Dick Morris's telling article

canndo

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"AN ELECTION THAT THE REPUBLICANS NEEDED TO LOSE – GOOD LUCK OBAMA
By Dick Morris on November 6, 2008
Published on TheHill.com on October 5, 2008
If ever there was an election that was not worth winning, it was the contest of 2008. While it was hard-fought on both sides, had McCain won, it might have spelled the end of the Republican Party. As it is, the party is well-situated to come back in 2010 and in 2012, if it learns the lessons of this year.

Simply put, all hell is about to break loose in the markets and the economy. The mortgage crisis will likely be followed by defaults in credit card debt, student loans and car loans. We will probably be set for two years of zero growth, according to economists with whom I talk. And the federal efforts to protect the nation from the worst of the recession will probably lead to huge budget deficits and resulting inflation. We are in for stagflation that could last for years.

Had McCain won, he would be the latter-day Hoover, blamed for the disaster that unfolded on his watch. Now it is Obama’s problem. With the Republicans suffering a wipeout in congressional elections (although not as bad as they feared), the ball is now squarely in the Democratic court. Good luck!

If Obama raises taxes, the situation could get even worse. With a liberal Congress on his hands, he will be constrained to move to the left, if he needs any pushing. When Clinton was elected in 1992, the Democrats in control of Congress gave him a clear message: Either you govern within the four walls of the Democratic caucus or you won’t get our support. Crossing the aisle to get Republican votes, even including the GOP in negotiations, was a no-no for which the president would pay dearly if he transgressed.
The result was predictable. Moderate initiatives like welfare reform were scrapped, the Congress passed tax hikes and legislation became festooned with liberal amendments. Faced with the need to round up every last vote in the Senate and House Democratic caucuses, Clinton had no choice but to load up conservative bills like an anti-crime measure with liberal pork (like a provision for midnight basketball courts in urban areas) to get unanimous caucus backing.

Obama will have to move left to appease his caucus. He will become their hostage, and they his jailers.
This dynamic will produce extreme-left-wing governance, which the Republicans can blame for the continuation of the recession and for any worsening. The party will recover, fed by anger at Obama’s policies, and will emerge from this defeat stronger than ever.
But the Republicans must learn the lesson of MoveOn.org. Founded in the bleak days of the Clinton impeachment, MoveOn developed a grassroots Internet base. Building up its e-list of activists and contributors, MoveOn laid the basis for the incredible Internet appeal of the Obama campaign. At last count, Obama has 4.5 million donors, most online.

Conservatives cannot count on the Republican Party to fight their battles for them, and certainly cannot count on them to win. The right needs to develop cyber-roots conservative organizations to rival the power of groups like MoveOn.org. The stellar efforts of NewsMax.com and its ally, GOPtrust.com, illustrate the power of such efforts. Together, these groups raised $10 million for an independent expenditure on media in swing states featuring the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American bombast.

And their efforts worked.
Virtually all the polls agreed that Obama would win 52-53 percent of the vote, but the surveys varied in the amount of undecideds they found. On Election Day, virtually every undecided voter went to McCain, and Obama’s final vote share was no more and no less than the 52-53 percent the surveys had predicted. This unanimity among undecided voters is attributable to the endgame of groups like GOPtrust.com and NewsMax.com.

These groups have to lead the way in running media to battle against the leftist legislation that will undoubtedly emanate from the Obama administration and the liberal Congress America has just elected. Then they can become the basis for a Republican resurgence, just as MoveOn.org was this year for the Democrats."


What have we here? Morris flatly states that Repubs left a mess for Obama and were willing to distort his presidency AND screw the country for 4 years in order to perserve the Republican party. What he didn't anticipate was the force and will of the Tea Party faction which drove the right even farther right and instituted their obstructionary tactics. Even Morris seems to agree that Obama inherited this mess.
 

NLXSK1

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  • Even Morris seems to agree that Obama inherited this mess.​




Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
Do you mean while he was SecTreas, or Chief of Staff? cn
 

ChesusRice

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Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
In January 2009, before President Obama had even
taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross
domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top
out at 23.4 percent of GDP.

Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are
lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO
projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent
of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.

One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to
be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the
CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is
expected to come in at 7.6 percent.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
The ADP National Employment Report July 2012 Report
Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 163,000 from June to July on a seasonally adjusted basis. The estimated gain from May to June was revised down slightly, from the initial estimate of 176,000 to a revised estimate of 172,000. Employment in the private, service-providing sector expanded 148,000 in July after rising a revised 151,000 in June. The private, goods-producing sector added 15,000 jobs in July. Manufacturing employment rose 6,000 this month, following a revised increase of 9,000 in June.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
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oops
I guess telling the same lie over and over again doesnt work in the internet age
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Not exactly.

Morris agrees that Obama inherited a mess. The fact that he has only been able to make it worse is purely on Obama's shoulders. 3 1/2 years into his term it is a little late to still be blaming bush for 9% unemployment, trillions of new dollars in debt, a floundering housing market, enormous unknowns in the tax laws, Obamacare, etc...

Regan inherited a huge mess from Carter too. The difference is that Obama is going in the exact opposite direction than Regan with predictably the opposite results.
April 11, 2012
[h=1]In U.S., Economic Indicators Signal Positive Momentum[/h][h=2]Gallup economic metrics hit recent highs in March, and are holding steady in April[/h]by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup's key U.S. economic indicators tell a consistent story of improving economic and behavioral conditions. Americans' self-reported employment status, personal spending, and workplace hiring trends were all better in March than in February, and were improved over March 2011, although still below pre-recession levels.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
In January 2009, before President Obama had even
taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross
domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top
out at 23.4 percent of GDP.

Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are
lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO
projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent
of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.

One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to
be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the
CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is
expected to come in at 7.6 percent.

LOL!!! You keep talking about EXPECTED numbers.

Unemployment was EXPECTED to be below 6%.

Obamacare was EXPECTED to cost less than a trillion dollars.

The recession was EXPECTED to be over 2 1/2 years ago.

Expectations have rarely been met in this administration.
 

ink the world

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LOL!!! You keep talking about EXPECTED numbers.

Unemployment was EXPECTED to be below 6%.

Obamacare was EXPECTED to cost less than a trillion dollars.

The recession was EXPECTED to be over 2 1/2 years ago.

Expectations have rarely been met in this administration.

Imagine where we'd be if the house voted on jobs bills instead of dozens of anti abortion bills, healthcare repeal bills, renaming post offices, etc etc.

Obama has met more resistance and outright blocking of progress than any administration has. Republicans made it crystal clear there #1 priority was removing Obama from office, not helping our country recover. The GOP was handed a huge opportunity in the last election cycle. They reacted with obstruction and endless votes on bullshit bills. Just as I said a while back. They would concentrate on social issues and overreach.

It's kinda tough to run a marathon with a cast on your leg.
 

brotherjericho

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Imagine where we'd be if the house voted on jobs bills instead of dozens of anti abortion bills, healthcare repeal bills, renaming post offices, etc etc.


Obama has met more resistance and outright blocking of progress than any administration has. Republicans made it crystal clear there #1 priority was removing Obama from office, not helping our country recover. The GOP was handed a huge opportunity in the last election cycle. They reacted with obstruction and endless votes on bullshit bills. Just as I said a while back. They would concentrate on social issues and overreach.

It's kinda tough to run a marathon with a cast on your leg.
And now Harry Reid makes sure nothing gets out of the Senate. Or did you forget about dingy Harry?
 

canndo

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I would have thought it was obvious from Morris's article that the GOP intended all along to pin this all on Obama. 1 year or 4 years, the point was to have Obama take the blame while theh GOP runs against him on a situation of their own making.
 

Dr Kynes

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I would have thought it was obvious from Morris's article that the GOP intended all along to pin this all on Obama. 1 year or 4 years, the point was to have Obama take the blame while theh GOP runs against him on a situation of their own making.
There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning.

during the bush administration, the democrat controlled house and senate pushed through a wide array of fucked up laws, including banking "reforms" that forced lenders to take on bad risks or pay fines for being "discriminatory" (when i choose which bank to put my money in, being discriminating in it's loans is a good thing) and the sub-prime mess were created with the assistance of bush,in exchange for his congressionally approved (lol democrats) blank check for wars in iraq and afghanistan. so you pretend that bush ran the nation by fiat as an imperial president, when in fact the ONE thing that democrats claim is the most galling is the ONE thing bush wanted and they voted for. the rest of that shit was the price bush paid for his war's approval

meanwhile obama is helpless before the power of the congressional republican minority for 2 years, and is imprisoned by the slim majority in the congress and minority in the senate now.

congress makes acts, the president has only te power to approve them or not. bush sold that power for a free ride on his wars, obama is just Hoping that thing just Change for his administration. fortunately for barry the left leaningpress will always play the blame-game and hurl brickbats at anyone with a R behind their name as they all "Lean Forward" together. political gamesmanship did not start when barry took office, nor will they end when he is sent to the unemployment line with the rest of the country (who are apparently doing just fine)

take a close look at california's political bullshit and democrats will quickly lose their shine they are currently running this state into the dirt with draconian cuts to al essential state services (including medicare, MediCal, foodstamps, elder assistance, schools, local government funds, and economic recovery projects, while jacking up taxes for the "rich" all to dump Six Million Dollars a Day on High Speed Rail so assholes can get from los angeles to sanfrancisco without going trough the airport screenings.
 

canndo

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The point is that it is not my reasoning but Dick Morris's at the onset of Obama's presidency. He is simply confirming what some on the left have observed.
 

ginwilly

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Right - and Romney will do it faster... how again?
so much of our recovery is psychologically based. If Romney comes in threatening businesses while throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what helps then he won't do it faster. If he can even give the impression of stability, real or imagined the capital that has been in a wait and see mode will relax and the economy will hum again.

The private sector doesn't work because of government rules and regulations, it works in spite of those. I believe Romney understands this, but if he comes in and puts a bunch of Gold Mansachs execs on his team like Obama did nothing changes. The banking institutions have done just fine.
 

Wordz

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I have decided who I'm voting for.
 

canndo

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I'm still looking for someone to tell me why I should vote for Romeny without saying that I should vote against Obama.


About the only thing I've heard is "he is a good business man".
 
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