Does government have the "authority" to force mandatory vaccinations on unwilling individuals ? Where does that authority come from ?

Status
Not open for further replies.
blueberryrose

blueberryrose

Well-Known Member
Certainly, everyone should be forced to get the vaccine(s). Furthermore, everyone's fingerprints and genetic sequence should be known to the government.

Only certain people should be allowed to have children, and we should select for stronger, healthier, more productive specimens (sound familiar?)

Children born with problems should be culled. And yes, governments should have this supreme authority over the people.

So yes, let's have forced vaccinations for all using vaccines that were rushed out the door.

WTF
 
Offmymeds

Offmymeds

Well-Known Member
Rob Roy said:
Any idea why vaccine makers want legal immunity from adverse vaccine reactions ? Does that concern you?
Click to expand...
Occam's razor. They ask for legal immunity because they can. It's called capitalism. It's a business & the previous adminstration was willing to give them anything they wanted in order to get the vaccine out before the election, without the normal trials that take years. Safety trials. The makers actually consider the safety & risks, & estimate potential liability, so OF COURSE they are going to ask. Imagine that. BTW, accounting rules for large corporations require them to estimate & quantify their known risks. Yes, shortcuts on safety should be a concern but I'm less concerned of that than I am of contracting this deadly thing.

I'm curious why you don't question tossing out the pandemic playbook, "playing it down", & that it "will magically disappear", or missing stockpiles. Instead you're choosing to focus on outer space theories that expound into even wilder ones that keep you addicted & entertained.

Good luck with that.
 
Last edited:
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
Rob Roy said:
I don't recall having one. The last time I legally crossed imaginary lines (national borders) a drivers license was all that was "required".

I am not a fan of centralized control and have been a vocal opponent of things like real i.d. , "show me your papers" etc. They are like a precursor to dog collars.
Click to expand...
That’s what I thought. The guy who’s never left either an isolated cabin in the woods or the basement of his mother’s house, is worried about travel restrictions.

Nobody is forcing you to take the vaccine. If you want to travel to Canada though, you will need to get one.

You will also need a passport.

Rob Roy said:
I'm sure you will be getting to my question in the previous post concerning where the right to force a vaccination could possibly come from.
Click to expand...
Is there really any point to now that your false argument has been exposed?
 
Last edited:
S

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
Certainly, everyone should be forced to get the vaccine(s). Furthermore, everyone's fingerprints and genetic sequence should be known to the government.

Only certain people should be allowed to have children, and we should select for stronger, healthier, more productive specimens (sound familiar?)

Children born with problems should be culled. And yes, governments should have this supreme authority over the people.

So yes, let's have forced vaccinations for all using vaccines that were rushed out the door.

WTF
Click to expand...
FB is surveillance society..now what do you think as you gladly handing over your info?

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | The Coup We Are Not Talking About (Published 2021)

We can have democracy, or we can have a surveillance society, but we cannot have both.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

and you're worried about vaccines.
 
blueberryrose

blueberryrose

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose

blueberryrose

Well-Known Member
CunningCanuk said:
That’s what I thought. The guy who’s never left either an isolated cabin in the woods or the basement of his mother’s house, is worried about travel restrictions.

Nobody is forcing you to take the vaccine. If you want to travel to Canada though, you will need to get one.

You will also need a passport.


Is there really any point to now that your false argument has been exposed?
Click to expand...
Is this in fact the case? The government are going to block all entry into the country based on whether or not someone's been vaccinated?

I highly doubt it.

Remember, in Canada,

"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

-Napoleon
 
Sativied

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Rob Roy said:
So if a person is forced to be vaccinated, and has serious side effects (or dies) you accept that as "collateral damage" and feel the person should have no recourse ?
Click to expand...
If the person dies and should still have a recourse we’re getting into zombie territory again, in which case we should definitely force people to get vaccinated.

As for accepting deaths and side effects as collateral damage, absolutely. Meanwhile, in reality, there’s a virus that’s causing serious side effects (like erectile dysfunction) and killed millions and you’re willing to accept that all as collateral damage from the covid mutation breeding ground anti-vaxxers like you are directly responsible for.

Your nonsense is non-sequitur despite cherry-picking sources. That’s just dumb. Like hyperinflation in Zimbabwe...
 
Sativied

Sativied

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
Is this in fact the case? The government are going to block all entry into the country based on whether or not someone's been vaccinated?

I highly doubt it.
Click to expand...
Vaccinated and speed-tested regardless. It’s that or risking billions in economic damages so no need to doubt.
 
MY OWN DANK

MY OWN DANK

Well-Known Member
Rob Roy said:
Thank you for your reply. Yes, they certainly have the power to try mandatory vaccinations. Where does the authority to do this come from though?

If you or I don't have this authority to force people to do this, how could other people possibly have that authority ? Where does that authority come from? Is it real?
Click to expand...
No...it is not real...its an illusion

They only have the power that we give thembongsmilie
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
It's a quote from Animal Farm by George Orwell. It should be mandatory reading for folks who think Covid vaccines should be mandatory.
Click to expand...
lol selfowned, nice xD well Orwell was quite right on Brexit .... I can understand why ppl are protecting their rights with hand and feet, but don't you feel that, ultimately, this bane has to go - completely, or it will come back. Think of spidermites... it may even be already too late considering all the new variances which keep turning up... the corrput Chinese could have locked it in their land... no instead they must lie about their numbers or danger playign things down... even the official numbers presented to the WHO/world.
More so that Chinese minister recently even denied their debacle by implying the virus came from somewhere else... lies lies lies (politicians):

“We raced against time and were the first country to report cases to the world,” Yi said during an interview with the state-run Xinhua news agency on January 1. “More and more research suggests that the pandemic was likely to have been caused by separate outbreaks in multiple places in the world.”

“We have stood at the forefront of fighting misinformation, rebutting attempts of politicisation and stigmatisation,” Yi said. “We were determined to make sure that the objective narrative and collective memory of the battle against the pandemic would not be distorted by lies.”

scroll.in

Coronavirus pandemic likely to have caused by global outbreaks, claims China’s foreign minister

Beijing has faced flak from the international community for allegedly covering up the infection’s transmission and for acting slowly to stop its dispersion.
scroll.in scroll.in

你一定是在開玩笑
 
blueberryrose

blueberryrose

Well-Known Member
Kassiopeija said:
lol selfowned, nice xD well Orwell was quite right on Brexit .... I can understand why ppl are protecting their rights with hand and feet, but don't you feel that, ultimately, this bane has to go - completely, or it will come back. Think of spidermites... it may even be already too late considering all the new variances which keep turning up... the corrput Chinese could have locked it in their land... no instead they must lie about their numbers or danger playign things down... even the official numbers presented to the WHO/world.
More so that Chinese minister recently even denied their debacle by implying the virus came from somewhere else... lies lies lies (politicians):

“We raced against time and were the first country to report cases to the world,” Yi said during an interview with the state-run Xinhua news agency on January 1. “More and more research suggests that the pandemic was likely to have been caused by separate outbreaks in multiple places in the world.”

“We have stood at the forefront of fighting misinformation, rebutting attempts of politicisation and stigmatisation,” Yi said. “We were determined to make sure that the objective narrative and collective memory of the battle against the pandemic would not be distorted by lies.”

scroll.in

Coronavirus pandemic likely to have caused by global outbreaks, claims China’s foreign minister

Beijing has faced flak from the international community for allegedly covering up the infection’s transmission and for acting slowly to stop its dispersion.
scroll.in scroll.in

你一定是在開玩笑
Click to expand...
Of course the elephant in the room is the fact that Influenza has basically been eradicated at this point. They're saying 98% down from previous years.
So where has it gone? If all mask-wearing, social-distancing and home-staying has eradicated the flu, then why is Covid still raging? Something doesn't add up.

Covid certainly did come from Wuhan China, but what they don't tell you is that it made its way there via Winnipeg Manitoba.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-scientist-sent-deadly-viruses-to-wuhan-lab-months-before-rcmp-asked-to-investigate-1.5609582

and this (note the date)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ebola-henipah-china-1.5232674

What other pathogens were sent to Wuhan that we were studying here in Canada? MERS? SARS?

Remember folks, we've never been told the whole truth of what happened on 9/11. ---->Freedoms were taken away.

We certainly aren't being told the whole truth now about Covid. ----->more freedoms being taken away.

Now get in line for that mandatory vaccine before someone's 95 year-old great-grandfather dies of 'Covid'.

Life can be beautiful if we are free, but this means confronting the risks and dangers of life RESPONSIBLY.

Or, we can choose to live like mindless drones. Consuming, working, but ultimately safe because an all-knowing, all-caring government has us all under its wing.

I know what I prefer.

BR
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
Of course the elephant in the room is the fact that Influenza has basically been eradicated at this point.
Click to expand...
Not in your life, the flu is also a corona-virus, that is, an RNA virus, and it does mutate so heavily even with 4 different types of vaccs its not going to get away... in these times no laboratory, no hospital, no politicans or media will give a f... about the flu. you have it? fine, we got corona on our ass, stay at home until its over. I had that 4 times for now, but there was never any need for any laboratory tests whatsoever, a doc looks into your mouth and that's the diagnosis.

Flu is not going away.
Corona is not going away.
Virusus aren't going away...

that shit is just multiplying and mutating u know how many SARS-2 mutations are there.... 10^5, most make that virus weaker, but all it takes is ONE mutation that is superior in infectivity than the rest and BAM: it takes over. And this is already reality. Multiple.

And the long as this virus stays in the world, the more dangerous it can become. Do not underestimate that danger by thinking it wouldonly affect old ppl. And even at that, are old ppl worthless now all of a sudden? It may be your parents, or ppl that worked harded their entire life to build the country YOU are now living in!
 
blueberryrose

blueberryrose

Well-Known Member
Kassiopeija said:
Not in your life, the flu is also a corona-virus, that is, an RNA virus, and it does mutate so heavily even with 4 different types of vaccs its not going to get away... in these times no laboratory, no hospital, no politicans or media will give a f... about the flu. you have it? fine, we got corona on our ass, stay at home until its over. I had that 4 times for now, but there was never any need for any laboratory tests whatsoever, a doc looks into your mouth and that's the diagnosis.

Flu is not going away.
Corona is not going away.
Virusus aren't going away...

that shit is just multiplying and mutating u know how many SARS-2 mutations are there.... 10^5, most make that virus weaker, but all it takes is ONE mutation that is superior in infectivity than the rest and BAM: it takes over. And this is already reality. Multiple.

And the long as this virus stays in the world, the more dangerous it can become. Do not underestimate that danger by thinking it wouldonly affect old ppl. And even at that, are old ppl worthless now all of a sudden? It may be your parents, or ppl that worked harded their entire life to build the country YOU are now living in!
Click to expand...
Fine. So no getting rid of it no matter what we do then? Fine.

So here are our choices.

1. Live our lives normally, work, go out with friends and family from time to time. Wash your hands. Cover your mouth when you cough/sneeze.
Old people die. Sometimes, young people die too. Sometimes people, regardless of age, die due to poor choices they've made. Sometimes, people die because of poor choices others around them have made. Fine. It's all part of something called life. Life's been around for a long time.

2. Live in constant fear. Stand in line to get all the latest vaccinations as mandated by government health agencies. Fine. Still die because

"Flu is not going away.
Corona is not going away.
Virusus aren't going away... "

You will still get sick from the new "strain", and in the end, you will still die, one way or another.

Look on the bright side, you and future generations will be taxed to DEATH in order to finance the endless waves of high-cost vaccines. Just imagine the trillions that big-PHARMA will make in the long run, off the back of the misery and stupidity of the masses. Fine.

I'm going to suggest to you that we CANNOT continue on this current trajectory of shutting down society, it's simply NOT SUSTAINABLE. We are just now beginning to see the long term harm that all these lockdowns are causing - it's only the tip of the iceberg.

There are many who wholeheartedly believe that we can go on like this indefinitely. More money is coming. Don't worry, more money is coming no matter what happens. Food too. Don't worry. Stay home. We're all in this together. Cause oh, I know that they’ll be better days. :peace:
 
Offmymeds

Offmymeds

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
Fine. So no getting rid of it no matter what we do then? Fine.

So here are our choices.

1. Live our lives normally, work, go out with friends and family from time to time. Wash your hands. Cover your mouth when you cough/sneeze.
Old people die. Sometimes, young people die too. Sometimes people, regardless of age, die due to poor choices they've made. Sometimes, people die because of poor choices others around them have made. Fine. It's all part of something called life. Life's been around for a long time.

2. Live in constant fear. Stand in line to get all the latest vaccinations as mandated by government health agencies. Fine. Still die because

"Flu is not going away.
Corona is not going away.
Virusus aren't going away... "

You will still get sick from the new "strain", and in the end, you will still die, one way or another.

Look on the bright side, you and future generations will be taxed to DEATH in order to finance the endless waves of high-cost vaccines. Just imagine the trillions that big-PHARMA will make in the long run, off the back of the misery and stupidity of the masses. Fine.

I'm going to suggest to you that we CANNOT continue on this current trajectory of shutting down society, it's simply NOT SUSTAINABLE. We are just now beginning to see the long term harm that all these lockdowns are causing - it's only the tip of the iceberg.

There are many who wholeheartedly believe that we can go on like this indefinitely. More money is coming. Don't worry, more money is coming no matter what happens. Food too. Don't worry. Stay home. We're all in this together. Cause oh, I know that they’ll be better days. :peace:
Click to expand...
Do you know the costs of hospital visits? The future costs from the long haulers? The personal costs to many that miss weeks or months of wages when they're sick? The vaccine is a low cost solution.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
blueberryrose said:
Fine. So no getting rid of it no matter what we do then? Fine.

So here are our choices.

1. Live our lives normally, work, go out with friends and family from time to time. Wash your hands. Cover your mouth when you cough/sneeze.
Old people die. Sometimes, young people die too. Sometimes people, regardless of age, die due to poor choices they've made. Sometimes, people die because of poor choices others around them have made. Fine. It's all part of something called life. Life's been around for a long time.

2. Live in constant fear. Stand in line to get all the latest vaccinations as mandated by government health agencies. Fine. Still die because

"Flu is not going away.
Corona is not going away.
Virusus aren't going away... "

You will still get sick from the new "strain", and in the end, you will still die, one way or another.

Look on the bright side, you and future generations will be taxed to DEATH in order to finance the endless waves of high-cost vaccines. Just imagine the trillions that big-PHARMA will make in the long run, off the back of the misery and stupidity of the masses. Fine.

I'm going to suggest to you that we CANNOT continue on this current trajectory of shutting down society, it's simply NOT SUSTAINABLE. We are just now beginning to see the long term harm that all these lockdowns are causing - it's only the tip of the iceberg.

There are many who wholeheartedly believe that we can go on like this indefinitely. More money is coming. Don't worry, more money is coming no matter what happens. Food too. Don't worry. Stay home. We're all in this together. Cause oh, I know that they’ll be better days. :peace:
Click to expand...
Maybe we can defeat it - with science. Who knows what's possible in the future, but if you look in the human history you see how swift things can go. We already use these viruses as vectors for DNA manipulation... and it is because the scientists which call for these limitations now from us, that I trust it. They know best, it's their field, what do you expect. And therefore we also do have these laws in place, it's a necessity and some were imposed as a consequence of the previous plagues. And the more time goes by - as mankind grows in numbers, the threat is becoming more deadly - as we serve as empowering host. The response is actually our defense, do not take this lightheartedly, it's akin to a war. Does it matter how the people lose their lives? As seen by the statistics?

Stephen Hawkins detailed in his books long before COVID-19 the possibilities that we've never been contacted by aliens because of an inherent trait of intelligent spices to wipe themselves out - before they become space-faring civilizations. And your MS buddy did the math on viruses, isn't it? And warns of danger... I still remember a few heavy sicknesses which I had as a baby and child. I would welcome it if all fewer humans wouldn't have to suffer such a throttling time. We did it in the case of polio, and yes, there is always a price attached to that. A sacrifice, or perhaps even an investment?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top