Do you believe the American government is at war with Islamic extremism or Islam as a whole?

Do you believe the American government is at war with Muslim extremism or Islam as a whole?

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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In "the war on terror", president Bush vocalized his opinion shortly after 9/11;


Obama has since seemingly agreed;


In your opinion, do you think addressing foreign terrorism by addressing the most extremist factions of Islam - Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, the Tamil Tigers, etc.. that, according to president Obama and former president Bush are responsible for altering the perception of Islam in the west is the most effective way to eliminate international terrorism, or do you think Bush and Obama are wrong and that Islam, as a religion as a whole, is to blame for foreign terrorism? Why?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
In "the war on terror", president Bush vocalized his opinion shortly after 9/11;


Obama has since seemingly agreed;


In your opinion, do you think addressing foreign terrorism by addressing the most extremist factions of Islam - Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, the Tamil Tigers, etc.. that, according to president Obama and former president Bush are responsible for altering the perception of Islam in the west is the most effective way to eliminate international terrorism, or do you think Bush and Obama are wrong and that Islam, as a religion as a whole, is to blame for foreign terrorism? Why?
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Islam as a whole is fucked...

Refer to the Koran for moar details.

Remove religion from the public.

You're free to believe whatever horseshit you want, I don't wanna hear about it, see it or die for it.

Secular society ftw.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
Islam as a whole is fucked...

Refer to the Koran for moar details.

Remove religion from the public.
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Do you believe Islam should exist?

If you do, to what extent exactly? Completely private, as in Muslims should not be allowed to pray in public? Somewhat restricted, as in Muslims should only be allowed to pray at their Mosques or homes? Or totally equal, as in Muslims can practice their religion wherever they want?

It's pretty clear you already believe Islamic worship should be a private affair... The only reason I ask is because you seem to be somewhat of a US constitutionalist while simultaneously hating the USA, which is fair enough, this thread isn't about your own personal beliefs and I can't say I disagree with them in a few aspects.. Moving on though.. Do you believe free men and women should be allowed the right to their own personal beliefs? How should a free man in the US who believes in Sharia Law conduct himself? (If this applies to you) How do you reconcile your belief that free men should be able to practice their religion freely, while simultaneously believing that a man's religion is the supreme law of the land - at least to him anyway? You say this, they say that, so who's right, in the end?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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America is currently at war with itself- and cynically uses the War On Terror as the means to extract billions in taxes from the lower classes in order to fund outlandishly expensive weapons and campaigns... that enrich the upper class.

The Muslims are just the bogeymen du jour in an endless fight to continue endless war (fought with soldiers hailing from the lower class) and thereby continue endless funneling of money into the pockets of the rich.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/new-evidence-suggests-that-the-rich-own-our-democracy.html

Did y'all know that the drug wars in Mexico are killing more people than all the conflicts in the middle east combined? Nobody cares because THAT isn't an excuse to pump up the profits of America's war machine.

I'm not being cynical; these are the facts on the ground.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you believe Islam should exist?

If you do, to what extent exactly? Completely private, as in Muslims should not be allowed to pray in public? Somewhat restricted, as in Muslims should only be allowed to pray at their Mosques or homes? Or totally equal, as in Muslims can practice their religion wherever they want?

It's pretty clear you already believe Islamic worship should be a private affair... The only reason I ask is because you seem to be somewhat of a US constitutionalist while simultaneously hating the USA, which is fair enough, this thread isn't about your own personal beliefs and I can't say I disagree with them in a few aspects.. Moving on though.. Do you believe free men and women should be allowed the right to their own personal beliefs? How should a free man in the US who believes in Sharia Law conduct himself? (If this applies to you) How do you reconcile your belief that free men should be able to practice their religion freely, while simultaneously believing that a man's religion is the supreme law of the land - at least to him anyway? You say this, they say that, so who's right, in the end?
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In the US, the constitution is the law of the land. I give you points for a strange question.
 
Moldy

Moldy

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ttystikk said:
America is currently at war with itself- and cynically uses the War On Terror as the means to extract billions in taxes from the lower classes in order to fund outlandishly expensive weapons and campaigns... that enrich the upper class.

The Muslims are just the bogeymen du jour in an endless fight to continue endless war (fought with soldiers hailing from the lower class) and thereby continue endless funneling of money into the pockets of the rich.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/new-evidence-suggests-that-the-rich-own-our-democracy.html

Did y'all know that the drug wars in Mexico are killing more people than all the conflicts in the middle east combined? Nobody cares because THAT isn't an excuse to pump up the profits of America's war machine.

I'm not being cynical; these are the facts on the ground.
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Sadly you speak the truth. WTF can us lowly citizens do about it?
 
tightpockt

tightpockt

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you believe Islam should exist?

If you do, to what extent exactly? Completely private, as in Muslims should not be allowed to pray in public? Somewhat restricted, as in Muslims should only be allowed to pray at their Mosques or homes? Or totally equal, as in Muslims can practice their religion wherever they want?

It's pretty clear you already believe Islamic worship should be a private affair... The only reason I ask is because you seem to be somewhat of a US constitutionalist while simultaneously hating the USA, which is fair enough, this thread isn't about your own personal beliefs and I can't say I disagree with them in a few aspects.. Moving on though.. Do you believe free men and women should be allowed the right to their own personal beliefs? How should a free man in the US who believes in Sharia Law conduct himself? (If this applies to you) How do you reconcile your belief that free men should be able to practice their religion freely, while simultaneously believing that a man's religion is the supreme law of the land - at least to him anyway? You say this, they say that, so who's right, in the end?
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Anybody has the right the believe in whatever nonsense they want. If some dude wants to kneel on a rug 5 times a day I don't give a shit..Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect me in any way. Here's what I never understood about religion. Why isn't it good enough for just them to believe in it? Why is it, more cases than not, they insist that YOU believe it too? What do they care? I have my own beliefs and I couldn't care less if anyone shares them.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Moldy said:
Sadly you speak the truth. WTF can us lowly citizens do about it?
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First, EXPOSE this evil crime against our country for what it is- and hold all those involved accountable for their acts and initiate action to take the money back.

This means passing the word to EVERYONE you know; cannabis friendly or not, Republican, Democrat, independent and politically disinterested alike.

Second, telling those same people that this is their country being hijacked for the enrichment of a very few at the expense of America's very future for EVERYONE. Therefore, citizenship demands they take action; write letters to their elected representatives at the state and federal level, the news media... and of course, all THEIR friends.

Freedom is not free; complacency is rewarded with tyranny- and the very few need to be held accountable for the destruction they've already caused.

Next, sever the links between money, power and force; hold police and military accountable for political action. This has already begun with the federal investigation of institutionalized racism in the Ferguson, MO police department... but needs radical expansion. The military must not be allowed to be dragged into this political conflict. The prison industrial complex must be dismantled; the very idea that private corporations can profit from imprisoning citizens needs to be held up in the light of day and repudiated for the scourge it is on our social fabric.

OUTLAW by Constitutional Amendment the idea that money and free speech are in any way related. A citizen's vote may NOT be influenced by dollars, under penalty of treason. The current system of privately held companies, public corporations (yes, even labor unions), wealthy individuals and even foreign governments being free to shovel money into influencing our political process must end- and the penalties must have nasty teeth for all those complicit in such acts.

Finally, taxation of the many for the benefit of the few must be stopped; never again can the rich be taxed at rates less than the least economically advantaged. We the People must stand with our poorest and most vulnerable citizens and disallow- by shame and legal action- the powerful from separating and segregating themselves from the rest of the country. We stand together as one people, or we all fall like dominoes.

The rich need to be made to understand that action against any part of our citizenry for the purpose of concentrating power or money is totally unacceptable, unethical and against the principles of our nation. This needs to be written into law to prevent it from ever happening again.

The words of Dwight D. Eisenhower were prophetic; either We the People rule this country- or the oligarchs will sell us to the highest bidder.

That should do for a start.
 
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