Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in God?

  1. Yes

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    34.3%
  2. No

    122 vote(s)
    59.8%
  3. Maybe

    12 vote(s)
    5.9%
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    I don't know the origin of the universe because I used logic. To humans, today, using logic is not enough to solve the question of the origin of the universe. That doesn't mean in the future it won't be.
     
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    jonsnow399

    jonsnow399 Well-Known Member

     
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    William Lane Craig is a retard
     
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    jonsnow399

    jonsnow399 Well-Known Member

    On this we can agree.
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

    Science is a process. Logic is part of the structure of that process, but I would say logic falls in the necessary but not sufficient category. The problem with logic is that it works on a garbage-in garbage-out rule. Part of science is making sure what you put in isn't garbage. One can be perfectly logical while still falling for confirmation bias, frequency illusion, cherry picking, ect. Science also needs critical thinking, experimental controls, quantification of unknowns, transparency, and other various quality controls that make up the philosophy of science. But logic and philosophy, on their own, are not science. Science involves posing questions to nature and generating data to work with. Science is a thing you do, it requires action.
     
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    jonsnow399

    jonsnow399 Well-Known Member

    Yeh, the main problem with Craig's argument is that we don't know for sure if the universe had a beginning.
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

    Right, hes taking a rule imposed onto reality by the universe and applying it to the universe itself without justification. But even if the universe did have a beginning, or, as they say, something came from nothing, that still doesn't explain why his logic wouldn't apply to the proposed creator. If something can't come from nothing, where did the creator come from? Even if we give him the benefit of credulity, his logic still defeats itself.
     
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    eye exaggerate

    eye exaggerate Well-Known Member

    The first cause - prime mover - unmoved mover reference was in regard to proper scientists who cared to pursue it. It's back there in the 130 iq / No God convo.

    I'm not an apologist, sorry.
     
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    GreenLogician

    GreenLogician Well-Known Member

    That hasn't progressed beyond speculation, I can recommend some physics lecturers if you want?
    A quickie to start with Sean Carroll - Do Cause and Effect Really Exist? (Big Picture Ep. 2/5)

    "I'm not an apologist, sorry."

    -- That's fine, you've just mistaken apologist's arguments for science.
     
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    eye exaggerate

    eye exaggerate Well-Known Member

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    eye exaggerate

    eye exaggerate Well-Known Member

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    mahiluana

    mahiluana Well-Known Member

    GOD = EVOLUTION (and everthing and everybody is a part of it)

    if there is no evolution @ all ---> there is NO CREATOR @ all

    evolution = ability to reproduce + variation + selection

    Charles Darwin spelled this formula 300 years ago, and told us, that life and creation
    is a long, wet and never ending chain.

    Nobody and nothing can escape from this "game" called evolution - we are all inside - if we want or not.
    It seems to be a universal rule, that even a stone or any other material can`t hide away -
    not our spirit - nor the beauty and the uggly, that we create with this spirit.

    Aristoteles said it much earlier, when he tried to give another brilliant definition of "GOD"

    "THE UNMOVED MOVER" - was even a shorter concept of the same universal rule.

    if @ any time we need a new religion!

    *** I recommend "ART" as the new religion ***

    so please be creator !!! "everybody is an artist"

    As an artist you can learn to celebrate :

    - your abilities to reproduce your soul or any other concept of any other artist
    - your virtuosity
    - trying to select by your own choise

    this can put you in a real position of a god or a king --->

    What if you find out your purpose in life is - to be part of "GOD" and his creation with your own little kingdom ?

    - meaningless only the size of your castle
    - because you are able to travel through time and space
    - ! and state of mind !

    I found it`s a relativ exciting journey to ride on a comet through the univers...
    ... and find my way as a "legal son of GOD " ... trying to maintain this wet chain and protect it against any "mother-earth-fuckers" crossing my trajectory.
     
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    Drowning-Man

    Drowning-Man Well-Known Member

    I believe in the devil.
     
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    neosapien

    neosapien Well-Known Member

    When you were hanging with priests and stroking that penis did you feel any closer to Jesus?
     
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    neosapien

    neosapien Well-Known Member

    You are off your fucking rocker.
     
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    somedude584

    somedude584 Well-Known Member

    Some serious crazy in here
     
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    abalonehx

    abalonehx Well-Known Member

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    abalonehx

    abalonehx Well-Known Member

    I started attending the Church of Joey Diaz and now, have very few regrets.
     
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    Great choice, cocksucka!
     
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    Overgrowthegov

    Overgrowthegov Well-Known Member

    Nothing says I want to poke you like a Cactus.
     

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