Does this look like its going hermie???

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JesterDev

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Since we are on the topic, and I don't mean to intrude but I am curious. I had a jack the ripper clone from a friend. He had some 50 plus. His self pollinated, all of them. So did mine. Two different growing conditions. Would these plants be considered a true "hermie" or could it just be bad genetics? His theory is that the original mothers had been self pollinated to many times. As in, the great grandmother, grandmother and mother had all been purposely hermied and after so many generations they will all do this. Now I cloned this plant before flowering, so just curious if I am wasting my time with the clones.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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I have heard jack the ripper jokingly referred to as jack the hermie a couple of times so my guess is that it might be at least a little bit genetic. Could also just be some strains are very sensitive to stress, and you each could have stressed it in a different way?
 
RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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JesterDev said:
Since we are on the topic, and I don't mean to intrude but I am curious. I had a jack the ripper clone from a friend. He had some 50 plus. His self pollinated, all of them. So did mine. Two different growing conditions. Would these plants be considered a true "hermie" or could it just be bad genetics? His theory is that the original mothers had been self pollinated to many times. As in, the great grandmother, grandmother and mother had all been purposely hermied and after so many generations they will all do this. Now I cloned this plant before flowering, so just curious if I am wasting my time with the clones.
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I wouldn't be able to answer that unless I grew that particular strain myself to be sure, wana send me a clone :bigjoint:...lol...but really, it depends on your growing experience and your conditions while growing...I know mine are perfect (conditions) and I use a supersoil so I don't have to guess what's going on with my plants, I know they're getting what they need when they need it...but as too those plants carrying the genetic mutation, if it is, I would imagine they all are because a clone is just that, an exact replica of the original...peace...
 
RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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Ace Yonder said:
I have heard jack the ripper jokingly referred to as jack the hermie a couple of times so my guess is that it might be at least a little bit genetic. Could also just be some strains are very sensitive to stress, and you each could have stressed it in a different way?
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Well unless every last plant of Jack the Ripper came from a hermaphrodite mother, I seriously doubt it, but, it may be easily stressed, as I stated in my earlier post I have a Blue Rhino that is finicky that way...if I'm off schedule for awhile she will throw a nanner or two, but I just plant those beans and try not to be off schedule ;-)...
 
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althor

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Ace Yonder said:
So is the only reason people say not to use beans from plants that self pollinate is because they supposedly bear the tainted herm gene? Cuz I see people saying all the time "Use the nanners that females grow to pollinate other females for feminized seeds, but don't grow any seeds from a plant that pollinates its self" and it has never rung true to me since the plant would be a parent either way and things like stress shouldn't be passed genetically, just like if your hair goes gray from stress it doesn't mean your kids will be born with gray hair.
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Well, that is not QUITE what you see....

If you grow out quite a few of the same strain. Take clones before flowering. Stress the shit out of them during flowering to see which one can take the most abuse. Then take the clone from the best, most hermie-proof plant, and start spraying it with colloidal silver when you switch it to flower, you will force it to make pollen. This is GOOD pollen. If you use this pollen to pollenate other (stress tested) females, you will end up with 99.9% female seeds that have a high resistance to hermie.

Now, if you have a plant that throws nanners at the first sign of stress, pollenates itself and then you use those seeds, well basically you are giving yourself a high chance of getting more hermies. Or take the pollen from that hermie-prone plant and use it on other plants, you have a higher chance of getting hermies.
 
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sevenUP

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Thanks everyone for your comments and advice. We take no offense to any of it as most of it was constructive criticism and the rest was, well, your opinion which you are entitled to. That strain just looked funky as hell so have since eradicated it and stuck with blueberry.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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althor said:
Well, that is not QUITE what you see....

If you grow out quite a few of the same strain. Take clones before flowering. Stress the shit out of them during flowering to see which one can take the most abuse. Then take the clone from the best, most hermie-proof plant, and start spraying it with colloidal silver when you switch it to flower, you will force it to make pollen. This is GOOD pollen. If you use this pollen to pollenate other (stress tested) females, you will end up with 99.9% female seeds that have a high resistance to hermie.

Now, if you have a plant that throws nanners at the first sign of stress, pollenates itself and then you use those seeds, well basically you are giving yourself a high chance of getting more hermies. Or take the pollen from that hermie-prone plant and use it on other plants, you have a higher chance of getting hermies.
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No I understand that, I am referring to what I DO see a lot of which is people saying to pay careful attention to not plant any seeds from plants that were polinated with their own pollen, even good plants you purposefully stressed into nannering to get good fem seeds. The implication was that it would be akin to inbreeding and produce weak offspring (Even if it was a strong, stress resistant female that you used c.silver on).
 
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