DEA Says They Are Still Going To Enforce Fed Law If Prop 19 Passes!

sweetsmell

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This is far from over even if it does pass



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/holder-enforce-marijuana-laws-californians-vote/

Less than three weeks before California voters hit the polls, the Justice Department issued a preemptive message concerning a ballot measure making worldwide headlines.

"Attorney General Eric Holder says the federal government will enforce its marijuana laws in California even if the state's voters approve a ballot measure to legalize the drug," Pete Yost reports for the Associated Press.

He made the comments in a letter to former chiefs of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter, dated Wednesday.

"We will vigorously enforce the CSA against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," Holder wrote.

He also said that legalizing recreational marijuana in California would be a "significant impediment" to the government's joint efforts with state and local law enforcement to target drug traffickers, who often distribute marijuana alongside cocaine and other drugs. Holder said approval of the ballot measure would "significantly undermine" efforts to keep California communities safe.
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An Annenberg Digital News blog notes, "Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and District Attorney Steve Cooley along with former DEA officials are scheduled to announce Holder's position at a press conference outside of Sheriff's headquarters Friday morning."

We know three things:

* Holder called off the DEA last year from targeting medical marijuana operations in the 13 states permitting medicinal use of pot.
* A Justice Department spokeswoman recently said, "It is premature to speculate what steps we would take in the event that California passes its ballot measure."
* Nine former DEA heads wrote a letter to Holder in August, asking him to sue California and prevent Prop 19 from going into effect if it is passed.

Most polls have indicated that Proposition 19 will pass, but a recent Ipso poll might show that the tide has changed. According to the October 2-4 poll, 53% of registered voters in California plan to vote "no" against 44% for "yes."
 

mr2shim

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They said the same thing in 1996 with Prop 215. I posted the articles with quotes from the DEA and other government agencies back in 1996 of them saying things like that before and after it passed in a thread on this forum.
 

guy incognito

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They said the same thing in 1996 with Prop 215. I posted the articles with quotes from the DEA and other government agencies back in 1996 of them saying things like that before and after it passed in a thread on this forum.
14 years and 444 posts?
 

abudsmoker

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not on this site this site was made mid 2006

there was a fallout with overgrow thus spawning many new sites
 

mr2shim

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14 years and 444 posts?
No, I posted links in a thread on this forum from 1996. I have only been a member for a couple months, but the articles were from 1996 or were re-quotes from articles in 96. Here's the post.

The power of google, can bring up the dead.
http://altgreen215.com/2.html

The link below is a pretty good fear based article from 1996 before Prop 215 passed. We seen it 14 years ago, we're seeing it again today. This is the only ammunition the opposing side has, FEAR.
http://articles.sfgate.com/1996-09-28/news/17783006_1_medical-marijuana-medical-rights-heroin-and-crack-cocaine

http://www.maps.org/mmj/hatch2.shtml
THE CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA PROPOSITIONS California's Proposition 215 passed with a vote of 56%. It legalizes the medical use of marijuana for all patients who have the recommendation or approval of their physician. Patients can now possess, grow and use marijuana and still be in compliance with State of California law. Though federal authorities have vowed to fight implementation of the law, several patients facing prosecution under California law have had their cases dropped, many patients have begun to grow marijuana, and new Cannabis Buyers Clubs have been established throughout the state. Dr. Donald Abrams (UCSF) and MAPS' fruitless four and half year effort to obtain federal permission to conduct medical marijuana research still requires, and is unable to obtain, federally-licensed marijuana. Marijuana grown under Prop. 215 cannot be used for this purpose.
http://www.changetheclimate.org/news/medical-marijuana.php
[SIZE=-1]Since the passage of Prop. 215 the United States Justice Department and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) have showed total disregard for this law and trampled on the rights of voters in California. People with cancer, AIDS, and other serious ailments who use medical marijuana to help ease their pain and suffering are being aggressively pursued and prosecuted by the federal government. Federal judges overseeing many of these cases are forbidding these seriously ill patients from making any mention of Proposition 215 or medical marijuana to the jury -- effectively making them look like "kingpins".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]One half of the federal marijuana cases in San Francisco now involve medical marijuana, even though patients covered under Prop. 215 account for just 1% of the state's marijuana users.[/SIZE]
nathenking, I suppose you opposed Prop 215 because you are saying the Govt will do what they did with 215. How many years has it been since Prop 215? 14 now? Of course the Govt, DEA, FDA, HSS and whoever is "against" marijuana will come out and say they will continue to prosecute. THAT is what they do. Instill fear in people. Weak people, it works. Take yourself for example.

Since you fall prey to fear, I suppose you don't have a MMJ card because the fear spread around back in 1996 would have lead to the same thinking you have with Prop 19. I would also go as far to say that you opposed every other MMJ act passed across the US because the DEA will arrest people and do bad stuff. Scary.
Prop 19 is a repeat of 1996. Same deal, with law enforcement. Only thing different is that Prop 19 is for recreational.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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Atty. Gen. Holder To California: You Can't Legalize Marijuana

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder: "We will vigorously enforce the [Controlled Substances Act] against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law"
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder says the people of California can't legalize and regulate marijuana.
Holder sent a letter earlier this week to former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in which he promised that the Justice Department would continue to enforce federal marijuana laws in California -- even if the state's voters approve Proposition 19, which would make marijuana legal for all adults 21 or older and allow localities to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis.

Holder seems to have forgotten that states are the laboratories of democracy in a federal republic -- and he seems to have forgotten that he's our Attorney General, not our daddy.

"We will vigorously enforce the [Controlled Substances Act] against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," Holder wrote in the letter, as reported by The Associated Press.

The letter sets up the prospect of a cannabis showdown between the Obama Administration and the people of California if voters approve the ballot initiative.

To back up the letter, Holder appeared at 10 a.m. Friday morning with anti-pot stalwarts such as Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and notorious Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley, along with the former heads of U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the DEA.

Steve Fox, MPP: "Law enforcement has lost all credibility on the subject of marijuana prohibition and it is time the American people start thinking for themselves on this issue"
​​"The truth is that the use of marijuana -- a substance far less harmful than alcohol or tobacoo -- is widespread in this country and nothing the government can do will ever stop that," said Steve Fox, director of government relations for the Marijuana Policy Project.

"The only question is how we structure the market for marijuana so that it is best for society," Fox said. "Will we have marijuana sold in licensed, tax-paying and regulated stores or will we continue to have it sold in a completely unregulated market that makes it more available to teens?" Fox asked.

"Will we impose standards so that purchasers know the quality and purity of the marijuana they are buying or will we keep it in a far less safe unregulated market?" Fox continued. "Will we have the profits from the sale of marijuana go to legitimate taxpaying American business owners or will they go to underground dealers and cartels who will pay no taxes and defend their interests through violence?"


​"Attorney General Holder is not looking out for the health and the safety of the American people," Fox said. "He is nothing more than the lead advocate for a never-ending taxpayer-funded jobs program for law enforcement officials in this country. If you look at the opposition to marijuana policy reform in this country, it is driven almost entirely by people whose jobs are dependent on arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana-related offenses."

Other than law enforcement, according to Fox, only politicians are defending the status quo of failed marijuana prohibition.

"The only other prominent group is elected officials who ignorantly turn a blind eye to alcohol-fueled violence in our communities in order to pretend they are 'tough on crime' by going after marijuana users who simply want to enjoy a substance less harmful than alcohol in peace," Fox said.

If Attorney General Holder really wanted to keep our society safe from dangerous drugs like cocaine, he and the former heads of the DEA would stop trying to link marijuana with harder drugs, according to Fox.

"Keeping marijuana in the illegal market does not reduce the use of harder drugs; it increases it by forcing teens and adults to purchase marijuana in the same 'stores' that sell those other drugs," Fox said.

"This cannot be stated strongly enough: Supporters of marijuana prohibition in law enforcement, who know that alcohol use causes far more problems than marijuana use, are not motivated by concerns of public safety," Fox said. "They are motivated by a dangerous combination of arrogance, prejudice and self-interest."

"Law enforcement has lost all credibility on the subject of marijuana prohibition and it is time the American people start thinking for themselves on this issue," Fox said.

"States are the laboratories of our democracy," Fox said. "California voters have an opportunity this November to choose an alternative to the failed policies of marijuana prohibition. Sadly, Attorney General Holder is trying to deny them that chance before the election even takes place."
 

Dan Kone

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If Obama spends a lot of resources waging a war against job creating businesses that are legal under state law, he's going to find himself real unpopular. Democrats will be pissed he's fighting legalization, republicans will be pissed that he's interfering with state's rights. It's a lose-lose situation for the federal government to take a long term interest in this. Everyone who's really opposed to legalization votes republican anyways. He can't get their vote. He can only lose democratic votes by doing this. Unless he's actually trying to be less popular, I don't see this fight going very far.

They will probably bust those big Oakland grows and maybe a couple more of the biggest commercial grows then it'll be over. The DEA doesn't have the resources to go around and bust every non-medical club in California. Keep in mind that every for profit non-medical club that opens up will be doing so with the approval of local government who will also be getting tax dollars from those clubs. Because of this local law enforcement won't be cooperating with the Feds.

It would be very expensive and almost impossible for the feds to stop even the commercial businesses. It'll be absolutely impossible for them to do anything meaningful to stop the 25sq ft growing or personal possession that prop 19 allows. Obama is going to be all bark and no bite when it comes to this.

I'd put the over/under on how many people the feds actually go after from this at 30 people.
 

abudsmoker

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If Obama spends a lot of resources waging a war against job creating businesses that are legal under state law, he's going to find himself real unpopular. Democrats will be pissed he's fighting legalization, republicans will be pissed that he's interfering with state's rights. It's a lose-lose situation for the federal government to take a long term interest in this. Everyone who's really opposed to legalization votes republican anyways. He can't get their vote. He can only lose democratic votes by doing this. Unless he's actually trying to be less popular, I don't see this fight going very far.

They will probably bust those big Oakland grows and maybe a couple more of the biggest commercial grows then it'll be over. The DEA doesn't have the resources to go around and bust every non-medical club in California. Keep in mind that every for profit non-medical club that opens up will be doing so with the approval of local government who will also be getting tax dollars from those clubs. Because of this local law enforcement won't be cooperating with the Feds.

It would be very expensive and almost impossible for the feds to stop even the commercial businesses. It'll be absolutely impossible for them to do anything meaningful to stop the 25sq ft growing or personal possession that prop 19 allows. Obama is going to be all bark and no bite when it comes to this.

I'd put the over/under on how many people the feds actually go after from this at 30 people.
keep in mind they can not only seize the assests of the clubs but also of the corp, or owners.
Also we all are on a grow site so you really only see one side of this. there are countless people across the nation opposed to the plant.

Another thing to think of if they bust the same providers and seize the equipment a few times that would be a devistating blow to the operator.
Also one the goverment starts taking hard assets, prosecuting for tax evasion it will really hurt many
 

mr2shim

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I wonder how many of those people opposed to the plant would feel the same if they knew our own Government holds the patent to it.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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You mean this patent? I posted this a little while back, but it is actually OLD news. The patent issued in October 2003 if I remember right. Also, if anyone cares to look at the patent they will see the PCT filing date was way back in 1999. PCT filing is 'Patent Cooperation Treaty' (also known as 'Paris Convention Treaty') This is what's know in the patent trade as a 'Worldwide Patent'. Bet you all didn't know that. Now the U.S. will get a worldwide patent, with 20 years of protection from Oct 2003 onwards.
https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana-news/375786-u-s-government-owns-patent.html

Also they patented the 'synthetic' chemical equivalent , not the naturally occuring plant, since this is NOT a plant patent. This was done so that BIG PHARMA could get thier hands on it, and control the industry with prescription CBN pills. Watch and you'll see. The gears are already in motion.
 
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