Dutchmasters Reverse,a study of hermie's.

This is very interesting! Definitely worth a shot on the next seed grow. I'll be watching this one.

so how long after they sprouted did you wait to foliar feed them? and what were your exact measurements with penetrator and reverse to the mix? i would love to try this out on my next batch of seedlings.. sure would like to have 100 percent females LOL!

did it have any ill effects on the babies? any burning or wilting?

FLoJo said:

so how long after they sprouted did you wait to foliar feed them? and what were your exact measurements with penetrator and reverse to the mix? i would love to try this out on my next batch of seedlings.. sure would like to have 100 percent females LOL!

did it have any ill effects on the babies? any burning or wilting?

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No burning or wilting at all,it left no signs that i ever sprayed it on the plants,also as far as i can tell it has not stunted the plants growth either,its impossible to really know if the spray stunted them in any way but i see them going through the normal growth spurt that they go through once put into budding & i see no signs that there is slowed growth so far.

The plants were one month old from seed,they were sprayed as directed which is 4 tblspns Penetrator added directly into one liter of Reverse,your only supposed to mix up enough to use & not pre mix all the product for some reason so i didnt.

I only used half the Reverse & 2 tblspns Penetrator to treat the plants & that amount will treat 60 plants easy,the 2nd half liter of Reverse i left unmixed to use at the 10 day mark as directed,the 2nd treatment will be this saturday evening.

The Penetrator & Reverse come in seperate one liter jugs & cost me just under $50 with shipping included,after the 2nd treatment im going to have a shit load of penetrator left over,i might just buy a few more liters of Reverse to have on hand to go with the extra Penetrator.

I checked on them again today & they were previously two plants that had not shown sex,today one of the plants showed sex & it is also female,i have one plant left to show sex,so far no signs of any pollen sacks on any of the females either,im going to be checking each plant looking for hermies every two days this entire grow,its going to be a bitch checking them so much but im worried not to.

Something has changed within the plants due to the reverse im sure of it,my home brew grow is popping males all over the place & more males were found today,as was the case with the grow not sprayed with anything.

The shit seems to work so far,i hope it holds through the entire grow & i dont get an assload of hermies later on.

the only substances that can effect sex reversals( in either direction) that I can find are gibberillic acid and silver nitrate never tried s.nit. but I used gib. acid to turn a branch male on an inca spirit female but nothing much happened maybe I did something wrong that stuff you got is probably bogus good luck - you do know that most strains will pop out a few bananas if U bud them long enuff 60 days for big bud? people still grow that I can't imagine why I find it way to mild sorry just my opinion

aren't male flowers ( bananas) appearing on budding cloned females the result of stress? such as a light leak during the dark period, to hot during the light time or bad genetics or from budding the strain until it reaches it"s reproduction freak out point and has to do something so pops out a few "bananas" thereby insuring the survival of the species or something like that?

madtrapper said:

the only substances that can effect sex reversals( in either direction) that I can find are gibberillic acid and silver nitrate never tried s.nit. but I used gib. acid to turn a branch male on an inca spirit female but nothing much happened maybe I did something wrong that stuff you got is probably bogus good luck - you do know that most strains will pop out a few bananas if U bud them long enuff 60 days for big bud? people still grow that I can't imagine why I find it way to mild sorry just my opinion

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I have no idea where your going with these 2 posts,have you even read the thread at all,if so you'd have seen where i said i realize that big bud will pop hermies,ive also said i understand that plants long into bud will pop hermies,im not new at this at all.

We are not talking about hermies right now were talking about a new seed grow, with all plants showing sex as female,direct from seed,why would you claim something as bogus without having any experience with the product at all ?

You had to of just browsed the thread cause if you'd read it you'd see that the sheer numbers do not represent chance or luck of the draw,something happened to make every last seed go female.

You cant tell me that its luck with that high a number of seeds.

madtrapper said:

aren't male flowers ( bananas) appearing on budding cloned females the result of stress? such as a light leak during the dark period, to hot during the light time or bad genetics or from budding the strain until it reaches it"s reproduction freak out point and has to do something so pops out a few "bananas" thereby insuring the survival of the species or something like that?

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I think we've lost ya here somewhere,im not using clones in this experiment,i do use clones but not in these grows,im trying to find out the success rate of the Dutchmasters with seed grows,if a hermie shows up in late budding than i'll have more to experiment with the Dutchmasters .

Im posting straight up facts that represent actual plant numbers,not myth.

bravo panhead, great work brotha. i will def. stick around to see if it keeps em from tryin to switch late in flower. i guess i will have to get some of this stuff when i order my seeds. brilliant!

everybody take note, this is how an experiment should be, not dumbass assumptions and word of mouth. side by side, controllable variables with a well defined outcome. i wish i could rep ya again panhead. again well done!

Well today i paid another visit to the grow between shopping extravaganzas,anyhow that last plant that wouldnt show sex still hadnt shown sex,pissed me right off too,while looking at all the others getting fat wads of hairs by the day that stupid fukin thing still hadnt even shown anything resembeling sex.

I got pissed.tore it up & stomped it,even if it had gone female it was so far behind the others i'd have been on another grow & it woulda been half way through budding so its a gonner.

The home brew treated plants still have a few to show & are right around the 75% female mark.

The seedlings that were not treated with anything are holding at near 60% female ratio but there are still a few plants left to sex as well.

I think Dutchmasters is on to something,not from a secret indredient either,from every bit of info i can get all thats in the stuff is very weak nutrients,i wonder if somehow the combination of weak nutrients along with soaking the plants leaves at certian intervals of the grow are whats making the female ratio go out of sight,there has to be an explaination why this is happening.

Does anybody here have any significant understanding on how different fertilizers & their different strengths can effect plant genitics ?

So far im considering the Dutchmasters experiment a complete success for sexing new plants from seed,the numbers are too high for it to be chance,tomorrow will be the 10 day mark & time for the 2nd application of reverse & penetrator,i cant fathom why i even need to apply a 2nd treatment at this point seeing as they are all now sexed as female but im going to follow tthe directions to the letter.

More info in a day or two,after the 2nd application,i should also note that all the plants except one that were treated with the dutchmasters have shown sex, while the other 2 test grows have not completed sexing.

Thank you thank you thank you I have been searching and searching for someone to have results on the Reverse product. I am currently on my first grow of WW in bubbleponis as a newb I have made some mistakes and was in great dismay when I found that I had turned my babies hermie. I have ordered the product and it will be here tomorrow. I am very pleased to see you are having success. I have a question where the seed pods were developing do they go away or do they just stop development. Thank you so much....

dallasmommy420 said:

I have a question where the seed pods were developing do they go away or do they just stop development. Thank you so much....

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I wish i had an answer,ive yet to use the product on a hermraphrodite,ive only used it as a sexing agent in a seed grow,i normally get a hermie or two very late in flowering so i'll be trying it on a hermie as soon as i get another one.

Right now im calling it a success when used on plants grown from seed as a sexing agent but im not far enough in yet to comment on hermies.

Im still lurking in here panhead.
I hope to see that this product works on the hermies you get very late into flowering...Ive not heard anyone speak of using the product on banannas, rather just normal nuts going into the start of flower. It works then so I suppose it should work on the bananas myself....

Although this all female number is something new to me...Maybe you should be contacting dutchmasters and asking them about these odds? See if thats a typical happening or somethign perhaps...?

I got it today. I sprayed using the directions and I will let you know what it does on a true hermie.

Bear*rack Olama said:

Although this all female number is something new to me...Maybe you should be contacting dutchmasters and asking them about these odds? See if thats a typical happening or somethign perhaps...?

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Whe i 1st started looking into this product i did ask them how & why it worked,all i got was mumbo jumbo snake oil nonsense,no real info from the manufacturer or its distributers was given.

I think they re on to something but its got to be something simple,im thinking along the lines that they might have discoverd a simple issue with marijuana,what if what they discovered was that by simply spraying the plant with an exact strength of select nutrients the sex can be forced into a certian direction ?

I dont think there's any secret to the stuff but im leaning twords they have made a very simple dicovery about the genetics of the plant & exploited it.

dallasmommy420 said:

I got it today. I sprayed using the directions and I will let you know what it does on a true hermie.

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Excellent & thank you for joining the experiment,your info will round out this experiment nicely.

I have nothing new to report,what i see is bud growth on all plants,nothing out of the normal growth patterns im used to seeing,im keeping a watchfull eye out for any early hermies as well,so far all plants treated with the product are 100% female with no pollen sack development.

sounds great panhead. I may get some of this for myself to test it outdoors this year.

Nothing except normal bud growth to report,the plants treated with 2 applications of the Dutch Masters products are gaining in bud size that is on par with the plants not treated & the other plants treated with my home made brew,no hermie's yet.

i have tried reverse on hermies just like the bottle said and i had seeds of all ages in my buds i don't think this stuff is good for stopping seed production once it starts but my fingers are crossed for u and i'm a little bummed i just poured that and the penatrator and liquid light down the drain. thought they got me.

panhead what other products are you using? when you say they are gaining do are you referring to the nute regiment you are giving them or just the reverse?

HOHO said:

i have tried reverse on hermies just like the bottle said and i had seeds of all ages in my buds i don't think this stuff is good for stopping seed production once it starts but my fingers are crossed for u and i'm a little bummed i just poured that and the penatrator and liquid light down the drain. thought they got me.

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Yeah im not sure what the stuff works on & what it dont,the info surrounding the product is so vague its impossible to know,im hoping that it will stop hermie flower production right after they are noticed.

Im pretty sure it played a role in me getting 100% females from seed though,i cant see any other explaination to cause that percentage.