distance from bulb ?

was thinking about converting my 600W HPS to a vert. and hang it upside down, will have to remove my cool hood and have no cool tube or any way to fit one ..

now question is, my room is 3x5 feet roughly, will the 3 feet be enough space to keep a plant on both side with a 600W with no cool tube on ?
will of course use a big fan under the bulb blower air up at my 6" ventilation/filter at the top ..


anybody with experience running a single 600W vertical with no cool tube ?

Slip

I haven't any experience with vertical growing but either way if i can get a 400 10 inches or less from my plants then I don't see why 3 ft with a 600 shouldn't be ample with the fan in place.

yea well remember 3 feet have to keep two plants and the bulb in between, so if I have to keep it Etc. 12" away it only give me 6" for each plant

Yeh I see what you mean. Somebody else could probably give you a better answer then.

Would It not be possible to keep a cool tube on it with some modification? Or you could do a vertical scrog.

There's a grow journal of a 1k hps vert grow by Sebastien.....something. He says you lose a lot of the heat when you go vert. Go check it out. He also said you can get the light closer to the girls. The heat will naturally rise so cooling the tent should be easy.

yea also what I have been reading in my attempt to get some answers, that heat is`t as big a problem, Im just a bit concerned, I guess only way to find out is to do a trail run for myself and see once my SoG is done in a few weeks time..

and have also seen them videos/pics of Ppl. making a Scrog with some net around, will do that nomather what just to shild the bulbs from my plants .. and me

dimebag87 said:

Would It not be possible to keep a cool tube on it with some modification? Or you could do a vertical scrog.

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affraid not, unless I buy a new light/ballast or modify the one I have now more then I already did, and I don't like to split it apart



old 600W HPS boot light, works great, but had to make a DIY hood to make it fit, don't want to do much more then fit a net around the bulb to go vertical, if heat will be a problem I might aswell just keep the hood on and do a normal scrog, just like what I see looking at vertical growths

Slipon said:

affraid not, unless I buy a new light/ballast or modify the one I have now more then I already did, and I don't like to split it apart

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old 600W HPS boot light, works great, but had to make a DIY hood to make it fit, don't want to do much more then fit a net around the bulb to go vertical, if heat will be a problem I might aswell just keep the hood on and do a normal scrog, just like what I see looking at vertical growths

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Something like this would be a good mixture of the two.

http://www.growroom.net/board/uploads/1244832502/gallery_35921_2463_171079.jpg

hehe yea, that is a option, but not what Im looking for, all I need to know is if a 600W bare bulb will be to hot in a 3x5 space and if I have enough space to make a complete circle around it, of course useing some netting and a big fan and my 6" vent at the sealing ..

but thats for your time and suggestions

I currently U-scrog but want to try vertical soon.
If I were in your position, I would try a slightly elliptical screen, 3ftx3.5x 4ft high and grow 2 plants around it. You should be able to get the screen within an inch of the walls and still leave room for the branches behind it. Screen area around 40ft square. wow! You would normally need an area over 6x6 to achieve that.

I don't know if this is any help but I veg under 400 wat and flower under a 600 wat. The 600 puts out a lot more heat.

...you can absolutely run a 600 in a space like that, i know a guy who just finished a run in a 3 x 4 x 6 space where he ran 2 stacked 400s.

...anyway, there's another guy i know named 'Marlo' who does a thing called 'Wall of Weed' which, simply put, means you put the screen around the perimeter and anchor your plants to it so they can't grow into the light and it works better than a cage around the bulb because it's just easier access into your grow. (if you do a Google for Marlo and find his W.O.W. thread he grows in a rectangular space with a sloped ceiling and he also runs 2 barebulb 400s but instead of stacking them, he uses a DIY yoyo mover that moves one bulb up while the other moves down, really cool stuff)

...i'd also suggest if you're gonna run vert that you either remote that ballast of spend the money and get a new one, ...if you sell 1 zip for $200.00, that's your new ballast and socket set.

anyway, here's a few pics to illustrate.



peace, bozo

ty bozo

found his thread, look nice, gave me some inspiration for sure, think I will mount my light on the wall (like a candle) and place the plants in a horseshoes like shape around it and use some net so scrog em as I like em, like the fist part of this thread more then the last part (like them pics of yours)

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and I don't sell, its strictly for personal use, I could maybe in time buy two 400W and a cool tube and make a prober one, but I don't like to buy new stuff when the stuff I got works, and I bet I could make a nice vertical grow with one 600W just new to me so I have some doubts about heat, light distance and how much the light actually spreads out and how much I can cover in hight aso but I guess best way to find out is by doing it also want to try out a hempy bucket grow so Im in new territory so to speak lets see

Slipon said:

p.s.

and I don't sell, its strictly for personal use, I could maybe in time buy two 400W and a cool tube and make a prober one, but I don't like to buy new stuff when the stuff I got works, and I bet I could make a nice vertical grow with one 600W just new to me so I have some doubts about heat, light distance and how much the light actually spreads out and how much I can cover in hight aso but I guess best way to find out is by doing it also want to try out a hempy bucket grow so Im in new territory so to speak lets see

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...i know what you mean about selling as i also only grow for personal use but i try to think of money i spend on equipment as an investment taken from all the piles of the cash i no longer spend on crappy weed, lol.

...btw, are you at all handy, electrically? ...remoting a magnetic ballast is pretty simple once you get down to brass tacks, ...and there are lots of threads on rewiring ballasts, ...they even sell kits where you can buy just the components and you assemble them into whatever case you have handy, that's how i got my 400CMH and i mounted the components into an old fireproof strongbox i picked up at the thrift store, lol, although i had to cut a hole in it to fit the transformer. ...and the sites that sell kits provide wiring instructions too

anyway, here's a couple pics, of a couple 150HPSs that i remoted out of discarded fixtures and that 400 i mounted in that strongbox.





peace, bozo

You should be fine. Just buy a floor can and aim it up from below the bulb.
i got 1600w in a 4x4 vertical (strapped 4 bulbs together) not sure if its safe, but so far so good

Sir KK

I always use my hand...and a remote temperature probe helps, but if the light is comfortable on your skin it's comfortable on the plant.

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...i know what you mean about selling as i also only grow for personal use but i try to think of money i spend on equipment as an investment taken from all the piles of the cash i no longer spend on crappy weed, lol.

...btw, are you at all handy, electrically? ...remoting a magnetic ballast is pretty simple once you get down to brass tacks, ...and there are lots of threads on rewiring ballasts, ...they even sell kits where you can buy just the components and you assemble them into whatever case you have handy, that's how i got my 400CMH and i mounted the components into an old fireproof strongbox i picked up at the thrift store, lol, although i had to cut a hole in it to fit the transformer. ...and the sites that sell kits provide wiring instructions too

anyway, here's a couple pics, of a couple 150HPSs that i remoted out of discarded fixtures and that 400 i mounted in that strongbox.

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peace, bozo

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yea your right, I do safe some on "crappy" weed, tho I normally buy Hash, but yea, around 300-400$ a month so I guess I could use some of that on gear

and sure Im handy, my profession is smithy/metal worker/welder (made the cool hood in 3 lunch breaks) and at work we have 2 electricians that I can ask for help if needed, did also think about splitting the poot light apart, but I see no need as I can hang it all vertical ..

TheKushguy420 said:

I always use my hand...and a remote temperature probe helps, but if the light is comfortable on your skin it's comfortable on the plant.

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yea me to, and I have a light meter as well and know about distance/charts for HPS/MH, all I need to know if a 600W placed vertical is to much for a 3x5 space and if I can do it with a bare bulb as my plants wont have more then a ft. from the bulbs