Dj Short 20 year old back stock seed sprout.

This is P.F.K # 8. This was the second most beautiful plant ,#8, From the 6 I got to got to sprout, this one along with another one, a female were the two most beautifully structured plants. All plants smelled of almost putrid skunk berry candy and are extremely purple. Out of 6 plants I got one female and 5 males. This was obviously what I thought to be the nicest of the male selections so I'm flowering it out and Im going to collect some pollen from it and play around with it. Maybe on his sister plant from the same PFK seed stock that he came with. His sister aside form being a female is basically a twin to this plant as far as Im concerned and her structure looks exactly like his.

This is the #8 in veg.

And this is PFK #3, the sister of #/8, the boy. And a potential candidate for some of her brother's pollen. She is the only female out of 6 and smells of cocoa. Like sweet earthen cocoa candy skunk .

cool grow

Jd Short said:

This is P.F.K 8. The PFK stands for Purple Fruity Kush. These seeds came directly from Dj Short and are of his pre-blueberry back-stock collection. They are f3's with the attributes of purple fruity and kush. This was the second most beautiful plant ,#8, I got to sprout out of 50+, the seeds are 25+ years old and weren't that easy to germinate. But from the 6 I got to go, this one along with another one, a female were the two most beautifully structured plants. All plants smelled of almost putrid skunk berry candy and are extremely purple. Out of 6 plants I got one female and 5 males. This was obviously what I thought to be the nicest of the male selections so I'm flowering it out and Im going to collect some pollen from it and play around with it. Maybe on his sister plant from the same PFK seed stock that he came with. His sister aside form being a female is basically a twin to this plant as far as Im concerned and her structure looks exactly like his.View attachment 3378195View attachment 3378196 View attachment 3378197 View attachment 3378198

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is the mutations seen in the seeds from genetics or just from being old seeds?

TheChemist77 said:

is the mutations seen in the seeds from genetics or just from being old seeds?

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It's genetic.

Whys that leaf almost white that's out of it hah

Letstrip said:

Whys that leaf almost white that's out of it hah

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There are several different possibilities;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variegation

https://ganjavibes.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/10-odd-realities-with-pictures-about-growing-cannabis-plants/

Kinda looks like a chimera to me.

Hmm very interesting

So can I get a cut of your Blueberry?

Jd Short said:

It's genetic.

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if genetic, why would u want leaf diformities in a plant? i know you have litterally the best blue berry strain, the original!! i had bought 4 seeds and they didnot sprout, not ur fault, i really want the old school original blue berry.. can i buy a seed directly from you? that way i know its the real deal and maybe u can guarenty germination?? please i have wanted it for 20 years and the bb strains i bought that did grow, bcbd bb, and bcsc bb is not what i hoped for..
i also had seeds that popped or cracked open overnight, so i put them in rockwool cubes,i normally have a 99% germ rate w/ growth, however on this one it cracked and once in the cube it did nothing, i gave it a few days and gently looked at the seed, as i said it was cracked but the root had not come out and it was white wen it first cracked but now it was brown, i left it alone, now its been a few more days,brown, think its bad..this has never happend to me before, normally if they pop they grow..anyways 3 out of 5 seeds of this strain did the same thing,only have 1 plant up and waiting on 1 other fingers crossed..old seeds possibly??

TheChemist77 said:

if genetic, why would u want leaf diformities in a plant? i know you have litterally the best blue berry strain, the original!! i had bought 4 seeds and they didnot sprout, not ur fault, i really want the old school original blue berry.. can i buy a seed directly from you? that way i know its the real deal and maybe u can guarenty germination?? please i have wanted it for 20 years and the bb strains i bought that did grow, bcbd bb, and bcsc bb is not what i hoped for..
i also had seeds that popped or cracked open overnight, so i put them in rockwool cubes,i normally have a 99% germ rate w/ growth, however on this one it cracked and once in the cube it did nothing, i gave it a few days and gently looked at the seed, as i said it was cracked but the root had not come out and it was white wen it first cracked but now it was brown, i left it alone, now its been a few more days,brown, think its bad..this has never happend to me before, normally if they pop they grow..anyways 3 out of 5 seeds of this strain did the same thing,only have 1 plant up and waiting on 1 other fingers crossed..old seeds possibly??

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No such thing as "old school original blueberry". Parents were lost a long time ago. But, if you want to spend a lot of cash, you can buy 5 packs and go through the mutations and deformaties and getting something that might resemble an old school blueberry, but dont hold your breath.

althor said:

No such thing as "old school original blueberry". Parents were lost a long time ago. But, if you want to spend a lot of cash, you can buy 5 packs and go through the mutations and deformaties and getting something that might resemble an old school blueberry, but dont hold your breath.

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....strange...I have the parents in my possession. And I did the math....3.2 keepers out of every ten seeds. And they sell for $65 for 13 seeds. So one can either pay the 65 bucks for 4 keepers that are authentic original Blueberry, or they can spend the 500 bucks for one keeper out of 150 knock-off f2's. And by keeper I mean something that equals or surpasses the quality of the parent. Out of 28 females I got 9 that equaled or surpassed the quality of the mother. With the males it would have probably been closer to 4 out of ten keepers. Please troll somewhere else. It's obvious that that's what you're doing. Go away.

Last night the PFK #8 was used to pollinate the #3.
I also have another copy of the #3 in flower now that I will pollinate with the PFK #6 when it's time. I'll try both males and see what happens.

Hey JD, where can one buy these seeds for $65? Only ones I've found are $100+

I call bullshit. First, you knew nothing about DJ's hermie males that DJ has talked about numerous times including in his own book. And now you are claiming to have the original parents that is KNOWN that DJ lost the original parent stock before 2010.

I've also read the same, that the original blueberry seed stock or mother/father plants were lost mid 2000s. But that's the legend/story. That Dj had roughly 200 or so beans from the famous parent stock, then sold some to Sagarmatha, then sold like 50 beans to Dutch passion (who only let DJ suggest parent selection but he had no other involvement after that). And finally he went to canada and I'm sure he sold more of those magic 200. But who the fuck knows and whose going to believe all the lip service. Proof is in the pudding and I have yet to see anything compare with the pheno I got in 2002 from a single ten pack from Dutch passion.

The blueberry I see today, compared to that one dutch passion blueberry pheno I grew in 2002, is a joke and no wonder younger smokers are always bashing blueberry. Sure the one super potent grape/blueberry that I kept was a mutant with twisted leaves and slow growth but few strains compare to that pheno in overall enjoyment both aesthetically and potency/taste wise.

@eastcoastmo I believe there are Blueberry seeds packs at select dispensaries here in oregon and some in colorado and california, though I couldn't tell you if they are indeed $65 but I'm sure that's where he was referring to.

eastcoastmo said:

Hey JD, where can one buy these seeds for $65? Only ones I've found are $100+

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Either directly from me or Dj himself. I am available in oregon and Dj often makes himself available at the premiere cannabis cups like the emerald cup in cali or the high times cup in michigan and or denver. Myself and Dj should be available at the high times cup in oregon this july. Currently there is no distributor offering them for this price. Seeds are generally market up 100% and as much as 200% when not acquired directly from myself or Dj and unfortunately cannot be verified at this time from any major distributor as authentic because they are bought and resold from another 3rd party distributor.

Im not going to get into a flamewar here over the authenticity, production, distribution or price of Dj Short genetics or business practices. What I will say is that Dj Short's Old World Genetics does not work directly with any distribution center and anything offered by any 'premiere' seed bank are bought and resold from another smaller 3rd party seed vender and no proceeds, royalties or payments are received by Dj Short's Old World Genetics from any premiere seed bank offering Dj Short's genetics.

hey guys look another JD Short flame fest, it is really bad for him to continue this path he is on. Has it been a few months already?

Either way I got Seedsman Blueberry in the oven and I will let you all know how she turns out .

althor said:

I call bullshit. First, you knew nothing about DJ's hermie males that DJ has talked about numerous times including in his own book. And now you are claiming to have the original parents that is KNOWN that DJ lost the original parent stock before 2010.

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I claimed to have the parents. And they are 'original.' What didn't I know about the hermi issue...? It came from the chocolate thai according to dj.

The thing is most don't actually know the details of the pre-98 blueberry and don't know what they're talking about when they are asking about the "original" blueberry. What dj offers now IS as original as it gets. This fantom pre-98 Blueberry is a myth and waste of time for me to talk about.
Here, read this;
and please have some respect. This is my grow journal. I don't appreciate the attitude here. Im just trying to share my work. Please, let me do so.


Article from DJ Short.

Europe

Holland

By the early 1990's I was extremely interested in the burgeoning seed market developing in Holland. I had known about the seed banks since 1983 and was always only interested in obtaining more pure, land-race varieties. Unfortunately, there were only hybrid crosses ever available at the time and I had more than enough of my own to work with. By 1993 I finally made the pilgrimage to Amsterdam where I made new connections. In 1994 I connected with the first company that I worked with in Europe. By 1995 I was supplying this company with seed-stock both for sale and for breed work. I had contracted with this company to produce Blueberry, Flo and Blue Velvet.

The first company I worked with in Europe sprouted only 25 seeds of each of these varieties to make selections from. Other than supplying seed-stock, I was only minimally involved in the selection process. I did get to see the mother and father plants alive, however, the selection process had already been done prior by others. Unfortunately, my relationship with this company was short-lived as all the owner really wanted was my seed-stock. Once he had it I became a very low priority in his scheme. In all honesty I was never paid one red cent for any of the Blueberry (or “Flow” or Blue Velvet) that company number one in Europe produced (plus having over 3,000 seeds that I produced completely ripped off).

Needless to say this lack of concern prompted me to seek other possibilities that culminated in my relationship with the second company I worked with in Europe. At this company about 50 seeds of each variety were sprouted, but I was once again mainly left out of the selection process except for sampling a number of finished products and making selections based on those (which is enough, actually). I never got to see any of the live plants from this selection process at company number two in Europe. I also contributed seed-stock for three more varieties there; Blue Moonshine, Blue Heaven and Purple Passion. The owner of this company was satisfied with paying me the minimum amount I would consider adequate. Fortunately, part of the deal was my ability to remain independent and work with whomever else I pleased.

Switzerland

The third company I worked with in Europe was in Switzerland. The owner of this company was able to dramatically push the envelope there and some interesting results blossomed. I visited Switzerland three times between 1999 and 2001 and was truly amazed at what I witnessed on each visit. Out of all of the companies that I worked with in Europe, I felt the most involved and productive in Switzerland. I was involved with selections of finished products and with live mother and father plants as well. I even got to help plant, transplant and harvest a few of the gems produced there.

The varieties produced by the third company that I worked with in Europe included Moonshine Rocket Fuel, Rosebud and Blue Satellite. I must admit that the bubble hash from the Blue Satellite is among the finest and most desirable product I have sampled (outside of my own) since the 1980's! Unfortunately, the owner of this company was unable to successfully work with the local authorities and was forced to leave Switzerland. Some truly intrepid tales were spun during the brief stay there and I will remember many of them with delight.

Canada, The True North Strong and Free

With glimmers of hope on the horizon, Canada is fast becoming the Cannabis Breeding capital of the world. With the much-appreciated activism of entrepreneurs such as Marc Emery (et. al.), a new haven for a seriously dedicated cannabis community is developing. One such entrepreneurial dedicate is Red of Legends Seeds. I met Red in Switzerland where he was very busy and involved working for the happening community there. Red is a high-flying, free spirit with a savvy sense of taste.

Red was able to orchestrate the necessary requirements to produce a very large selection process. This grow consisted of about 400 plants (over 200 Blueberry phenos and over 100 Flo). Out of these there ended up being over 160 Blueberry and over 70 Flo females and about 60 males that made the initial cut. Copies of each of these were cloned and meticulously maintained by the crew. This actually turned out to be a slight overkill, but a testimony to the absolute dedication of the crew.