DIY with Chilled PCB's and cxb3590

spcFLETCH

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Kewl Light Brother. I Have A Question Which Is According To The Header DIY With Chilled PCB's, So How Are They Chilled??
I suppose it's simply because of their array of cooling options. Would you like me to ask? He has water cooling options integrated into his heat sinks as well. Pretty sick!
 

spcFLETCH

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Over engineered and I'll bet uncompetitively expensive.
Go ahead and school us about it haha... Sorry I was heated when I read that. It is his passion. I can see the "Over-engineering" dialog churning in your head. He actually only had a few finished lights to go around. He wanted to sell them so that he could offer a cheaper production model for the hobbyist. He doesn't have a lot of money. This was 6 years of basement work in the making. He had a pretty terrible disorder, which made normal eating habits and regular grocery store veggies unfeasible. So the lights were engineered over the years based on his needs. Now he needs to scratch some capital together so he can put some competitive prototypes together. His light recipe is stellar. I've seen the #s, but like I've said before, its all talk until the bud ends up in the jar... So we'll see.
 

Growmau5

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Over engineered and I'll bet uncompetitively expensive.
apache tech is still in business selling $2300 fixtures. This Chil LEd is in the price ball park of the Kind X5 1000 ($1695). Both companies manage to stay competitive enough to stay in business...

The indoor grow room environment is pretty fucking harsh on gear and electronics. Humidity, high temps, long run times 12-18hrs every single day. watering systems, bugs, etc etc. I don't think its possible to "over engineer" any product to stand up to this kind of environment.

so in conclusion, you are talking out of your ass, lol
 

spcFLETCH

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apache tech is still in business selling $2300 fixtures. This Chil LEd is in the price ball park of the Kind X5 1000 ($1695). Both companies manage to stay competitive enough to stay in business...

The indoor grow room environment is pretty fucking harsh on gear and electronics. Humidity, high temps, long run times 12-18hrs every single day. watering systems, bugs, etc etc. I don't think its possible to "over engineer" any product to stand up to this kind of environment.

so in conclusion, you are talking out of your ass, lol
I was going for a much softer approach haha, I deleted a few replies.. but Vitaly is looking at lowering the price point. There is a 4x2 based on my DIY that he put together. There are also other brilliant ideas that he has which are out of my depth... but nonetheless... over-engineered they are not..
 

ttystikk

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apache tech is still in business selling $2300 fixtures. This Chil LEd is in the price ball park of the Kind X5 1000 ($1695). Both companies manage to stay competitive enough to stay in business...

The indoor grow room environment is pretty fucking harsh on gear and electronics. Humidity, high temps, long run times 12-18hrs every single day. watering systems, bugs, etc etc. I don't think its possible to "over engineer" any product to stand up to this kind of environment.

so in conclusion, you are talking out of your ass, lol
Trust me when I tell you I'm an accomplished tester- to abuse and failure, Sir!

I'm not knocking the basic design, I just see a unit with many parts that do not lend themselves to low cost mass production. I'm not knocking it as garbage. Clearly it works.

As far as me talking out my ass, I'm guilty as charged; so don't spend time downwind of me after dinner at my favorite Mexican restaurant!
 

spcFLETCH

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Trust me when I tell you I'm an accomplished tester- to abuse and failure, Sir!

I'm not knocking the basic design, I just see a unit with many parts that do not lend themselves to low cost mass production. I'm not knocking it as garbage. Clearly it works.

As far as me talking out my ass, I'm guilty as charged; so don't spend time downwind of me after dinner at my favorite Mexican
Trust me when I tell you I'm an accomplished tester- to abuse and failure, Sir!

I'm not knocking the basic design, I just see a unit with many parts that do not lend themselves to low cost mass production. I'm not knocking it as garbage. Clearly it works.

As far as me talking out my ass, I'm guilty as charged; so don't spend time downwind of me after dinner at my favorite Mexican restaurant!
I never doubted your knowledge. However, there were a few assumptions made on your part based on what you've seen. His lights aren't in "mass production". We've discussed design for hours, and he is coming up with some really affordable stuff that will really impress guys with your type of knowledge. I can promise you that. Not everyone wants exhaust manifolds that are reversible. Not everyone needs water cooling options embedded in the heat sinks. This is why there will just be a basic axial fan cooling model for the hobbyist grower and others. It takes time to build the capital to invest in the labor, inventory, etc... to just build a proto.. Ya know what I mean? I hope we can keep the comments Kosher and respectful. Savvy?
 

ttystikk

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I never doubted your knowledge. However, there were a few assumptions made on your part based on what you've seen. His lights aren't in "mass production". We've discussed design for hours, and he is coming up with some really affordable stuff that will really impress guys with your type of knowledge. I can promise you that. Not everyone wants exhaust manifolds that are reversible. Not everyone needs water cooling options embedded in the heat sinks. This is why there will just be a basic axial fan cooling model for the hobbyist grower and others. It takes time to build the capital to invest in the labor, inventory, etc... to just build a proto.. Ya know what I mean? I hope we can keep the comments Kosher and respectful. Savvy?
I commented on what I saw. Nothing more, nothing less. I have only seen his video, so I'm completely unaware of any of the rest of his back story.

I'm excited to hear that he's working on improved models, he clearly has the engineering chops to make great strides.

I'm no stranger to prototyping COB LED lighting.
 

spcFLETCH

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I commented on what I saw. Nothing more, nothing less. I have only seen his video, so I'm completely unaware of any of the rest of his back story.

I'm excited to hear that he's working on improved models, he clearly has the engineering chops to make great strides.

I'm no stranger to prototyping COB LED lighting.
Oh cool, yea there Is a lot more than meets eye. Hope you stick around and watch his company grow man. Ill be sure and follow your stuff too=)
 

OneHitDone

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Go ahead and school us about it haha... Sorry I was heated when I read that. It is his passion. I can see the "Over-engineering" dialog churning in your head. He actually only had a few finished lights to go around. He wanted to sell them so that he could offer a cheaper production model for the hobbyist. He doesn't have a lot of money. This was 6 years of basement work in the making. He had a pretty terrible disorder, which made normal eating habits and regular grocery store veggies unfeasible. So the lights were engineered over the years based on his needs. Now he needs to scratch some capital together so he can put some competitive prototypes together. His light recipe is stellar. I've seen the #s, but like I've said before, its all talk until the bud ends up in the jar... So we'll see.
Does he have a light recipe that will truly replace a 1K hps a 600W or less?
I watched a few of his vids and am jealous of his indoor veggie farm. Clearly he knows his shit and had put in his time.
That said, personally I don't think the greens look too stellar. Lot's of tip burn and weird unnatural shaping to the leaves as has become common to see under led
 

spcFLETCH

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Does he have a light recipe that will truly replace a 1K hps a 600W or less?
I watched a few of his vids and am jealous of his indoor veggie farm. Clearly he knows his shit and had put in his time.
That said, personally I don't think the greens look too stellar. Lot's of tip burn and weird unnatural shaping to the leaves as has become common to see under led
I don't think anything can replace the initial cost of a decent hps... However, put a meter under a Gavita DE and yea... it gets beat @ a lower consumption. So its a loaded question really. Versatility... Yup, we all know a better spread comes from multiple sources... not single source lighting. Any CXB3590 diy with a proper spacing across a 4x4 will provide better numbers than a decent single ended hps fixture over the same space. If I take 4x36" heatsinks and lined them with a proper COB over a 4x4... it will give me a better result than an hps bulb. So its up to the growers values... Is he interested in initial cost? Efficiency? Spread? Long-term savings? Growers house ran a test on gravitas high end fixture. I believe it maxes out @ 1150w. Vitaly's 650w fixture saw similar ppfd...Too many variables to count though. So it doesn't matter until we get real weed in a damned jar haha.
 

Growmau5

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I commented on what I saw. Nothing more, nothing less. I have only seen his video, so I'm completely unaware of any of the rest of his back story.

I'm excited to hear that he's working on improved models, he clearly has the engineering chops to make great strides.

I'm no stranger to prototyping COB LED lighting.
u know i luv u guy. just pulling ur chain a bit. cheers and happy 4th
 

VegasWinner

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Shout outs of course to the RIU community
That is a NICE CoB. I could see mixing two of those with two cxb3590's for a nice color spectrum cover. the cost seems close to a CoB purchase at $68 each Color CoB, with a cxb costing around $45-65 each. Real nice. like it. Wish I saw you before i finished all my lights. peace
Vegas
 
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