across the board with great results. The fact you stated FP cant be used in flower leaves me wondering.

My salts are dusty however more complete in my opinion AND have more additives included and stilll comes out cheaper for any level of grower.

Once again your grading of commercial growers or larger scale ops is only your opinion so i wont debate that.

Back to my original point dynagro products are good however there are other products on the market that are cheaper and better period. Better being the % of elements provided at the cost your paying per gram/ml. Because MC and Jacks have higher element %s we can use less of the product furthering our savings. Case in point dynagrow has barely 2% Mg and less than 1% Sulfur where MC and jacks have 4 times as much. Dyna gro Calcium % is a joke in comparison to any product I have named. Because Nitrogen is readily available we dont run the plants hot and the foliar we spray helps in nutrient uptake.

kaoss_11 said:

I cant speak on any of this as its your opinion mainly. In your 15 gal res your numbers work



Im sure there are a lot of things you dont know in this world. Have you researched or used megacrop? Until you do you would not understand using a single dry nutrient.

In your 15 gal res your amount of fertilizer used is minuscule and because of that your ok leaving money on the table. However, when your going through 500 gallons every 10 days it adds up quickly and your big mac analogy only applies to you and your scale. Your calculation doesnt include vegging for 2 months nor seedling rooms. So I am assuming now but it sounds like you have a product for veg and another for flower. I use 1 across the board with great results. The fact you stated FP cant be used in flower leaves me wondering.

My salts are dusty however more complete in my opinion AND have more additives included and stilll comes out cheaper for any level of grower.

Once again your grading of commercial growers or larger scale ops is only your opinion so i wont debate that.

Back to my original point dynagro products are good however there are other products on the market that are cheaper and better period. Better being the % of elements provided at the cost your paying per gram/ml. Because MC and Jacks have higher element %s we can use less of the product furthering our savings. Case in point dynagrow has barely 2% Mg and less than 1% Sulfur where MC and jacks have 4 times as much. Dyna gro Calcium % is a joke in comparison to any product I have named. Because Nitrogen is readily available we dont run the plants hot and the foliar we spray helps in nutrient uptake.

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Commercial grows produce bunk weed, period. I don't care what your costs are, your weed cannot compete with boutique growers and that's what my circle is focused on - producing the best herb possible.

I'm familiar with MC, I almost ordered a free bag but a guy I know who was testing it didn't like the mix of 'sand and the balls' - to quote him. He went back to DG. And at 9.7-5.5-14, that's fairly solid for container gardening but less than ideal for hydro, in my experience.

Also, if you'd like to shill your dry food, you're in the wrong place. This is the Grow Journal section.

homebrewer said:

Commercial grows produce bunk weed, period. I don't care what your costs are, your weed cannot compete with boutique growers and that's what my circle is focused on - producing the best herb possible.

I'm familiar with MC, I almost ordered a free bag but a guy I know who was testing it didn't like the mix of 'sand and the balls' - to quote him. He went back to DG. And at 9.7-5.5-14, that's fairly solid for container gardening but less than ideal for hydro, in my experience.

Also, if you'd like to shill your dry food, you're in the wrong place. This is the Grow Journal section.

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Once again I wont argue your opinion on whos better. THC & CBD numbers are whatever they are regardless. All organic IPM program, no residuals, chemicals or toxins in any of our products. Test results to back my claims. This discussion is nor ever was about what your circle of buddies do or believe.

Unless you have personally ran a product then its hearsay as far as Im concerned. First person experience is what matters not the homies uncles baby mommas little brothers third cousin down at the hydro store. Jacks is recognized in the fertilizer industry and have a superb reputation in the community. Their ratio for jacks hydroponic is 20-12-26 and MC uses 9.7-5.5-14. Their ratios are a difference of Milligrams so how is either less than ideal for hydro when Jacks product is called Jacks Hydroponic. Straight from their website This formula was designed as a base foundation for hydroponic growing.
Please elaborate because I am confused on the point you made and I may learn something I didnt prior.

Shill - an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.

Nice try. Dont try to pull that bullshit. I am sharing information and my experience on dyna, jacks, and MC. There are better options and solutions thats all. I will let you be to your journal.

A RECIPE FOR HYDROPONIC SUCCESS

My research is usually scholarly publications and readings.

http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/hydroponic-recipes.pdf

kaoss_11 said:

Once again I wont argue your opinion on whos better. THC & CBD numbers are whatever they are regardless. All organic IPM program, no residuals, chemicals or toxins in any of our products. Test results to back my claims. This discussion is nor ever was about what your circle of buddies do or believe. .

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It's not an opinion. It's a fact that commercial growers cannot compete with boutique cannabis. Between the lack of cure, poor trimming, and careless handling, the end user gets B+ herb at best. Plus when was the last time any of you money-grubbing whores grew a 120 day sativa? Nah, it's bland hybrids at best for the masses. I get it, ya gotta pay the bills.

And this discussion was about fertilizer price and if you're running a commercial op why are you here? It's like a pro-brewer popping into a homebrewing forum and busting balls for not buying grain by that palate. I'd much rather have 2 gallons of liquid fertilizer sitting around than a half dozen bags of dusty dry salts that I have to measure out in different amounts based on whether I'm feeding promix or hydro plants.

And price isn't the end-all-be-all of fertilizer choice. Is it pH stable? Is it easy to use and complete? Is it versatile? A single bag of dry salts CANNOT excel in containers AND in hydro. It's either one or the other, or neither.

Unless you have personally ran a product then its hearsay as far as Im concerned. First person experience is what matters not the homies uncles baby mommas little brothers third cousin down at the hydro store. Jacks is recognized in the fertilizer industry and have a superb reputation in the community. Their ratio for jacks hydroponic is 20-12-26 and MC uses 9.7-5.5-14. Their ratios are a difference of Milligrams so how is either less than ideal for hydro when Jacks product is called Jacks Hydroponic. Straight from their website This formula was designed as a base foundation for hydroponic growing.
Please elaborate because I am confused on the point you made and I may learn something I didnt prior.

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Jacks is fine but I do not agree with that ratio. I've run something similar and it resulted in lots of leaf at the expense of yield.

Shill - an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.

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Nice try. Dont try to pull that bullshit. I am sharing information and my experience on dyna, jacks, and MC. There are better options and solutions thats all. I will let you be to your journal.

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Yes, shill. You claim to be a commercial grower but are trolling grow journals with MC bullshit? I'm flattered but you're in the wrong section, dude.

Just a guess but when things get this heated about a fertilizer must be time for a grow off thread!

Below is what my friend said about MC. I was going to order a sample for myself but it sounds like a pain to use. I've used liquid foods with roughly the same ratio and it's less than ideal for hydro. Solid for containers but who wants to weigh out dusty dry salts every time you've got to water your plants? Now if a dry food could be mixed into a super concentrated solution and be used a teaspoon or so at a time, now that's worth a look.


I tried that Mega Crop & I didn't like it. Me and I think it was Hank both had N deficiencies. Mega crop has plenty N just depends if you mix it right...they forget to tell you.

It has little balls and sand and you have to get the right mix of each they are diff nutes. I don't remember the tech saying the mix I would guess 50/50 balls and sand?The rep said you should mix like 5 gals + at a time he didn't recommend mixing 1 gal at a time.

I was mixing 1 gals & 1/2 gals the Stardawg in bloom was looking great the 1 in veg was lacking in N. I flushed it down to less than 50 ppm run off and fed DG grow twice and she looked great. I flushed the 1 in bloom as well and she is back on DG

I aint messing w mega crop any more.Really a 2 part mixed together. It grows good if you get the sand to balls mix right but I aint got time to fool w that.Lets see how much balls to sand do i have in this teaspoon?

homebrewer said:

Below is what my friend said about MC.

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pH stability was horrible for me. up and down and unpredictable. in well and RO water and a mix.

it does work great on my lawn.

homebrewer said:

Below is what my friend said about MC. I was going to order a sample for myself but it sounds like a pain to use. I've used liquid foods with roughly the same ratio and it's less than ideal for hydro. Solid for containers but who wants to weigh out dusty dry salts every time you've got to water your plants? Now if a dry food could be mixed into a super concentrated solution and be used a teaspoon or so at a time, now that's worth a look.


I tried that Mega Crop & I didn't like it. Me and I think it was Hank both had N deficiencies. Mega crop has plenty N just depends if you mix it right...they forget to tell you.

It has little balls and sand and you have to get the right mix of each they are diff nutes. I don't remember the tech saying the mix I would guess 50/50 balls and sand?The rep said you should mix like 5 gals + at a time he didn't recommend mixing 1 gal at a time.

I was mixing 1 gals & 1/2 gals the Stardawg in bloom was looking great the 1 in veg was lacking in N. I flushed it down to less than 50 ppm run off and fed DG grow twice and she looked great. I flushed the 1 in bloom as well and she is back on DG

I aint messing w mega crop any more.Really a 2 part mixed together. It grows good if you get the sand to balls mix right but I aint got time to fool w that.Lets see how much balls to sand do i have in this teaspoon?

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Gotta be the funniest ghetto shit I've ever read... No grow off required...

kaoss_11 said:

Human error on your part. if it worked on your lawn then...

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man, don't make yourself sound any stupider.

everybody knows lawn fertilizer is just about all N and from Urea aka Piss.

my medium varied, the pH stability was worst of any nute i've tried in hydro.

rkymtnman said:

man, don't make yourself sound any stupider.

everybody knows lawn fertilizer is just about all N and from Urea aka Piss.

my medium varied, the pH stability was worst of any nute i've tried in hydro.

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Im stupid? How so?

kaoss_11 said:

Im stupid? How so?

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why did you delete your post?
Human error on your part. if it worked on your lawn then...

isnt' that what you wrote? and then i explained why that comment was non-smart

rkymtnman said:

why did you delete your post?
Human error on your part. if it worked on your lawn then...

isnt' that what you wrote? and then i explained why that comment was non-smart

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I asked a mod to remove his last two posts - not because I don't like discussing this stuff, but because he's in the wrong section of the forum to sell his goods. If he wants to start his own thread in the nutrients section I'd happily join.

homebrewer said:

I asked a mod to remove his last two posts - not because I don't like discussing this stuff, but because he's in the wrong section of the forum to sell his goods. If he wants to start his own thread in the nutrients section I'd happily join.

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i didn't know he was a salesman for Mega. thought he was just a fan boy.

rkymtnman said:

i didn't know he was a salesman for Mega. thought he was just a fan boy.

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He might just be a fan, i don't know. I'd gladly discuss other plant foods here but when someone dismisses DG, calling it a ripoff or some other ignorant sh*t, I know they're blowing smoke.

Years ago I thought about giving GH's Maxi grow a shot. It looks like MC basically ripped off their 10-5-14 NPK content. That's a solid NPK for container gardening in my experience. I just crunched some numbers and comparing their 16 pound bag at $82 to DG's 5 gallon price and they cost the same to run. I buy DG 1 gallon at a time though which would make it a hair more expensive than GH. I'm trying to think of the scale I'd have to get to where nutrient cost would be substantial enough for me to want to switch to a dry food, something that is much more inconvenient to use for me than liquids. 10K watts of hydro tables maybe?

homebrewer said:

He might just be a fan, i don't know. I'd gladly discuss other plant foods here but when someone dismisses DG, calling it a ripoff or some other ignorant sh*t, I know they're blowing smoke.

Years ago I thought about giving GH's Maxi grow a shot. It looks like MC basically ripped off their 10-5-14 NPK content. That's a solid NPK for container gardening in my experience. I just crunched some numbers and comparing their 16 pound bag at $82 to DG's 5 gallon price and they cost the same to run. I buy DG 1 gallon at a time though which would make it a hair more expensive than GH. I'm trying to think of the scale I'd have to get to where nutrient cost would be substantial enough for me to want to switch to a dry food, something that is much more inconvenient to use for me than liquids. 10K watts of hydro tables maybe?

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I'm a big fan of GH maxi bloom from start to finish in dtw GH waterfarms. a few grows ago, i added a powdered fulvic, humic, kelp and micro mix to the maxibloom. i was able to lower my EC by about 0.3 because of the increased nute uptake that the fulvic/humic provided. it stains the roots dark brown which is the only drawback.

rkymtnman said:

I'm a big fan of GH maxi bloom from start to finish in dtw GH waterfarms. a few grows ago, i added a powdered fulvic, humic, kelp and micro mix to the maxibloom. i was able to lower my EC by about 0.3 because of the increased nute uptake that the fulvic/humic provided. it stains the roots dark brown which is the only drawback.

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I really like humic/fulvic/sea kelp additives.

Maxibloom has a good ratio for hydro, dtw is close enough. I may try that one. How's it dissolve in water? Lots of preshaking in a jug or just right into your res?

homebrewer said:

I really like humic/fulvic/sea kelp additives.

Maxibloom has a good ratio for hydro, dtw is close enough. I may try that one. How's it dissolve in water? Lots of preshaking in a jug or just right into your res?

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check out BioAg CytoPlus. a 100g bag is about 10 bucks on ebay if you want to try it. I think i was using 0.5 g per gallon??

Maxi dissolves really easy. I have a small waterfall in my res and it takes just a few minutes of circulation for it to totally dissolve.

hey homebrewer , first time writing here, im currently using optimum hydroponix and my brother is using AN and i was wondering what do you recommend between all these company, and if you recommend dyna gro, wich one should i take for veg , the foliage pro or Grow bottle?

stevenlaf said:

hey homebrewer , first time writing here, im currently using optimum hydroponix and my brother is using AN and i was wondering what do you recommend between all these company, and if you recommend dyna gro, wich one should i take for veg , the foliage pro or Grow bottle?

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Are you in hydro or in containers with peat, coco, or dirt?