Do boveda packs affect smell or taste?

TeW33zy said:

Of course, we do not have a social media presence. It is illegal to grow in our state. However, he does personal grows where he post to Instagram but he doesn't advertise for a social presence. We don't want a social media presence. Infact, the best growers have no social media presence. The worst growers are flooded on youtube and Instagram. The social media market is flooded with 95% of fakes and hermaphroditism traits. 99% of growers fail and 99% are indeed on social media mainly youtube. The best growers I've personally met alongside with Algriculture engineers are not on social media. They neither on sites like this asking for help.

These are medical and algriculture engineers, not social media advitist nor screamers.

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You're so full of it.
If I had half a brain, I'd say you made that page. Your lab is in a relatives basement, and you don't even grow.

I also see you, and your alter ego as this (Respectfully)

What's in a Bovida pack?

Ethylene glycolic ~ 70% rh

Silica ~ 65% rh

Silica + lithium chloride ~65-70% rh

All of these are above range for Cannabis. Of course that didn't stop them from recommending these numbers, based on tobacco leaf data (which is nothing like cannabis flower/resin).

There must be silica + calcium chloride in the packs.


When you add calcium chloride to water, the vapor heats and hydrochloric acid is formed. Many Cannabis volatiles are acetated terpenoids, meaning the volatile is attached acetic acid, a weak acid. Hydrochloric being a stronger acid will displace acetate from acetated terpenoids, creating free acetic acid. This is how Bovida ruined our Cannabis in the one and only study we did.

If Boveda doesn't make your OG Kush smell like vinegar, then you don't have the real OG Kush. Acetated volatiles are characteristic of OG Kush, and are the reason for its popularity. Boveda does research with borneol, linalool, myrcene, limonene etc, not bornyl acetate, linyl acetate, myrcenyl acetate, limonyl acetate, etc. The former are generic cheap easily sourced terpenes which are present is endless things from trees to fruit to meat, but do not characterize these natural products by simply being present. The latter are very characteristic of Cannabis.

Once you get passed the "Weed smells like myrcene pinene limonene" broscience narrative, you can start contributing to this discussion in a logical way. We do flavor trials, and roughly 25% of panelists completely fabricate their own smell and flavor data. A much larger percentage simply cannot detect specific scent molecules, with only the ability to discern functional groups. This is why acetone and the banana methyl heptenones are confused by many people, as they are both ketones. This is why a vast majority of Cannabis is called "gas" when it smells anything from lemons to plastics to fuels; they are detecting alkenes. This is why most people think synthetic banana, isomyl acetate, smells nothing like real banana methyl ketone esters, even though they are very similar in aroma. Most people cannot tell a burnt match from a burning tire from skunk spray, they only detect thiols. These people's opinions can be discounted regarding smell. I'm bit sure the evolutionary function that has inflicted the majority of humans with the inability discern smell, but you can use your imagination after watching a few episodes of Hoarders

I've spent a vast amount of time learning to decode the majority's inability to discern smell and taste and the predisposition to lie about those abilities. Relying on layman input would destroy the flavor industry over the long term, as the human body slowly discern what's good even when the nose and taste buds can't. There are no cannabis experts in the flavor community as they would create flavors of the week that the human body tires of quickly. No one has ever tired of a Snickers bar. This is why Mars is where they are, they work with capable professionals and use real world data, not information from other sectors which are irrelevant to their product, tobacco leaf alkaloids to Cannabis lipids being the noteworthy irrelevant parallel here.

When someone says Cannabis smells like sweet gas for example. I know it does not smell sweet or like fuel whatsoever, but like cannabis that's been overfed phosphorus which it cannot process, altering its phospholipid profile. We know to throw the majority of layman reports out the window, it takes very little to discern who doesn't have honest self reporting. 1/4 of the population is literally pretending they can smell, while another 1/2 have absolutely no discernment of what they are smelling nor its concentration, they simply detect the associated hydrocarbon in a static value.


Its time to stop listening to the layman if you want a future in Cannabis production. Even those with no ability to smell or taste will gravitate toward good tasting cannabis over the long term. Bovida does not provide good tasting Cannabis, it rips the hard work of the plant apart, chemically, as proven by scientific studies which will never be available to layman as no one with a grasp on this concept needs a cult of data worshippers misinterpreting and subsequently disregarding the data. This has an effect on poorly funded research which relies on panelists with more prejudice than skill of discernment.

We support poorly funded research by limiting preconception. It's only pharmaceutical outfits that seem hell bent on creating false narratives and spreading misinterpreted data in the Cannabis realm, namely GW Pharma who grows Skunk #1 and quantifies its lipoxygenase products rather than its useless aroma therapy terpenes.

All of a sudden I got a hankerin for a Snickers.

BeauVida said:

What's in a Bovida pack?

Ethylene glycolic ~ 70% rh

Silica ~ 65% rh

Silica + lithium chloride ~65-70% rh

All of these are above range for Cannabis. Of course that didn't stop them from recommending these numbers, based on tobacco leaf data (which is nothing like cannabis flower/resin).

There must be silica + calcium chloride in the packs.


When you add calcium chloride to water, the vapor heats and hydrochloric acid is formed. Many Cannabis volatiles are acetated terpenoids, meaning the volatile is attached acetic acid, a weak acid. Hydrochloric being a stronger acid will displace acetate from acetated terpenoids, creating free acetic acid. This is how Bovida ruined our Cannabis in the one and only study we did.

If Boveda doesn't make your OG Kush smell like vinegar, then you don't have the real OG Kush. Acetated volatiles are characteristic of OG Kush, and are the reason for its popularity. Boveda does research with borneol, linalool, myrcene, limonene etc, not bornyl acetate, linyl acetate, myrcenyl acetate, limonyl acetate, etc. The former are generic cheap easily sourced terpenes which are present is endless things from trees to fruit to meat, but do not characterize these natural products by simply being present. The latter are very characteristic of Cannabis.

Once you get passed the "Weed smells like myrcene pinene limonene" broscience narrative, you can start contributing to this discussion in a logical way. We do flavor trials, and roughly 25% of panelists completely fabricate their own smell and flavor data. A much larger percentage simply cannot detect specific scent molecules, with only the ability to discern functional groups. This is why acetone and the banana methyl heptenones are confused by many people, as they are both ketones. This is why a vast majority of Cannabis is called "gas" when it smells anything from lemons to plastics to fuels; they are detecting alkenes. This is why most people think synthetic banana, isomyl acetate, smells nothing like real banana methyl ketone esters, even though they are very similar in aroma. Most people cannot tell a burnt match from a burning tire from skunk spray, they only detect thiols. These people's opinions can be discounted regarding smell. I'm bit sure the evolutionary function that has inflicted the majority of humans with the inability discern smell, but you can use your imagination after watching a few episodes of Hoarders

I've spent a vast amount of time learning to decode the majority's inability to discern smell and taste and the predisposition to lie about those abilities. Relying on layman input would destroy the flavor industry over the long term, as the human body slowly discern what's good even when the nose and taste buds can't. There are no cannabis experts in the flavor community as they would create flavors of the week that the human body tires of quickly. No one has ever tired of a Snickers bar. This is why Mars is where they are, they work with capable professionals and use real world data, not information from other sectors which are irrelevant to their product, tobacco leaf alkaloids to Cannabis lipids being the noteworthy irrelevant parallel here.

When someone says Cannabis smells like sweet gas for example. I know it does not smell sweet or like fuel whatsoever, but like cannabis that's been overfed phosphorus which it cannot process, altering its phospholipid profile. We know to throw the majority of layman reports out the window, it takes very little to discern who doesn't have honest self reporting. 1/4 of the population is literally pretending they can smell, while another 1/2 have absolutely no discernment of what they are smelling nor its concentration, they simply detect the associated hydrocarbon in a static value.


Its time to stop listening to the layman if you want a future in Cannabis production. Even those with no ability to smell or taste will gravitate toward good tasting cannabis over the long term. Bovida does not provide good tasting Cannabis, it rips the hard work of the plant apart, chemically, as proven by scientific studies which will never be available to layman as no one with a grasp on this concept needs a cult of data worshippers misinterpreting and subsequently disregarding the data. This has an effect on poorly funded research which relies on panelists with more prejudice than skill of discernment.

We support poorly funded research by limiting preconception. It's only pharmaceutical outfits that seem hell bent on creating false narratives and spreading misinterpreted data in the Cannabis realm, namely GW Pharma who grows Skunk #1 and quantifies its lipoxygenase products rather than its useless aroma therapy terpenes.

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So get a cannatrol?

TeW33zy said:

Of course, we do not have a social media presence. It is illegal to grow in our state. However, he does personal grows where he post to Instagram but he doesn't advertise for a social presence. We don't want a social media presence. Infact, the best growers have no social media presence. The worst growers are flooded on youtube and Instagram. The social media market is flooded with 95% of fakes and hermaphroditism traits. 99% of growers fail and 99% are indeed on social media mainly youtube. The best growers I've personally met alongside with Algriculture engineers are not on social media. They neither on sites like this asking for help.

These are medical and algriculture engineers, not social media advitist nor screamers.

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Sick

BeauVida said:

What's in a Bovida pack?

Ethylene glycolic ~ 70% rh

Silica ~ 65% rh

Silica + lithium chloride ~65-70% rh

All of these are above range for Cannabis. Of course that didn't stop them from recommending these numbers, based on tobacco leaf data (which is nothing like cannabis flower/resin).

There must be silica + calcium chloride in the packs.


When you add calcium chloride to water, the vapor heats and hydrochloric acid is formed. Many Cannabis volatiles are acetated terpenoids, meaning the volatile is attached acetic acid, a weak acid. Hydrochloric being a stronger acid will displace acetate from acetated terpenoids, creating free acetic acid. This is how Bovida ruined our Cannabis in the one and only study we did.

If Boveda doesn't make your OG Kush smell like vinegar, then you don't have the real OG Kush. Acetated volatiles are characteristic of OG Kush, and are the reason for its popularity. Boveda does research with borneol, linalool, myrcene, limonene etc, not bornyl acetate, linyl acetate, myrcenyl acetate, limonyl acetate, etc. The former are generic cheap easily sourced terpenes which are present is endless things from trees to fruit to meat, but do not characterize these natural products by simply being present. The latter are very characteristic of Cannabis.

Once you get passed the "Weed smells like myrcene pinene limonene" broscience narrative, you can start contributing to this discussion in a logical way. We do flavor trials, and roughly 25% of panelists completely fabricate their own smell and flavor data. A much larger percentage simply cannot detect specific scent molecules, with only the ability to discern functional groups. This is why acetone and the banana methyl heptenones are confused by many people, as they are both ketones. This is why a vast majority of Cannabis is called "gas" when it smells anything from lemons to plastics to fuels; they are detecting alkenes. This is why most people think synthetic banana, isomyl acetate, smells nothing like real banana methyl ketone esters, even though they are very similar in aroma. Most people cannot tell a burnt match from a burning tire from skunk spray, they only detect thiols. These people's opinions can be discounted regarding smell. I'm bit sure the evolutionary function that has inflicted the majority of humans with the inability discern smell, but you can use your imagination after watching a few episodes of Hoarders

I've spent a vast amount of time learning to decode the majority's inability to discern smell and taste and the predisposition to lie about those abilities. Relying on layman input would destroy the flavor industry over the long term, as the human body slowly discern what's good even when the nose and taste buds can't. There are no cannabis experts in the flavor community as they would create flavors of the week that the human body tires of quickly. No one has ever tired of a Snickers bar. This is why Mars is where they are, they work with capable professionals and use real world data, not information from other sectors which are irrelevant to their product, tobacco leaf alkaloids to Cannabis lipids being the noteworthy irrelevant parallel here.

When someone says Cannabis smells like sweet gas for example. I know it does not smell sweet or like fuel whatsoever, but like cannabis that's been overfed phosphorus which it cannot process, altering its phospholipid profile. We know to throw the majority of layman reports out the window, it takes very little to discern who doesn't have honest self reporting. 1/4 of the population is literally pretending they can smell, while another 1/2 have absolutely no discernment of what they are smelling nor its concentration, they simply detect the associated hydrocarbon in a static value.


Its time to stop listening to the layman if you want a future in Cannabis production. Even those with no ability to smell or taste will gravitate toward good tasting cannabis over the long term. Bovida does not provide good tasting Cannabis, it rips the hard work of the plant apart, chemically, as proven by scientific studies which will never be available to layman as no one with a grasp on this concept needs a cult of data worshippers misinterpreting and subsequently disregarding the data. This has an effect on poorly funded research which relies on panelists with more prejudice than skill of discernment.

We support poorly funded research by limiting preconception. It's only pharmaceutical outfits that seem hell bent on creating false narratives and spreading misinterpreted data in the Cannabis realm, namely GW Pharma who grows Skunk #1 and quantifies its lipoxygenase products rather than its useless aroma therapy terpenes.

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That's a lot of words, but yeah, no. They contain none of what you mentioned. The salt used in the low 60s range is potassium citrate. Check out the link to the OHSA page.

Week4@inCharge said:

So get a cannatrol?
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God no.

lusidghost said:

Just trust his findings that preserving pot is actually destroying it. You want the volatiles floating around in the jar, not locked up in the bud. Think of a mono layer of water as a prison, and your poor bud was falsely accused of being dank. Now it's forced into being someone's bitch and tossing their salad in the back of a cell instead of being a productive member of society. Is that really what you want?

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ROFLMAO !! "poor bud, falsely accused..." just hold your nose and take the toke torture.

PadawanWarrior said:

Well that's kinda how I'd describe it. I feel like it kinda robs some of the good dank smell. Could just be age though. I have jars that are 4 years old. But so far I'd say it steals a little smell. It doesn't alter the flavor though. I really haven't decided if I'm a fan or not. I think my favorite way to use them is to use them during the burping and stabilatation time. Then when the RH is stable take them out for long term storage. But like I said I'm not sure if I'm a fan or not, kinda yes and no.

How long have you had a pack in a jar for?

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I use them same as you. Used 62% Boveda till rh stable. Removed Boveda and burped down to 55%-57% rh; Still well preserved (55% rh) at 4+ years, but the volatiles are all off-gassed and the base nose and flavor of the first hits on low vape temps are still the same as the beginning tokes. No after or irregular taste/ smells at all. It seems we all can enjoy the nose and taste expressions of the weed, but the volatiles aren't the THC that's getting you buzz. Don't know about you, but that's what I signed up for. I'm a longgggggg term partaker. Micro-doser for the last 30 yrs now.

My process's have always turned out well. I'll be using them and Boveda again in about 70 days. Though I still have about 3.25 oz of the 4+ yr Alaskan indoor grown ganja in climate controlled vault. Hope to have a successfully finished Eleven Roses experience soon .

Cheers All.