dispensaries no longer legal. fuck.

tricloud

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What would be an adequate amount of sigs? 500k ?? N then wat? Someone sponsors a drafted bill n hope it pass both houses?
Before you collect signatures the wording on the petition has to be approved then printed according to the rules.

Then we collect the sigs and turn them in to be checked by the state. If we collected enough good signatures it goes on the ballot as a proposal in 2014.
 

Tdubb

Member
Time to vote out Justices Young, Kelly, Markman, and Zahra
Exactly right, these are the Conservative republican judges- the people (us) have political recourse. We vote these turkeys outta there and vote in someone who supports our cause. We also have a republican majority in the state house and senate. You guys can't be passive your voices all need to be heard and you must exert your influence to effect change, otherwise you can't be mad when shit like this happens and we face another setback from the conservatives.
 

tricloud

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their just fukin with everyone like they did in Oregon.....cats out of the bag here--just like there...
evr try and put a cat back into a bag???

how you guys out there thinking about the whole 'legalization' thing?? .....I think Oregon is as smart as Cali in their efforts-jmo

.....now that you have to buy it from state stores in Washington and the legalize effort in Colorado you can 'only' have 6 plants and 1oz now---restricted home grows thru legalization--

come on weigh in on this ....some folks here think legalization is the best approach....?.....

what say Oregonians? personally I believe decrim is the best approach--:leaf:
The people in Colorado can buy permits to do Commercial grows, recreational dispensaries and testing facilities. Very similar to how the alcohol industry is set up. It's going to work just going to take a little time just like it did when prohibition was ended.

Will the commercial permits be expensive in Colorado? Probably so. Could we set it up different? Yes...... It's all in the wording. Even if it comes out that permits cost the same as related alcohol permits then good growers could still team together and start their own cooperation's and llc's etc...

Ohio has decrim and look at them.....wooohooo.... Wasn't worth the effort....... If we are going to use our time and money lets do what the politicians do and go straight for the juggler.
 

CyberSmoke

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What would be an adequate amount of sigs? 500k ?? N then wat? Someone sponsors a drafted bill n hope it pass both houses?
we can gather all the sigs you want but when it comes time to vote it will be the special interest groups that will determine the outcome just like they have for quite some time now, when a really good voting day turnout is only in the upper 50 percent of us . the norm is lower 40's its not hard for them to defeat almost anything and its them passing RIGHT TO WORK and NON SMOKING and any NON RIGHTS they can create for a vote. I will be on of the 500k you speak of AND i will vote on it, but MOST won't THAT is the reality of politics they know most of us are just sheep waiting to be shown where to go next.
 

tricloud

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we can gather all the sigs you want but when it comes time to vote it will be the special interest groups that will determine the outcome just like they have for quite some time now, when a really good voting day turnout is only in the upper 50 percent of us . the norm is lower 40's its not hard for them to defeat almost anything and its them passing RIGHT TO WORK and NON SMOKING and any NON RIGHTS they can create for a vote. I will be on of the 500k you speak of AND i will vote on it, but MOST won't THAT is the reality of politics they know most of us are just sheep waiting to be shown where to go next.

I don't know lots of good stuff passed in some major cities that reads like legalization to me. The same thing happened before we legalized medical marijuana. Detroit, Flint, Hazel Park, Traverse City and more voted to legalize medical marijuana 2 years before the state did....

The cities are trying to refuse to comply just like they did when medical marijuana was made legal in some of the same major cities in 2006. These votes are like feeler votes and those feeler votes seem to show that the citizens think enough is enough. Polling was done before they tried the dry run in 2012 and the majority of the people in Michigan seem to believe that marijuana needs to be legalized. Also don't forget that legalization passed in 2 states in 2012. We could have been one of them. Maybe we will be in 2014.
 

tricloud

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it's too bad too i think they were headed in the right direction with that
I wasn't the most happy with the wording but sometimes you have to go with what you have. It wasn't difficult at all collecting the 4000 signatures for them i promise you. We did learn some things though and we have that knowledge going for us this time.

I'm not going to work for a group that left me high and dry like they did. This time it has to be put together by ambitious people who have the time or i'm not going to waste my time....
 

buckaroo bonzai

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The people in Colorado can buy permits to do Commercial grows, recreational dispensaries and testing facilities. Very similar to how the alcohol industry is set up. It's going to work just going to take a little time just like it did when prohibition was ended.

Will the commercial permits be expensive in Colorado? Probably so. Could we set it up different? Yes...... It's all in the wording. Even if it comes out that permits cost the same as related alcohol permits then good growers could still team together and start their own cooperation's and llc's etc...

Ohio has decrim and look at them.....wooohooo.... Wasn't worth the effort....... If we are going to use our time and money lets do what the politicians do and go straight for the juggler.
I can appreciate your sentiment^^^^^^

but here in Michigan we have medical use.....that's not going anywhere--
i think watch Colorado closely....I don't think there is as much room for the little guys as some think....just likeliquor license
how many will each area allow? and to who...? for how much$$$$$$$$???


as far as decrim..? Ohio is Ohio .......in Ann arbor it's :joint:worked fine for the last 40+ yrs!

thats the model I would support--it's also decrim in Cali for oz or less now....as per the last 'failed' legalization effort--

the best thing I like about decrim is it allows most anyone to possess and still keeps people out of jailandkeeps big $$ from controlling the effects....

if your not smart enough to follow the rules laid out you get 'violated' (fined$$) like most biker clubs do to their members or bloods and crips if you step outside of their allready illegal activities....jm2c
 

CyberSmoke

Well-Known Member
I don't know lots of good stuff passed in some major cities that reads like legalization to me. The same thing happened before we legalized medical marijuana. Detroit, Flint, Hazel Park, Traverse City and more voted to legalize medical marijuana 2 years before the state did....

The cities are trying to refuse to comply just like they did when medical marijuana was made legal in some of the same major cities in 2006. These votes are like feeler votes and those feeler votes seem to show that the citizens think enough is enough. Polling was done before they tried the dry run in 2012 and the majority of the people in Michigan seem to believe that marijuana needs to be legalized. Also don't forget that legalization passed in 2 states in 2012. We could have been one of them. Maybe we will be in 2014.
i think we caught them off guard in 2008 an it took them this long to throw the noose back around our throats and NOW they can start to pull on it a little at a time. so i will give you that there are more our there on our side but there are still ALOT of the NOT IN MY LIFETIME folks around to stand up to it. however there dying off fast haaaahhh..
but mostly here in Michigan its the fault of the ''48'' fucking despenceries that sprang up just around lansing with big ole POT LEAVES lite up with neon outside there doors that freaked all those lifetime folks right the fuck out, and i dont blame them. we ruined a very great thing, how many sprang up state wide i have no idea , but i bet its a lot more than was needed
 

tricloud

New Member
I can appreciate your sentiment^^^^^^

but here in Michigan we have medical use.....that's not going anywhere--
i think watch Colorado closely....I don't think there is as much room for the little guys as some think....just likeliquor license
how many will each area allow? and to who...? for how much$$$$$$$$???


as far as decrim..? Ohio is Ohio .......in Ann arbor it's :joint:worked fine for the last 40+ yrs!

thats the model I would support--it's also decrim in Cali for oz or less now....as per the last 'failed' legalization effort--

the best thing I like about decrim is it allows most anyone to possess and still keeps people out of jailandkeeps big $$ from controlling the effects....

if your not smart enough to follow the rules laid out you get 'violated' (fined$$) like most biker clubs do to their members or bloods and crips if you step outside of their allready illegal activities....jm2c
I don't see how decrim keeps people out of jail. Maybe sometimes but you are still vulnerable if they really want you. I want to see it legal across the board. I think many of us don't give ourselves enough credit. We have been rolling with the punches thus far and are still here surviving in a tough game. Even if we have to pool our efforts after the chips fall we might still do way better than you think. I wouldn't mind being a partner in a large commercial op. I also wouldn't mind having competition from smaller ops. Of course there would be other large ops that didn't think the same way.

I'm sure there were plenty of people saying the same thing about alcohol legalization before they ended prohibition yet there have been many small companies allowed to get in on the action also. Change is tough but tough can over come.....
 

tricloud

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i think we caught them off guard in 2008 an it took them this long to throw the noose back around our throats and NOW they can start to pull on it a little at a time. so i will give you that there are more our there on our side but there are still ALOT of the NOT IN MY LIFETIME folks around to stand up to it. however there dying off fast haaaahhh..
but mostly here in Michigan its the fault of the ''48'' fucking despenceries that sprang up just around lansing with big ole POT LEAVES lite up with neon outside there doors that freaked all those lifetime folks right the fuck out, and i dont blame them. we ruined a very great thing, how many sprang up state wide i have no idea , but i bet its a lot more than was needed
I wouldn't say it was more than was needed but the flaunting may have been. On the other hand some shops were quite discrete.

If the shops were making a profit they must have been serving a purpose. I do agree that it can get out of hand but legalization would make it so cities and townships can do their own zoning. I'm all for zoning, I don't think it's appropriate for a liquor store to set up across the street from a school or church etc.

I can also see limiting the number of dispensary licenses they same way they limit liquor license numbers in certain areas. Let the local communities decide how many marijuana establishments they want to allow and where they want to allow them to exist. Could make it so each community needs to allow at least one though or no less than the number of liquor establishments that are allowed....

Yes there are plenty of Ned Never's out there but just as many Alice Always's and plenty that are neutral about using but know that it shouldn't be illegal. I heard plenty people state the same argument about medical legalization yet it passed with flying colors. Don't forget about those "local feeler votes" that just passed....
 
Zoning schmo bing I don't see why a church is privelleged. The "oh so" holy crowd lights up as well, and hell how many people have seen a priest rolled out on communion wine. God makes some people's life more tolerable, and cannabis does it for me. You don't hear me starting a campaign to lock up Christians for being pricks in public. Then again...
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
It was in one of the bills that just passed in December. We also have to get our pictures on our cards. I think the picture thing was made to have another excuse to drag the system down so it takes forever to get cards again.



Not if we all think like that......
There is a link to the actual bills on my website.

Here is the correct information:

2 year cards start in April, prior to that they are 1 year.
There is no picture on the cards, but you will need a state issued photo ID with the card after April.

Any other rumors that need to be clarified?

Dr. Bob
 

tricloud

New Member
There is a link to the actual bills on my website.

Here is the correct information:

2 year cards start in April, prior to that they are 1 year.
There is no picture on the cards, but you will need a state issued photo ID with the card after April.

Any other rumors that need to be clarified?

Dr. Bob
I'm sure if there were you'd be letting me know wouldn't you?
 

tricloud

New Member
Zoning schmo bing I don't see why a church is privelleged. The "oh so" holy crowd lights up as well, and hell how many people have seen a priest rolled out on communion wine. God makes some people's life more tolerable, and cannabis does it for me. You don't hear me starting a campaign to lock up Christians for being pricks in public. Then again...
Believe it or not some of those Christians will vote to legalize if we show them some respect....
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
I'm sure if there were you'd be letting me know wouldn't you?
You were just one of a couple, nothing directed at you.

And yes, folks need correct information. 1 patient, 12 plants, 1 caregiver, five patients was preached by folks that knew what they were talking about, but many listened instead to those that told them what they wanted to hear. Now we are scrambling to try and find those same patients caregivers or teach them to grow. Like was suggested when they started.

Dr. Bob
 
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