Droopy leafs / different shades of green! PICS!

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bluez1

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Hi everybody this is my first grow ive got 15 plants under 2 600 w lights in a 10 x 10 room the temp averages about 90-92 i have a 4 inch intake and a 8 inch out take, ive bin givin them water every 1-2 days only because when i come back to them the soils realy dry and hard.. any help realy appreciated!!


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70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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They look pretty good to me. The temps are pretty high. If you can't get the temps down at least give them some humidity.
 
mikeyboy

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Temps seconded. They do seem abit high mate, i personally try never to go over 30 degrees C.
(erm i guess like 85 degrees F).
I don't even like getting very close to it.

Having said that there are those that say 'high' temps are fine. Its about finding your own happy medium.

However if temps are uncontrollable (ambient temp to high) and you are worried then i agree with 70's natureboy. get some humidity going.

A simple method to do this which i have had success with is get a bowl or water proof box. fill it with water and put a sponge in it, the sponge should stick up around 1-3 inchs above the lip of the box.
Put the box in-front of a fan and as the water leaches up the sponge it is dispersed into the air by the fan.
wow i got off topic.
Sorry.

plants look good man.
 
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SeeRockCity

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Weliveinapolicestate is an idiot.
Dont turn off your lights!

2x 600W is FINE! Especially for 12+ plants.

It's just a tad hot in there...work on your temp and heat evac..
Do you exhaust the heat from your lights?

and believe it or not..I think you are watering too much..droopy leaves are a sign of that.
Try watering every 2-3 days ...just because the soil looks dry does not mean that there is no moisture in the center of the soil where the roots are.
Watering every day is waaaay too much...roots need O2 to grow...
 
StevieStoner

StevieStoner

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are you using fresh water? have u started using nutes yet? is the ph balanced. temps are really high, what kind of fan(s) are u using for ur exhaust (cfm)?
 
mikeyboy

mikeyboy

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Weliveinapolicestate is not necessarily an idiot, just might have been better if he hadn't tried to sound adament he was right.

If your outside temps are in the 25-30 range then there isnt a hope in hell of getting temps down without some sort of air conditioning or, as erm, 'guy with long-ass username' says, take out a light.

however you could be growing in the arctic for all i know and all you need to reduce your temps is to add another fan.

some more details would help people provide tailored advice.


P.S. 1200 watt over 15 plants Is fine.

PEACE.
 
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bluez1

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Ive only just started to do the ph a week into the crop. When i changed the leafs are getting abit greener ? I changed the ph from the color green to orange ish? About 6?.... The rooms in the house inbetween two bedrooms. Ive got a good fan thats on full. Im gna take a light out see how that goes also how do i add co2 ? From canisters? All help is realy appreciated and im sorry for lack of knowledge but guess we all hve to start some were :p
 
mikeyboy

mikeyboy

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bluez1 said:
Ive only just started to do the ph a week into the crop. When i changed the leafs are getting abit greener ? I changed the ph from the color green to orange ish? About 6?.... The rooms in the house inbetween two bedrooms. Ive got a good fan thats on full. Im gna take a light out see how that goes also how do i add co2 ? From canisters? All help is realy appreciated and im sorry for lack of knowledge but guess we all hve to start some were :p
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No sorry's needed here for lack of knowledge.

I find Ph can be alot of messing around for just starting soil growers, i have a Ph metre thats only been out the box twice in 3 years. I only touch Ph when its Obviously causing problems.

Co2 can be added with use of cylinders, burning gas, yeast production and many more techniques if your willing to go down the mad scientist route.

The most common way is to use yeast, this works very well as it also can result in the production of beer or wine. :D

Yeast is used in the home brewing of alcohol. As the yeast grows and consumes sugars it produces Co2.
Again however, if your still finding your feet Co2 might be something extra you really dont need to worry about.. . yet.
Of course if you do want to play with the idea there are TONNES of people using it and some good (and not so good) info out there to find.
 
StevieStoner

StevieStoner

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if possible get a digital ph meter pen, only about 10 dollars on amazon.com and some ph up and ph down. i think what u are using is the ph soil tester. u put the soil in with the water and solution and the color tells u the ph of the soil? In my opinion, this is not the best way to test ph. The meter pen is well worth the money. when adding nutrients to fresh water your ph might change again, thats where the ph up and down come in. Taking 1 of the lights out is a good idea, seeing u dont really need all that light for plants that young. you could even think about fluorescent lights when dealing with young plants, not to mention how little heat they give off. just some ideas man, i hope everything works out for out.
 
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Weliveinapolicestate

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Ok, lets examine the grow. The user has 1200 watts of light for 15 plants and is having temp issues. 15 Plants that in the current pot size and plant size would take up no more then an area of 3 x 3 if the pots where touching. An area a SINGLE 600 watt could do no problem not too mention it would cut hydro use and heat and be more efficient since I'm sure the user is rocking a horizontal lamp and reflector/cooltube. He should run 1200w or more in a 10x10 room when the plants need it but until they do it's my opinion that your wasting hydro and generating excessive heat that he can't deal with in his current setup. It would also give him time to look into some sort of cooling solution larger cfm fans/cO2/ Air conditioning what even he chooses. And maybe you should read what was said 1.High heat and 2.he HAS to water every 1-2 days. And he has to water because the high heat is causing the water to evaporate (higher humidity). But if he waters and uses nutes that often and the water flashes off that fast then much of the nutes will still be in the soil and you could have ph lockup in the future. Droopy leaves are a sigh of Over watering? If they are drooping and the soil looks like mud sure I've seen that then root rot sets in. But drooping/wilted leaves and soil that's rock hard and bone dry after 1-2 days means they need more water dolt. Keep your Bmeat like comments to yourself there SmokesROCKCity. Your plants are wilting and the rooms hot hmmm too much water is the cause Thanks guy.
 
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SeeRockCity

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Weliveinapolicestate said:
Ok, lets examine the grow. The user has 1200 watts of light for 15 plants and is having temp issues. 15 Plants that in the current pot size and plant size would take up no more then an area of 3 x 3 if the pots where touching. An area a SINGLE 600 watt could do no problem not too mention it would cut hydro use and heat and be more efficient since I'm sure the user is rocking a horizontal lamp and reflector/cooltube. He should run 1200w or more in a 10x10 room when the plants need it but until they do it's my opinion that your wasting hydro and generating excessive heat that he can't deal with in his current setup. It would also give him time to look into some sort of cooling solution larger cfm fans/cO2/ Air conditioning what even he chooses. And maybe you should read what was said 1.High heat and 2.he HAS to water every 1-2 days. And he has to water because the high heat is causing the water to evaporate (higher humidity). But if he waters and uses nutes that often and the water flashes off that fast then much of the nutes will still be in the soil and you could have ph lockup in the future. Droopy leaves are a sigh of Over watering? If they are drooping and the soil looks like mud sure I've seen that then root rot sets in. But drooping/wilted leaves and soil that's rock hard and bone dry after 1-2 days means they need more water dolt. Keep your Bmeat like comments to yourself there SmokesROCKCity. Your plants are wilting and the rooms hot hmmm too much water is the cause Thanks guy.
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I'll comment on whatever the fuck I want....guy
I said HEAT AND OVER WATERING. learn how to read...

All this guy needs to do is make sure his light heat is evacuating properly and cut back on the watering a little bit.
NOT waste one of his BUD PRODUCING lights and cut it off!!
 
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Weliveinapolicestate

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Never seen a over watered plants with bone dry soil and wilted leaves. I've seen over watered plants with very wet muddy like soil with little drainage it kept the roots too wet and stunted the plant and it did develop root rot and produce little buds. And I've seen under watered plants with drooping/wilted leaves. You skipped all my reasons on why turning out a light was a good idea. Great reply Bmeat I like your new name btw. Thanks for helping the discussion along couldn't do it without you. Your counterpoints amazing. Peace
 
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SeeRockCity

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the guy said he watered his plants every day or two...this is usually too much
YES it is because of his lighting...
NO he shouldn't turn the damn thing off!!
Light evac is the answer...and when that is done correctly, there will be no need to water every 24-48 hours.

I could make fun of your paranoid little screen name too....but I have better things to do.
 
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Weliveinapolicestate

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Then I think you mean "too often" not "too much".

Your still not justifying the 1200w. Your still left with 15 plants that are only 8 inches high in 8 inch pots that could fit in a much smaller area then 10x10, they don't have enough leaves to shade the soil which may be causing the water to evaporate with higher surface soil temps. A single 600w would easily do a 4x4 area until the plants need the space then kick the second one on, hell an eight bulb t5 fixture would have these plants filling out in no time (plus lower the temp). Why are you against consuming less power? Do you work for the power company and your job depends on higher usage and rates ? It's wasted if all it's doing is generating heat.
 
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SeeRockCity

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yeah, I dont really try and pay too close attention to my grammar...just so people like you get all pissy!

we have a difference of opinion.
both valid opinions...
both would probably work

but for ME personally... I would rather use 1200W than 600W
it's kind of a math thing
 
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Weliveinapolicestate

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Well your right we're not here to talk about grammar, we're here to give the op good advise to save his crop and point them in the right direction. But if your opinion is math based then do the math with me, better cooling solutions cost money, extra hydro use (.6kwh) costs money, wasted nutes, ph up/down, ph testing, wasting time watering too often in you opinion but not often enough in the plants opinion (Wilting)... time you could be using to make money or upgrading your cooling setup. You haven't said anything about the plants looking like 2-3 week old seedlings under way too much light and high heat. But your option works if you don't care about production costs, you know that math thing. 600 is more then 1200 but MY opinion is use 600w compress the pots and have the time to get the setup tweaked and run full 1200 when the plants need more space and then your not wasting light keeping dark corners lite to drive away spooky monsters and driving up heat and costs. But the choice is yours op hope you get it sorted. Aquasorb or maybe some top dressing to keep the water in the pot or both will help keep them wet. Are you top feeding or bottom ? With the higher room temps are you watering with colder water ? What's the humidity @ 90-92f ?
 
70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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One 600w light will give those small plants plenty of light. When they get bigger and actually start crowding then you can add the 2nd light. It's just common sense; especially when you have such high temps.
 
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