Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

generally those who DONT want it legalized are those who are breaking the law in a big way, by either cultivating it for sale, or just selling. they are afraid that their profit margin will dwindle, and thats what will happen. the cannabis cartels will fold up and dwindle away, as well as the illegal cultivators.

it should be legalized, regulated and taxed.

i had a long email conversation with the bills author here in california via email, and was told that if it is legalized in california, the bill will NOT in any way, shape or form hinder or over ride a medical recommendation. furthermore, whats going to change except for those who are growing or selling illegally wont be collectng huge profits off of it anymore. ive been doing this for the last 30+ years myself, and have been a legal patient since the original bills were passed here in ca. i think its hilarious. humbolts in such an uproar right now because of the pending legalization bill in california, wringing their hands and sniveling . why? cause their whole counties economies based on something that, unless you have the proper paperwork is ILLEGAL. there fearing a complete economic collapse. shit, even the goverators for legalization as is alot of politicians in california, they see big dollar signs, pay raises, and lots of funding they need and want. oh, make no mistake, people can snivel and cry about it all they like, but the new laws legalizing it WILL BE VOTED IN this november. as it stands now, over 57% of registered voters in california are for it, plus, its going to brng alot of pro-legalization people out of the woodwork to vote yes on it.


personally i cant wait until its legalized.

im with cheech and chong. they think it will be legalized nationwide wthin 3 years. i tend to agree with them.

Old Man - someone else brought it up but i cannot seem to find an answer - when California passes the initiative - will it let anyone out of jail that is already in there for pot? i remember reading that that was one of the clear goals of this year's propositions, but i don't know where i read that.. can anyone clarify?

I agree. Not on all points but I agree. Decriminalize or nothing if we legalize were just pack pedaling our progress and everyone gives the government something to control. And while were on the subject I urge all oregonians to shut down the cannabis tax and tolerance acts that have been presented. Bad news

I agree its funny about humboldt and I hate these people bitching for the wrong reasons. I'm a medi grower and make no profit from what I do but the last thing I wanna see is cannabis taxed and regulated by the very people who have tried so hard to abolish it

ford442 said:

Old Man - someone else brought it up but i cannot seem to find an answer - when California passes the initiative - will it let anyone out of jail that is already in there for pot? i remember reading that that was one of the clear goals of this year's propositions, but i don't know where i read that.. can anyone clarify?

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it does not address people who are already in jail.

As for people who are already incarcerated, everything ive seen, including oregons bill, does not address the people already in jail. I.E., no amnesty, they finish their terms.

as for decrim instead of legalization, ill say it again, and again, and again until people see it...... Decriminalization = Marijuana Tax Stamp. Enjoy your false sense of security with literally NO real protections.

what ignorance 4 this post

I'd vote legalization

Legalize It, Don't Criticize It.

dirtnap411 said:

Why post the exact same thread in two places? Also, get Firefox, you could use the built in spell check. There are 3 decrim bills up in the next election here in Cali, I'll be voting yes to all 3.

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actually im pretty sure they are all for legalization not decriminalization

Good call. The Union is an amazing film. It explains it ALL better than I've ever heard.

gaining civil rights for the individual has been a long slow road.. we won't just wake up one morning with full government support for things.. so - i feel like any step toward ending prohibition is a good one - it may be a compromise, but i want the initiative to pass just so that we move forward.. i don't think it is the time to hold out for something better - this is our chance to take a step in the right direction even though it is not the last..

ford442 said:

gaining civil rights for the individual has been a long slow road.. we won't just wake up one morning with full government support for things.. so - i feel like any step toward ending prohibition is a good one - it may be a compromise, but i want the initiative to pass just so that we move forward.. i don't think it is the time to hold out for something better - this is our chance to take a step in the right direction even though it is not the last..

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Exactly. If we hold out for something better we could miss this opportunity entirely. After the economy turns around, we'll lose any chance of passing something like this.

LeGaLiZe!

yes, but so what if its taxed if you buy it from a store?

im sorry guys, but i dont see the issue there. 99% of the people i know who smoke also grow. there is a provision for growing in the bill. also, if you are in california and have a legal recommendation, your exempt from the law, and after the california supreme courts decision striking down medical marijuana limits, you can grow and possess all you like, so whats the issue with a tax?




in the last few years, marijuana street prices have already hit rock bottom damn near. when its made legal in november, prices are going to drop even MORE,WAY MORE.

so, lets look at it like this. say right now your paying $240 bucks for an ounce of premo. you can bet that if the laws passed and its made legal for everyone, prices will rock bottom out QUICK. i see ounces after november (within the first year) dropping to anywere from $75 to $125 an ounce for premo. now if your buying it and paying say $75 an ounce for it, and they snack on a $50 an ounce tax, youd still be paying well BELOW what youd have been paying on the street. $125 on ounce (includng the "tax" VS $240+ an ounce? do the math! youd still be paying quite a bit LESS.

and if you dont want to pay a "tax", and you dont grow, its time to start learning how.

also, think about this. californias economy is shit. this law if passed will take a huge wet bite out of californias money woahs, not to mention all of the people that will pick up and move to california just to be able to grow and smoke their own legally, which means an uplift for our economy all the way around. more busiesses will sprig up, which means more jobs,ect.


as far as those already sitting convicted in jail, id bet there will be alot of appeals when it passes and alot of people, (especially the small shit like minor possession,ect) will most likely walk. for those with PENDING charges, id bet the majority of them if not all of them are dropped ( cant convict someone for doing something legal can you, even if it was illegal at the time)

i have no doubt its going to pass.

the main thing is to get the price down below black market value or there will still be dealers and underage dealers... i could almost see a kind of price regulation where you cannot bump the price back up to street value as a store..

i dont think that will be an issue bro. i think soon as its legalized, prices will drop WAY low on the street. think of it like this. theres always going to be a demand from those people who dont want to take the time to grow it themselves,just like any other gardening. take tomato plants as an example, sure, you can buy tomatos at the store al day long, eve vine ripened tomatos, but no matter how they try, you aint gonna find one at the store that even compares to one you grow in your own garden yourself. i think it will be the same way for cannabis. if legalized the majority of smokers will grow their own. quality vs quantity you know. i have to agree with one of the previous posts also. we need to get this voted in in california now. most of the other states look at california as an example state. we pass laws, they see how it works and then pass the same laws in their own states. with the way our ecnomy is, if we dont get something like this passed NOW, when the economy picks up, there wont be a snoballs chance in hell of getting it passed later down the road. right now its a money thing for the state.

Resinator420 said:

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

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I call bullshit. Please list any sources for this because I have a hard time believing it.

Originally Posted by Resinator420

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy."



yea, me too. id like to see some sources myself.

(somethin' else too bro, maybe you should make use of spellcheck before posting someting like that, maybe people would take you a little more serious)

i can see that in HUMBOLT COUNTY, but not nationally. their whole counties economies going to fold when its legalized, and all i can say is its their OWN FAULT. they shouldnt have allowed their counties economy to be based on an illegal activity the way i see it. all i can say is TOUGH SHIT. maybe they should have picked another profession. look at all of the goodies the banks will be repossessing and auctioning off when its made legal cause they cant afford their payments anymore!!!!!!! WHOHOO!..and im gona be standing right there with my fist full of LEGALLY OBTAINED cash to buy their sHit at PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR!


NOTHING PERSONAL bro, but me, i wouldnt even have THOUGHT about posting a comment like that without some sources to back it up posted i the same thread. thats just stupid.

legalize it and then make your business with weed legal. open up a weed bar or something. you want us to keep it legal so that you and other drug dealers can profit off of it and charge people ridiculous prices for decent bud? fuck that. legalize it so that decent people can make decent businesses out of the cannabis culture and industry. not to mention keep them out of jail and able to feed their families. pull your shit together and in 5 years have your own line of organic weed cigarettes. real connoisseurs dont give a shit for mass produced government crap and will still want to taste your delicious fine fruits