Dr green thumb seeds

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

no ..i do not think he said everyone else is selling fakes..
he said he has found that you DO get the real thing from doc

torontotoke

yes but you are still the guy who said they have never bought any ..so it is just speculation...

and wouldn't eat steak at the keg because you found it too expensive
i am telling you..there is steak and there is steak and you will not get a good one for 9.98 at a restaurant..
it costs more than that at the butcher..but yes there is "other steak"

and a free society gives you the right to say more or less what you want..even if it is based on no actual
knowledge..

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I have bought probably 200 plus different strains from all different breeders. I used to pay more than $100 a pack for certain stuff in the late 90's. but times have changed, now instead of a handful of guys holding genetics hostage there are many many options.
I know many guys that have spent their money on dr greenthumb and ive learnt from their experiences.

Like you seem to love telling everyone your old tho so you obviously know way more than the rest of us.

I've not grown any of his gear, but $150-200 for 5 seeds is outrageous and IMHO unjustifiable.

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

no ..i do not think he said everyone else is selling fakes..
he said he has found that you DO get the real thing from doc

torontotoke

yes but you are still the guy who said they have never bought any ..so it is just speculation...

and wouldn't eat steak at the keg because you found it too expensive
i am telling you..there is steak and there is steak and you will not get a good one for 9.98 at a restaurant..
it costs more than that at the butcher..but yes there is "other steak"

and a free society gives you the right to say more or less what you want..even if it is based on no actual
knowledge..

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Which Bodhi strains have you grown?

i have grown none of his gear and therefore did not say anything negative...

i have grown mr nice..i commented..i got one good female out of 20+beans

this was not a bodhi thread..

i have grown lots of doc's..and feel i can contribute..

buy em don't buy em..i like em

Growing out anything crossed with that super early iranian means they are super sensitive to light changes. Some of mine flowered with only 3 hours of darkness because I started them with 24 hours of light and they freaked out at the first sign of nightfall. Veg those super early strains with 16-18 hours of light and you should be fine, that was recommended to me from oregongreenseed and it works.

never have had a problem with the dr or his strains. he has always been great and so have the beans. a little pricey? yeah but everything ive grown from him has been worth it. im sorry you had a bad experience.

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

i have grown none of his gear and therefore did not say anything negative...

i have grown mr nice..i commented..i got one good female out of 20+beans

this was not a bodhi thread..

i have grown lots of doc's..and feel i can contribute..

buy em don't buy em..i like em

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Yes, but in your steak analogy above you're suggesting that you can only get good plants if you pay top dollar for the seeds. This is simply not the case. Some of the best strains I have grown have been from $40-$70 packs, and some of the worst I have grown have been from $150+ packs. There is no correlation between price and quality in this game.

In today's world, EVERY breeder has access to elite genetics. The price that the breeder chooses to sell them at is pulled right out of their arse. To believe that Dr Greenthumb somehow has access to genetics that other breeders don't is foolish. He is charging more for his seeds just because he wants to, not because his genetics are any better than the next guy.

yes i agree because i was not the one with the steak analogy

it was referring to Toronto tokes post and that it was incorrect logic..

i also agree that doc has access to the mainstream genetics that most down south
bean companys do

and yes.he charges more because he does..

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

as much as i like the Nice guy[300$ for them too non fem] i have had more hermi's in one mr nice pack than 15 yrs ordering from doc..

it has been "nice"[pardon pun] to be able to get basically replica's of all the clone only strains in female form..

that said: bodhi is a nice guy and mr nice is a nice guy

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BS, I've never, ever had hermies from Mr Nice. BTW, isn't DrGs G13 , indirectly from Mr Nice?

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

yes i agree because i was not the one with the steak analogy

it was referring to Toronto tokes post and that it was incorrect logic..

i also agree that doc has access to the mainstream genetics that most down south
bean companys do

and yes.he charges more because he does..

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My steak analogy makes perfect sense. You were implying that someone who hasnt tried a product shouldnt have an opinion on the price which is illogical.
I think mercedes benz and bmw are also over priced but i dont need to drive one to know im right.
Dr greenthumb is a greedy breeder whether his genetics are good or not is irrelevant. As good or better genetics are available for half the price but he is somehow still in business because of people like you still believing that if it costs more it must be better. Dj short is the same kind of dinosaur and he too will be eventually forced to lower prices or be pushed out of the game.

His order made it to me, they were good but not my cup of tea.

WoodyHaze said:

BS, I've never, ever had hermies from Mr Nice. BTW, isn't DrGs G13 , indirectly from Mr Nice?

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hey dude its not bs...i do not bs
i enjoyed the one ssh out of more than 20 he gave me for 300$..i did wonder why he gave me that many

i really wanted the tall long
flower ssh[they hermied half way in flower] i got the straight fat good yielder..i dumped it after i got bored..it was pretty good...its ok dude i still like him..lol
i was using him as an example of revered breeders...i did not come to complain..it was an example


and re g13...no

Yes, my neighbour complained Greenthumb's gear was too expensive and how greedy Doc is but he bought the U.K. Cheese from greenthumb anyway because it's real UK Cheese and he had to have it. Only made a couple of hundred thousand Euro off of that U.K. Cheese last season. Poor guy.

ive never had an issue with his gear. ever. it has always been what he said it was and ive done well with it. prices may be high but really whats a few hundred$$ out of 8lbs? you can have hermies in all gear not just his or riots or anyone elses. and most of the time its growers error not breeders. and so e strains are made with other strains that have been known to have hermie issues and we know this going into the purchase and grow. its a roll of the dice. if.you cant stomache the price go buy someone elses stuff and stop cryin about it. its that simple.

The verdict is in doc green greed is only for shot callin big ballin diamond encrusted yuk mouth dealers who when you look into their eyes you see dollar signs. Good for them but I'm not that cereal I do what I do for my personal meds I keep it simple stupid so kiss my ass. When I spend that kinda cash and get duds and the doc sits on his high throne and says his seeds never have issues and then blames me it's lights out on his seeds. Deal with him long enough and you'll have your turn. By the way I'm cinnamon toast crunch and the ghost I grew from him before the duds was Fire!!! So take your chances unless your baller of the year then it doesn't really matter. Go on with yo bad self oh and hey can i borrow 1.5 milli I'll give you a cheeseburger on Tuesday?

not ever had issues..
also heard him replacing stuff he did not have to..from more than oner person..guess its how they talked to him
possibly he gets tired of some peoples attitude that its the beans and not a germination screw up...
i know i have screwed up before..
in the end nothing is ever perfect in this world..people, genetics, customers...sheesh!

calicocalyx said:

Growing out anything crossed with that super early iranian means they are super sensitive to light changes. Some of mine flowered with only 3 hours of darkness because I started them with 24 hours of light and they freaked out at the first sign of nightfall. Veg those super early strains with 16-18 hours of light and you should be fine, that was recommended to me from oregongreenseed and it works.

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Just to stir the pot and because it's gotten off topic a little. That Dr. Greenthumb may be a prick. His prices may be high. But so what? Don't choose him.

I just wanted to point out how dynamic and complex, growing this plant can be. I'm betting something happened with the environment to trigger those plants to flower, basically because I did that to some that I had and they share the same genetics. Maybe I'm wrong, but lots of anecdotal evidence and conjecture that is relevant to particular experiences can mean that people presume to know more than they do. I do it (like right now) so assume others do too. So many variables at any one time that factor into the outcome of these grows. Just when you think you've seen it all, a curve ball gets thrown in. Just saying I bet a lot of breeders deal with growers not entirely knowing what they are doing. In my case I asked oregongreenseed about the early flowering and they explained right away why it happened and how to avoid it in the future. Really would have been great to know beforehand but either it wasn't apparent or as a buyer I assumed responsibility for knowing how to handle these genetics. I just wanted to highlight what I already posted in the hopes that people will learn and avoid these kind of mistakes.

One note to make is that I did not contact them and accuse them or demand anything. I asked, they answered. They sell seeds, they don't teach growers. My bad. I probably won't try Greenthumb though because of the prices and crossing the border and hearing about bad customer service. Too many options of equally good genetics to choose from out there, at least I can assume because I haven't tried his. Who knows, maybe his shit is the bees knees? For those leftovers from the 90's selling expensive gear, adapt or die, it's a buyers market out there. Not sure where profit turns into greed so I'll save my finger pointing.

i think doc is doing ok..even with all the freebie seeds co's begging for m everyones biz..

he may be a prick if he is dealing with a prick..but anyone i know

has got respect and help when speaking with him..and terrific customer service

i do not wanna possibly waste a whole grow because the seeds are cheaper

they are good value for me because i have not wasted a grow buying his gear.

and i can keep the best clones off them ..well for a long long time

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

i think doc is doing ok..even with all the freebie seeds co's begging for m everyones biz..

he may be a prick if he is dealing with a prick..but anyone i know

has got respect and help when speaking with him..and terrific customer service

i do not wanna possibly waste a whole grow because the seeds are cheaper

they are good value for me because i have not wasted a grow buying his gear.

and i can keep the best clones off them ..well for a long long time

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That's pretty much my view as well. Dr. Greenthumb seeds could very well be worth the high price. What's $150 for a pack, compared to pounds of bud that actually finish and are great? And like you said, could be something that you can keep indefinitely. I have heard that the stuff that he hasn't crossed into the iranian, is the real deal old school stuff, matanuska, trainwreck, ect.... I'm still curious about his gear.

Well I've grown just about everything Dr. Greenthumb sells. His early season Iranian strains are about the best outdoor strains I've ever seen and about the only ones that will finish here outdoors before the fall rains come and turn everything else into moudly rot. Been there, done that. Greenthumb is the only breeder I trust for outdoor gens now. I've tried other breeders so-called "early" strains and sorry, they're not usually "as advertised" and certainly none, so far has been up to the quality and yield of the Iranian line.

I've grown so-called "old school","elite" strains from other breeders and on some occasions have gotten really good genetics...no question, but I've also gotten a lot of rubbish and wasted a lot of time and money. Every, single, strain I've gotten from Dr. Greenthumb has been "as advertised", has always sprouted at or near 100% and has been top drawer quality, so I have zero problems paying a bit more for the reliability and quality the doc's seeds brings to the table. Buying cheap seeds from other breeders has proved very costly for me, so I stopped doing that for the most part.