debate #1

londonfog

londonfog

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OK I have found "THE PLAN" I have question that needs to be answered I ask them in side of the plan that is on his website. Please answer my questions in red for me because his plan does not.

Jobs Plan Introduction

Mitt Romney’s Plan for a Stronger Middle Class is a five-part proposal for turning around the economy and delivering more jobs and more take-home pay for American families. While President Obama continues looking to big government spending programs as the solution to the nation’s challenges, Mitt understands that it is hardworking Americans in the private sector who will achieve economic growth and job creation. His plan will end the middle class squeeze of declining incomes and rising prices, bring back prosperity, and create 12 million jobs during his first term.


  • Part one of Mitt’s plan is to achieve energy independence on this continent by 2020. America is blessed with extraordinary natural resources, and developing them will create millions of good jobs – not only in the energy industry, but also in industries like manufacturing that will benefit from more energy at lower prices. America’s economy will boom when the billions of dollars we send overseas for our oil are kept here at home instead.HOW

  • Part two of the plan is trade that works for America. Mitt believes that trade can offer enormous opportunities for American businesses and workers, but only if they are given a level playing field on which they can compete and win. That is why he will work to open new markets for American goods and services, while also confronting nations like China that cheat on trade and steal American jobs.HOW

  • Part three is to provide Americans with the skills to succeed through better public schools, better access to higher education, and better retraining programs that help to match unemployed workers with real-world job opportunities. How do we better our schools, achieve better access to higher education and retraining programs..and how do we pay for this

  • Part four is to cut the deficit, reducing the size of government and getting the national debt under control so that America remains a place where businesses want to open up shop and hire.How do we cut the deficit

  • Finally, part five of Mitt’s plan is to champion small business. Small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, but they will struggle to succeed if taxes and regulations are too burdensome or if a government in Washington does its best to stifle them. Mitt will pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers tax rates for all Americans, and he will cut back on the red tape that drives up costs and discourages hiring.What regulations and taxes do we end


This plan has very little details... maybe you can fill in the details for me. Then we can move on to his tax plan, Military plan, and other plans with ZERO details on his website.
 
Doer

Doer

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ink the world said:
Lol really?

Which deductions are eliminated in the "plan?"
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This debate was about ideas, not details. And, in fact, Obama has never provided any plan, much less details. They have been blocking budgets for 4 years now. So, don't drink that Koolaid.

The idea, is you lower rates. That gives the boost of confidence. There is now, no pent up demand. Credit is still, if not frozen, then slushy. Business is stalled and the consumers are not borrowing.

But, you want to keep the total dollars of the higher earners, even though they already pay for most of it. So, you make revenue neutral decisions with Congress, most of whom are sick of Obama. You identify in open debate and not try to hide.

His pledge is to not add to the borrowing from China. Congress is not being led by the Whitehouse, but the other way around.

You pick the most useless of the social tinkering tax breaks and credits and cut those, but only for the high earners. The middle class gets the rate cut and keeps the tax breaks. That has always worked. Growth will start when confidence comes back to the small business owners so he can hire more. The uppers still pay for most of it.

Obama's idea is to kill the goose while trying to get one last egg, raises the small business rate to 45% That is BAD.
 
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beenthere

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londonfog said:
OK I have found "THE PLAN" I have question that needs to be answered I ask them in side of the plan that is on his website. Please answer my questions in red for me because his plan does not..


Jobs Plan Introduction


  • Repeal Obamacare
  • Repeal Dodd-Frank and replace with streamlined, modern regulatory framework
  • Amend Sarbanes-Oxley to relieve mid-size companies from onerous requirements
  • Initiate review and elimination of all Obama-era regulations that unduly burden the economy
  • londonfog said:
    .What regulations and taxes do we end
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  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system


This plan has very little details... maybe you can fill in the details for me. Then we can move on to his tax plan, Military plan, and other plans with ZERO details on his website.
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I don't have all day to post information you apparently can't find on the same website I provided you.
So I'll give you a sample that proves you can't find what's in Mitt Romney's plan from just a 5 minute attempt on your part.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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beenthere said:
I don't have all day to post information you apparently can't find on the same website I provided you.
So I'll give you a sample that proves you can't find what's in Mitt Romney's plan from just a 5 minute attempt on your part.
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where is the regulation part ???? and what happened to eliminating loopholes or deductions.


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  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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londonfog said:
where is the regulation part ???? and what happened to eliminating loopholes or deductions.


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  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
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He doesn't have all day...

LOL
 
desert dude

desert dude

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londonfog said:
where is the regulation part ???? and what happened to eliminating loopholes or deductions.


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  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
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The ones listed look pretty good to me.
 
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beenthere

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londonfog said:
where is the regulation part ???? and what happened to eliminating loopholes or deductions.


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  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
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Some of the regulations were listed right above the tax plan I listed, right where you cut my quote out, you sure have a difficult time don't you!

Cmon. it's obvious you're not looking for comparisons in policy, it's a partisan fight you're after.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Cmon. it's obvious you're not looking for comparisons in policy, it's a partisan fight you're after.​
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If he cannot continue the lie that Romney's plan does not have any details, what else can he bitch about?
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
This was about details..without details you can tell me anything. "The devils are in the details" has a meaning for a reason
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First we have to decide the broad strategies. That is what the debate is for. Then the devil should be in public. Why do you support the private devil dealing of the last 4 years?
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
where is the regulation part ???? and what happened to eliminating loopholes or deductions.


​

  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
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What in the world is this if it is not tax regulation and loop holes?
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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Why does Romney have to provide details on his plan when Obama wasn't asked for the same thing? You and the MSM baked this cake, now fucking EAT IT!

He doesn't have to provide jack shit for any of you and neither do we. You didn't provide even a basic vetting of this guy or demand details about ANY of his progressive bullshit.

We gotta elect him to find out what's inside him. Don't like that answer? Tough titties.

Oh looky, the MSM fact checkers are hard at work comparing Romney's claims against the imaginary liberal positions and data. Who woulda thunk that was gonna happen?

It's almost too LOL funny to watch. Full on disaster containment mode by the administration and the liberal talking puppet-heads.
 
Ringsixty

Ringsixty

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Romney 1 - Obama 0

Round 1:
Those of you on the Left STFU and take your Medicine and sit down.
For the guys on the Right. Stand up and do the Wave.

Round 2:
Maybe the Right will have to STFU and take their Medicine and sit down.
Then the Left can do the Wave.
Next debate, I believe will be on Foreign Policy...Should be a Hoot.

Can't wait for the Biden, Ryan debate. Mr. P90X vs. Mr. Gaff
 
thecoolman

thecoolman

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Wow Obama got schooled on how to run the country. No disputing it Romney came
off as more intelligent more competent more presidential more honest and
was the only one with ideas on how to fix the mess were in. America got to see the real Romney
instead of the B.S propaganda spouted by the Obama regime and the liberal media.
 
thecoolman

thecoolman

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londonfog said:
OK I have found "THE PLAN" I have question that needs to be answered I ask them in side of the plan that is on his website. Please answer my questions in red for me because his plan does not.

Jobs Plan Introduction

Mitt Romney’s Plan for a Stronger Middle Class is a five-part proposal for turning around the economy and delivering more jobs and more take-home pay for American families. While President Obama continues looking to big government spending programs as the solution to the nation’s challenges, Mitt understands that it is hardworking Americans in the private sector who will achieve economic growth and job creation. His plan will end the middle class squeeze of declining incomes and rising prices, bring back prosperity, and create 12 million jobs during his first term.


  • Part one of Mitt’s plan is to achieve energy independence on this continent by 2020. America is blessed with extraordinary natural resources, and developing them will create millions of good jobs – not only in the energy industry, but also in industries like manufacturing that will benefit from more energy at lower prices. America’s economy will boom when the billions of dollars we send overseas for our oil are kept here at home instead.HOW

  • Part two of the plan is trade that works for America. Mitt believes that trade can offer enormous opportunities for American businesses and workers, but only if they are given a level playing field on which they can compete and win. That is why he will work to open new markets for American goods and services, while also confronting nations like China that cheat on trade and steal American jobs.HOW

  • Part three is to provide Americans with the skills to succeed through better public schools, better access to higher education, and better retraining programs that help to match unemployed workers with real-world job opportunities. How do we better our schools, achieve better access to higher education and retraining programs..and how do we pay for this

  • Part four is to cut the deficit, reducing the size of government and getting the national debt under control so that America remains a place where businesses want to open up shop and hire.How do we cut the deficit

  • Finally, part five of Mitt’s plan is to champion small business. Small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, but they will struggle to succeed if taxes and regulations are too burdensome or if a government in Washington does its best to stifle them. Mitt will pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers tax rates for all Americans, and he will cut back on the red tape that drives up costs and discourages hiring.What regulations and taxes do we end


This plan has very little details... maybe you can fill in the details for me. Then we can move on to his tax plan, Military plan, and other plans with ZERO details on his website.
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You should of watched the debate Romney answered most of these questions in surprising detail
considering the amount of time given.This was unlike Obama who had no fresh ideas just more of the same B.S.

 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
What in the world is this if it is not tax regulation and loop holes?
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Excuse me but the first plan I put up was about Romneys business regulations cuts that would aid in Romney's so called JOB PLAN.. Beenthere then just jumped to Romneys tax plan without defending his job plan, which are two different things. You guys don't even understand Romneys plan either...kinda hard with no details..here let me show you the two..

Jobs Plan Introduction

Mitt Romney’s Plan for a Stronger Middle Class is a five-part proposal for turning around the economy and delivering more jobs and more take-home pay for American families. While President Obama continues looking to big government spending programs as the solution to the nation’s challenges, Mitt understands that it is hardworking Americans in the private sector who will achieve economic growth and job creation. His plan will end the middle class squeeze of declining incomes and rising prices, bring back prosperity, and create 12 million jobs during his first term.

  1. Part one of Mitt’s plan is to achieve energy independence on this continent by 2020. America is blessed with extraordinary natural resources, and developing them will create millions of good jobs – not only in the energy industry, but also in industries like manufacturing that will benefit from more energy at lower prices. America’s economy will boom when the billions of dollars we send overseas for our oil are kept here at home instead.
  2. Part two of the plan is trade that works for America. Mitt believes that trade can offer enormous opportunities for American businesses and workers, but only if they are given a level playing field on which they can compete and win. That is why he will work to open new markets for American goods and services, while also confronting nations like China that cheat on trade and steal American jobs.
  3. Part three is to provide Americans with the skills to succeed through better public schools, better access to higher education, and better retraining programs that help to match unemployed workers with real-world job opportunities.
  4. Part four is to cut the deficit, reducing the size of government and getting the national debt under control so that America remains a place where businesses want to open up shop and hire
  5. Finally, part five of Mitt’s plan is to champion small business. Small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, but they will struggle to succeed if taxes and regulations are too burdensome or if a government in Washington does its best to stifle them. Mitt will pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers tax rates for all Americans, and he will cut back on the red tape that drives up costs and discourages hiring.
This election presents a clear choice, and an important one: Will America once again be the best place in the world to start a business, hire a worker, or find a job? Or will it continue down the path that President Obama’s borrowing and taxing and spending has led? America is still waiting for its economic recovery and, as president, Mitt Romney will deliver it.



Mitt's Tax Plan

Reducing and stabilizing federal spending is essential, but breathing life into the present anemic recovery will also require fixing the nation’s tax code to focus on jobs and growth. To repair the nation’s tax code, marginal rates must be brought down to stimulate entrepreneurship, job creation, and investment, while still raising the revenue needed to fund a smaller, smarter, simpler government. The principle of fairness must be preserved in federal tax and spending policy.
Individual Taxes​
America’s individual tax code applies relatively high marginal tax rates on a narrow tax base. Those high rates discourage work and entrepreneurship, as well as savings and investment. With 54 percent of private sector workers employed outside of corporations, individual rates also define the incentives for job-creating businesses. Lower marginal tax rates secure for all Americans the economic gains from tax reform.

  • Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
  • Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
  • Eliminate the Death Tax
  • Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
Corporate Taxes​
The U.S. economy’s 35 percent corporate tax rate is among the highest in the industrial world, reducing the ability of our nation’s businesses to compete in the global economy and to invest and create jobs at home. By limiting investment and growth, the high rate of corporate tax also hurts U.S. wages.

  • Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
  • Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
  • Switch to a territorial tax system
  • Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)

TWO PLANS WITH ZERO DETAILS ON WHO, WHAT, WHERE. AND HOW
 
canndo

canndo

Well-Known Member
Kinda like Mitt's military and foreign strategy "we will be stronger".


I like Maddow's explaination "it's like a guy who says he is going to paint his house blue, then paints his house blue and then says... but it isn't blue"
 
thecoolman

thecoolman

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You left out how he will cut loopholes to pay for reductions... Maybe G.E wont need so many accountants and will actually pay tax.
 
londonfog

londonfog

Well-Known Member
thecoolman said:
You should of watched the debate Romney answered most of these questions in surprising detail
considering the amount of time given.This was unlike Obama who had no fresh ideas just more of the same B.S.
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Please I watched the debate along with 17 other people in my home. All agree Romney won on style, but he still provided zero details on how he was going to do what he says he wants to do..
Somethings Romney just flat out lied about.. Do you really believe Romney does not know that companies can get a tax break from shipping jobs overseas ????? please Romneys knows ..he just lied that he didn't. Obama should have called him out.
 
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