DOMA In Action - what a proud day for America

Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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Bilerico reports that an Indiana coroner cited DOMA in his refusal to release the body of Christina Santiago to her lesbian partner. Santiago was one of five killed at Saturday's stage collapse at the stage fair.
The Marion County coroner's office is refusing to release Santiago's body to her partner; the office cited the Defense of Marriage Act as the reason why they've turned down Brennon's request to pick up her loved one's remains. DOMA allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Indiana has its own version of DOMA that outlaws same-sex marriage. Since Indiana law requires the next-of-kin to pick up Santiago's body, but the state won't recognize Brennon as the surviving spouse, Santiago's body is still laying in the morgue awaiting a solution. It's unclear whether or not Santiago has other family available to claim her corpse and take it home for burial.


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sync0s

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How can somebody logically cite blocking a loved one from retrieving the remains as being moral. People in this world are fucking crazy ignorant fucks.
 
beardo

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Carne Seca said:
Bilerico reports that an Indiana coroner cited DOMA in his refusal to release the body of Christina Santiago to her lesbian partner. Santiago was one of five killed at Saturday's stage collapse at the stage fair.
The Marion County coroner's office is refusing to release Santiago's body to her partner; the office cited the Defense of Marriage Act as the reason why they've turned down Brennon's request to pick up her loved one's remains. DOMA allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Indiana has its own version of DOMA that outlaws same-sex marriage. Since Indiana law requires the next-of-kin to pick up Santiago's body, but the state won't recognize Brennon as the surviving spouse, Santiago's body is still laying in the morgue awaiting a solution. It's unclear whether or not Santiago has other family available to claim her corpse and take it home for burial.


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Are her parents fighting the woman claiming their daughters body? or her children or husband or exhusband- If not then the lady should be able to claim her girlfriend if the faimly is against it then I think family would deserve to step in unless their was a will stating otherwise.
 
MuyLocoNC

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What's the hurry, she's on ice and she certainly isn't going anywhere. Welcome to the government bureaucracy that you all seem to be chomping at the bit to have more of. That's the problem though, when that bureaucracy doesn't adhere to or further your beliefs/wishes you still have to deal with it, even if you helped empower it.

You guys keep thinking that giving power to the government is good when your leaders are in the majority, but that power still remains when the "other" guys are in charge. No complaining for you statist dupes, take yer medicine.
 
Carne Seca

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MuyLocoNC said:
What's the hurry, she's on ice and she certainly isn't going anywhere. Welcome to the government bureaucracy that you all seem to be chomping at the bit to have more of. That's the problem though, when that bureaucracy doesn't adhere to or further your beliefs/wishes you still have to deal with it, even if you helped empower it.

You guys keep thinking that giving power to the government is good when your leaders are in the majority, but that power still remains when the "other" guys are in charge. No complaining for you statist dupes, take yer medicine.
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Are you brain damaged? What the fuck are you even talking about?
 
beardo

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I think gays should be able to claim their partners body if they die or be free to make medical decisions in an emergency- unless their is protest from a direct family member
 
Carne Seca

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beardo said:
I think gays should be able to claim their partners body if they die or be free to make medical decisions in an emergency- unless their is protest from a direct family member
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Then there should be the same stipulation for straight couples. Allow the spouse to claim the body unless a family member objects. It's only fair.
 
beardo

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Carne Seca said:
Then there should be the same stipulation for straight couples. Allow the spouse to claim the body unless a family member objects. It's only fair.
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That's already the rule I'm pretty sure
If I have a heart attack and die and my girlfriend i'm living with wants to claim my body but my wife objects my girlfriend is shit out of luck
 
Carne Seca

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beardo said:
It says lesbian partner
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I don't know if you're deliberately playing stupid or you really can't grasp the concept of DOMA.

Christine Santiago is a prominent Lesbian from Chicago. Christina Santiago was the programming manager for the Lesbian Community Care Project at Chicago's Howard Brown Health Center. She was a leading and driving force in the expansion of women's health services division and a powerful advocate for all women.

She was a prominent human rights activist and bitterly contested DOMA because she wanted to MARRY HER PARTNER. If DOMA didn't exist we wouldn't even be talking about this. As far as her and her partner were concerned, they were married. But because of a law they were relegated to a second class status.
 
beardo

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Carne Seca said:
I don't know if you're deliberately playing stupid or you really can't grasp the concept of DOMA.

Christine Santiago is a prominent Lesbian from Chicago. Christina Santiago was the programming manager for the Lesbian Community Care Project at Chicago's Howard Brown Health Center. She was a leading and driving force in the expansion of women's health services division and a powerful advocate for all women.

She was a prominent human rights activist and bitterly contested DOMA because she wanted to MARRY HER PARTNER. If DOMA didn't exist we wouldn't even be talking about this. As far as her and her partner were concerned, they were married. But because of a law they were relegated to a second class status.
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Sounds like she should have been smart enough to anticipate this then, and if so she should have had a will, on hand or with a lawyer and her partner should have been aware of the will. If their is a will outlining her wishes, I think they should respect it and release body to her lesbian partner if their is no will but no immediate family protesting it then I also think they should release her to her lesbiian partner.
 
undertheice

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Carne Seca said:
What the fuck are you even talking about?
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what he's talking about is that this is the flip side of the coin that our statist cadre here refuses to admit to. y'all whine when the state doesn't step in to solve every little problem, but fail to realize that government does not consistently rule on the side you agree with. that government is free to invade the private lives of its citizens is all fine and dandy, until things don't go your way. ludicrous legislation like doma is the price we all have to pay for that huge, intrusive government that is being shoved down our throats. i'm sure you can simply blame it on a few people here and there, but government is made up of those few and you've insisted on giving it free rein.

all of our rights are interrelated. once the precedent has been set that government has the right to dictate our private lives, that capacity spreads like any disease. if you want the state to regulate the individual's right to private property, it will take that as a mandate to interfere in other areas as well. either all of our individual rights are secure or none of them are.
 
RawBudzski

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I love americas theme songs.
Well im proud to be an american where @ least I know Im free... Blah blah blaaah blah blah blahblahblah blah blah' til the Feds come afteer meeee...
 
Carne Seca

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beardo said:
Sounds like she should have been smart enough to anticipate this then, and if so she should have had a will, on hand or with a lawyer and her partner should have been aware of the will. If their is a will outlining her wishes, I think they should respect it and release body to her lesbian partner if their is no will but no immediate family protesting it then I also think they should release her to her lesbiian partner.
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The Indiana Coroner refused to release the body, citing DOMA as the reason. Regardless of a will, they won't release the body to her. What part of that can you not understand? Indiana has it's own Version of DOMA and they refuse to recognize same sex partnership.
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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undertheice said:
what he's talking about is that this is the flip side of the coin that our statist cadre here refuses to admit to. y'all whine when the state doesn't step in to solve every little problem, but fail to realize that government does not consistently rule on the side you agree with. that government is free to invade the private lives of its citizens is all fine and dandy, until things don't go your way. ludicrous legislation like doma is the price we all have to pay for that huge, intrusive government that is being shoved down our throats. i'm sure you can simply blame it on a few people here and there, but government is made up of those few and you've insisted on giving it free rein.

all of our rights are interrelated. once the precedent has been set that government has the right to dictate our private lives, that capacity spreads like any disease. if you want the state to regulate the individual's right to private property, it will take that as a mandate to interfere in other areas as well. either all of our individual rights are secure or none of them are.
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Name me one law passed due to the Left that denies equal rights to it's citizens. Please. I would love to see it. Let's flip that coin back over. So it's o.k. to deny equal rights as long as it fits in to your belief system or cultural bias, right? Which side has been passing all the abortion bills recently? Which side fought the repeal of DADT? It sure as hell wasn't the Left.
 
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