DWC cloning question:P

Sup Zoners.

I have a DWC cloner i made, and i JUST took clones the other day and it occurs to me i may have made a dreadful mistake.

I put the clones into Rapid Rooter plugs THEN into the 2 inch net cups for the DWC..... i am afraid this will suffocate my plants as the rapid rooters are SOAKED.....but with HEAVILY Oxygenated water (over kill with the air pump and stones etc)

Id take pics but i broke my camera and only have my phone and dont wanna use it fr weed pix(gps tagging etc)

I thought if you used DWC cloners, you just used those mini net pots with the neoprene collars to hold the clones in place. No other medium needed.

AvonBarksdale said:

I thought if you used DWC cloners, you just used those mini net pots with the neoprene collars to hold the clones in place. No other medium needed.

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I did this but i used some hydroton.
i think if u use plugs u dont need to use a cloner cuz the rooters are holding the nutrient mix. Instead of it being continuously sprayed with water though the rooters are supposedly a perect water to air ratio.... but they supposedly can suffice in just the tray
Id say just one or the other

Yes when using a hydro cloner no medium is necessary. If using DWC then I would have the bubbles right below the bottom of the cutting so they get wet but are not sitting in the water. A better method would be to add a small sprayer and make it a Aero cloned. But to be honest in all my experience cloning and methods I have tried the best is just a tray, dome, and rockwool and just dip ur cuts in vitagrow or something similar that contain the n3 in it. The real key to healthy fast rooting clones is clean tools and environment and healthy mothers. The cuts themselves really hold all the hormones that the plant will use to grow roots so use healthy fast growing shoots from the tops for the best clones. This is just what I have learned from my experience.

I've had near 100% success using just a beer cup full of tap water and a square of tinfoil on top with a hole poked in the middle. I tried roottone powder and clonex gel and they both only seemed to DELAY rooting next to straight water. I started out transferring them to a new cup of water each day from cut but found I didn't even need to do that until root nubs show, then it's only 1-2 days until you have roots long enough to transplant and some I never changed the water once only to be shocked by 4"+ roots one day. Only misting the leaves once at cut. It would be a pita if you had 10-20 clones or more, but for 1-6, it's fine. I found that the shorter stems liked to hook or curl in the water after cutting, and long stems with at least 2-3 trimmed nodes underwater worked the best.

As far as phone pics, google "icanstalku" for how to disable geotagging and also get the ExifRemover app, and use exiftool for linux, mac or windows. You should remove the metadata even on your digicam pics.

I know its not ideal....buuuuuuutt will it work? OR do i need to get them out of the Rooters? Just dont wanna disturb them if they will root on there own in time
thanx for all the answers so far.

No worries man.
My clones are in half submerged rapid rooters.

KAL EL said:

No worries man.
My clones are in half submerged rapid rooters.

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Man, for someone who has been around ICMag for quite sometime, you sure do love to give bad advice confidently.

I think this is like the 6th piece of bad advice from you since I joined the forums.

I think as long as you keep the temps down you'll be fine.

i use jiffy pellets to start seeds and put them directly into my aerocloner, they do much better there than in a tray and dome.

superstoner1 said:

i use jiffy pellets to start seeds and put them directly into my aerocloner, they do much better there than in a tray and dome.

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Popping seeds is different than rooting clones. Seeds don't need as high of a humidity as cutting do for obvious reasons. There is no reason to put seedlings in a tray and dome. All I do is germinate in Tupperware with paper towel and then just plant and water into your medium.

Sub Cool's Shoe Box Method seems to work fairly well.
Possibly could salvage the submerged rooter project.
There is some good info on RUI about it.

Personally, I like using a dome in AZ because of the naturally dry climate. (At least majority of the time..)
But I agree it is not necessary.

A good string of advice someone once told that remains true in my methods today:
Keep it simple.
If it aint broke dont fix it.

AvonBarksdale said:

Man, for someone who has been around ICMag for quite sometime, you sure do love to give bad advice confidently.

I think this is like the 6th piece of bad advice from you since I joined the forums.

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Just because it is different than what you do, doesn't make it wrong or bad.
There are many ways to do all sorts of things.
How can my advice be wrong if it is how I clone and works fro me?

KAL EL said:

Just because it is different than what you do, doesn't make it wrong or bad.
There are many ways to do all sorts of things.
How can my advice be wrong if it is how I clone and works fro me?

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I'll give you the bolded statement.

I bet some clones might even root with your method, but I can just about bet it takes way longer if you are running a DWC cloner with peat pellets that are half soaked, and the failure rate has to be high. You are drowning the new formed roots.

Have you ever cloned in a glass of water?

Also, just lower the water level to get the net pot above water if you want.

AvonBarksdale said:

I'll give you the bolded statement.

I bet some clones might even root with your method, but I can just about bet it takes way longer if you are running a DWC cloner with peat pellets that are half soaked, and the failure rate has to be high. You are drowning the new formed roots.

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RR's hold a lot more air than peat pellets, and I think "drowning" has as much or more to do with the temps than anything cause too warm water can't hold enough DO. If you keep the temp of your water/rooter around 75 or less you shouldn't have a problem with them drowning.

AvonBarksdale said:

I'll give you the bolded statement.

I bet some clones might even root with your method, but I can just about bet it takes way longer if you are running a DWC cloner with peat pellets that are half soaked, and the failure rate has to be high. You are drowning the new formed roots.

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I have done what kal el explains. Even with Rockwool and I have a about 95% or higher clone rate. (19 out of 20 will root every time) I guess it just boils down to your overall experience and how well you understand directions. "there is more then one road to Rome..."

How could advice be bad advice if it is not advice and all he is doing is reporting to us what works for him. I see this a lot among new growers they spent hours and hour scouring the web reading about growing. Sometimes all that reading makes us think we know the best way to grow and it is the only way. For those growers with experience, we realize that there are many different ways to grow this plant well because we have fucked up and it did not turn out as bad as we feared. Like this weekend I was at the farmers market with a table full of clones. Before it opened this goombah comes over and starts grilling me about the clones. He asked how long he cloned had been in the cups I said about 10 days. He gets all mad and is like but it usually takes 7-10 days just to get roots. I did not answer and he slunked back to is table where he was purveyi g his wares from his "clone farm." When I think back on it I realize that this guy has no fucking clue what he is really talking about. Just by looking at the clones I had you could tell they were 100% healthy and rooted but this asshole had read somewhere something else. I had checked his table and it seems like they were having a problem getting heir cuts to root at all because most of what they had looked like shwagg plants from seed. Needless to say at the end of the day all our clones were gone. That guys table seemed just as full as when he walked in.