Do you own pets? Want to keep them? OPPOSE HR 669!!!

KP2

Well-Known Member
What? I wouldn't have to do that unless they hurt someone, and in that case...YES. Mine would be grandfathered in, no choice, they were already stripped of their right to live a normal life! Now, it is up to me to provide them with as much of a normal life as possible. Importing more only adds to the problem, and they should make it illegal.
read the bill. there will be no grandfather clause, no list of exceptions. we're talking about mass murder of millions of animals, i can't believe you guys don't see that.

if it's illegal don't you think they are going to take measures to remove the contraband?

read the bill.
 

Sunnysideup

Well-Known Member
Do you have any idea what these exotics even go through? How they have their wings broke and in some cases their beaks snapped off with pliers? This is all so you can own an exotic?? Think about that, think about the animals here, not yourself.
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
wait... so they are going to ban cattle? i have cows that we sell and use for food.. they are not taking that shit from our family... they'll b taking my ass to jail.
 

Sunnysideup

Well-Known Member
Importation of these animals is WRONG, and I find it sad you don't see this...As far as 'them' coming to my home and slaughtering my animals...That is just crazy and will never happen. PLEASE show me where it says this, I did not see it.
 

KP2

Well-Known Member
Importation of these animals is WRONG, and I find it sad you don't see this...As far as 'them' coming to my home and slaughtering my animals...That is just crazy and will never happen. PLEASE show me where it says this, I did not see it.
importation should be halted, i agree. but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with banning the animals that are here now, and bred in captivity.

did you read the part about no interstate travel with your pets? can't leave the state? what happens when you move?

and no, it doesn't come out and say we are going to cremate your animals.... but, if this is made into law (with no grandfather clause or exemptions list), your pets will suffer, and probably die without interaction from the government. pet dealers you buy your food from go out of business, you can't get food. for reptiles, crickets, roaches, mice, rats, any feeder of the sort is BANNED and illegal, your animals starve.

yes, i agree that importation needs to be controlled to the max. i DO NOT agree that any pet but a dog or cat is to be made illegal and banned. i have chickens, goats, pigs..... all illegal?

and here i was worrying about growing pot; now i'll have to cull the garden and grow my eggs indoors....
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
read the bill. there will be no grandfather clause, no list of exceptions. we're talking about mass murder of millions of animals, i can't believe you guys don't see that.

if it's illegal don't you think they are going to take measures to remove the contraband?

read the bill.

"give us your goldfish" :bigjoint:


wtfever :roll:



 

KP2

Well-Known Member
Why don't you just admit you derive income from selling pets......


out. :blsmoke:
my family does. i don't mess with them.

and that has been posted, if you'd read through them all....

i grow pot. in my mind this is much more of an issue than pets. pot is illegal, but i do it anyway. were they right to ban marijuana?

and what i'm admitting to right now is that this bill is being voted on soon. none of you would even know of this bill if i hadn't have posted. please keep retaliating; you're bumping the thread, informing more people. thank you :)
 

Sunnysideup

Well-Known Member
importation should be halted, i agree. but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with banning the animals that are here now, and bred in captivity.

did you read the part about no interstate travel with your pets? can't leave the state? what happens when you move?

and no, it doesn't come out and say we are going to cremate your animals.... but, if this is made into law (with no grandfather clause or exemptions list), your pets will suffer, and probably die without interaction from the government. pet dealers you buy your food from go out of business, you can't get food. for reptiles, crickets, roaches, mice, rats, any feeder of the sort is BANNED and illegal, your animals starve.

yes, i agree that importation needs to be controlled to the max. i DO NOT agree that any pet but a dog or cat is to be made illegal and banned. i have chickens, goats, pigs..... all illegal?

and here i was worrying about growing pot; now i'll have to cull the garden and grow my eggs indoors....
I am sorry, but, I am all for this. We need to do whatever necessary to put an end to exotic breeders. So, thank you for the awareness but I am still for this...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I care for the environment as opposed to peoples selfish tendencies. I don't dig the selfish. It's all about "Iwant" "Iwant". Then as soon as that passes...the pet is either dead or released into a habitat for which it DOES NOT belong....

Simple huh...

out. :blsmoke:
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
i totally agree that people are selfish.. any logical person won't argue with you there. however, i can't comprehend ur last sentence. ur for the bill.. yet saying the animal will be released into the wrong habitat? i take it ur for the part that bans pets, yet against what they are going to do with the pets when passed?

:dunce:
 

Bud Frosty

Well-Known Member
I care for the environment as opposed to peoples selfish tendencies. I don't dig the selfish. It's all about "Iwant" "Iwant". Then as soon as that passes...the pet is either dead or released into a habitat for which it DOES NOT belong....

Simple huh...

out. :blsmoke:
"If a tree falls in the woods and noone is there to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Of course it does but, there are still people arrogant enough about their environment to question it.
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
I care for the environment as opposed to peoples selfish tendencies. I don't dig the selfish. It's all about "Iwant" "Iwant". Then as soon as that passes...the pet is either dead or released into a habitat for which it DOES NOT belong....

Simple huh...

out. :blsmoke:
I was about to rant about how stupid this bill is, but you have a point. These exotic animals deserve to live freely in their habitat, not live domestically caged. A lot of times people treat their pets like shit, sometimes they are treated very well. So... I don't know what to say about this bill. I would love to own an exotic pet but I wouldn't want to rip it from it's home and family.

It just bothers me that the government is taking everything from us. Pets... of all things. Are they planning on taking the dogs and cats eventually too? :?
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
There was a big deal around here a few years ago about "walking catfish" or "snake head fish" or some shit like that. People would have them as pets and then get sick of them and release them into lakes, streams, or ponds, but those fish are able to travel over short distances of land and they were spreading and killing off fish that are supposed to be here.

I think it's illegal to own one of those here now.

Then there's this whole fiasco.....

Asian Carp and the Great Lakes

Asian carp have been found in the Illinois River, which connects the Mississippi River to Lake Michigan. Due to their large size and rapid rate of reproduction, these fish could pose a significant risk to the Great Lakes Ecosystem.

To prevent the carp from entering the Great Lakes, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. EPA, the State of Illinois, the International Joint Commission, the Great Lakes Fishery Commission, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are working together to install and maintain a permanent electric barrier between the fish and Lake Michigan. How did Asian carp get so close to the Great Lakes?

Two species of Asian carp -- the bighead and silver -- were imported by catfish farmers in the 1970's to remove algae and suspended matter out of their ponds. During large floods in the early 1990s, many of the catfish farm ponds overflowed their banks, and the Asian carp were released into local waterways in the Mississippi River basin.
The carp have steadily made their way northward up the Mississippi, becoming the most abundant species in some areas of the River. They out-compete native fish, and have caused severe hardship to the people who fish there.
Chicago Area waterways map showing location of carp barrier (Illustration courtesy of Phil Moy, University of Wisconsin Sea Grant Institute)

The Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, where the barrier is being constructed, connects the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes via the Illinois River. Recent monitoring shows the carp to be in the Illinois River within 50 miles of Lake Michigan. What effects might Asian carp have on the Great Lakes?

Asian Carp are a significant threat to the Great Lakes because they are large, extremely prolific, and consume vast amounts of food. They can weigh up to 100 pounds, and can grow to a length of more than four feet. They are well-suited to the climate of the Great Lakes region, which is similar to their native Asian habitats.
Researchers expect that Asian carp would disrupt the food chain that supports the native fish of the Great Lakes. Due to their large size, ravenous appetites, and rapid rate of reproduction, these fish could pose a significant risk to the Great Lakes Ecosystem. Eventually, they could become a dominant species in the Great Lakes


http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/invasive/asiancarp/
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I was about to rant about how stupid this bill is, but you have a point. These exotic animals deserve to live freely in their habitat, not live domestically caged. A lot of times people treat their pets like shit, sometimes they are treated very well. So... I don't know what to say about this bill. I would love to own an exotic pet but I wouldn't want to rip it from it's home and family.

It just bothers me that the government is taking everything from us. Pets... of all things. Are they planning on taking the dogs and cats eventually too? :?

No, the plan is for you to keep "domesticated animals"...which I have no problem with. The dog and the cat have struck a bargain with us long ago, and we must keep up our end of that arrangement.

Exotic pets die one of two ways...disease through neglect or having a dumb owner...or dying in a landscape it just isn't designed for. If on the rare occasion a "released" animal finds a niche, it will almost certainly be at the expense of a native species, or two, or three. In Florida we have the pythons wiping out the alligator. While a full grown python doesn't wish to tangle with a full grown alligator, it will happily raid the nests and eat the alligators young. The snake then outbreeds the gator by default. Just one example, but there are sadly so many more.

If you wish to keep a snake...keep a LOCAL snake. Treat it with the utmost care, but realize no matter how nice you make his new home.... it's still a cage. :peace:


out. :blsmoke:
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
i agree with a lot of the animals on the list. but that does not make it right to ban ALL pets, for those who are responsible and those who are not. This bill is an infringement of the first amendment!

This is being voted on this month. if you feel they SHOULD do something, or create some special law than help OPPOSE HR 669 NOW!!!!

as stated, connecticut has ALREADY banned these animals, punishable by fines up to 2000$ and confiscation of banned animals. The animals confiscated will be destroyed.
1st Amendment, there's no mythical right to own whatever pet you want. And freedom of expression does not mean Freedom to have bizarre pets as an attempt to some how express yourself through an animal.

Though if you're attempting to express yourself through an animal, I'd advise visiting a pshrink.



Of course, on general principal I think that this entire bill is stupid, but that's government for you. Knee jerk reactionism to perceived problems with out actually contemplating them in an intelligent manner.

Some how it wouldn't surprise me if all these politicians are issued little black books by whatever political party they join that lists the various goals that they need in order to attain their supergoal of enslaving everyone inside the United States.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
There was a big deal around here a few years ago about "walking catfish" or "snake head fish" or some shit like that. People would have them as pets and then get sick of them and release them into lakes, streams, or ponds, but those fish are able to travel over short distances of land and they were spreading and killing off fish that are supposed to be here.

I think it's illegal to own one of those here now.

Then there's this whole fiasco.....

Asian Carp and the Great Lakes

Asian carp have been found in the Illinois River, which connects the Mississippi River to Lake Michigan. Due to their large size and rapid rate of reproduction, these fish could pose a significant risk to the Great Lakes Ecosystem.

To prevent the carp from entering the Great Lakes, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, U.S. EPA, the State of Illinois, the International Joint Commission, the Great Lakes Fishery Commission, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are working together to install and maintain a permanent electric barrier between the fish and Lake Michigan. How did Asian carp get so close to the Great Lakes?

Two species of Asian carp -- the bighead and silver -- were imported by catfish farmers in the 1970's to remove algae and suspended matter out of their ponds. During large floods in the early 1990s, many of the catfish farm ponds overflowed their banks, and the Asian carp were released into local waterways in the Mississippi River basin.
The carp have steadily made their way northward up the Mississippi, becoming the most abundant species in some areas of the River. They out-compete native fish, and have caused severe hardship to the people who fish there.
Chicago Area waterways map showing location of carp barrier (Illustration courtesy of Phil Moy, University of Wisconsin Sea Grant Institute)

The Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, where the barrier is being constructed, connects the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes via the Illinois River. Recent monitoring shows the carp to be in the Illinois River within 50 miles of Lake Michigan. What effects might Asian carp have on the Great Lakes?

Asian Carp are a significant threat to the Great Lakes because they are large, extremely prolific, and consume vast amounts of food. They can weigh up to 100 pounds, and can grow to a length of more than four feet. They are well-suited to the climate of the Great Lakes region, which is similar to their native Asian habitats.
Researchers expect that Asian carp would disrupt the food chain that supports the native fish of the Great Lakes. Due to their large size, ravenous appetites, and rapid rate of reproduction, these fish could pose a significant risk to the Great Lakes Ecosystem. Eventually, they could become a dominant species in the Great Lakes


http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/invasive/asiancarp/
Yeah, if you have a weird pet, and don't want it, then you should either find a new home for it, or have the balls to kill it.
 
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