Dbl Root Zones

this might be completely retarded, but i got to thinkin a while back. ive posted this before when the site was alot smaller and never really got much of an answer.
ok lets say youve got a female plant thats easily cloned, its 2' tall growing in a bubbler and trained to grow almost laying down. what do yall think would happen if you sliced the top few branches off at the stem. then dipped the top of the stem down in some rooting gel tossed it in some rockwool and down into the bubbler.
seems like 1 of 2 things could happen. either the plant would die,,, or it would make roots where you sliced it. if it did live and get roots on both ends (2 root zones)you could have a huge jump in overall plant growth.
you could either have a massive yielder. something like a single plant SCROG. or a mother plant that would make a ton of clones at a rate a single root zone plants just cant do.
anywhoo what do yall think??? worth trying???
lets get some %'s going. ill give it 50% completely dead plant, 40% never gets roots on the top, 10% it works.

Id think it d die.I say 85 % it dies.I just use a regualr mom as it can give a hundred or so clones at a time

th3bigbad said:

this might be completely retarded, but i got to thinkin a while back. ive posted this before when the site was alot smaller and never really got much of an answer.
ok lets say youve got a female plant thats easily cloned, its 2' tall growing in a bubbler and trained to grow almost laying down. what do yall think would happen if you sliced the top few branches off at the stem. then dipped the top of the stem down in some rooting gel tossed it in some rockwool and down into the bubbler.
seems like 1 of 2 things could happen. either the plant would die,,, or it would make roots where you sliced it. if it did live and get roots on both ends (2 root zones)you could have a huge jump in overall plant growth.
you could either have a massive yielder. something like a single plant SCROG. or a mother plant that would make a ton of clones at a rate a single root zone plants just cant do.
anywhoo what do yall think??? worth trying???
lets get some %'s going. ill give it 50% completely dead plant, 40% never gets roots on the top, 10% it works.

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if your not removing the other rootzone, why do you think the plant would die?

there is a method called layering, it was listed on this site before that prooves this theory very very possible, but the plant isnt going to grow double the roots for you. it's still going to grow what it needs only, in the end you will have the same amount IMHO.

I've been around plants for quite a few years, though never seen anything that would support your thoughts. At least not the whole idea...

I have seen smaller branches on apple trees bent/trained downward into the soil, with the tip of the branch still exposed to the sun light. Its a method of cloning, where the roots are created before the clone is seperated from the "mother" plant.

I think the closest thing to what you're discussing would be to leave that branch attached to the mother to see if the extra set of roots would help out.

The only way to be sure, if you cant find any literature, is to try it out. Let us know how it goes!

Good Luck.

It's a form of layering, if it was in soil, it would be soil layering, but in hydro, I guess it's called hydro layering. It's explained in Marijuana Botany on page 37.

HTH

thanks for the posts. i guess i am talkin about layering in a way, but kinda different. in layering you do pretty much everything i said, but you do that to make clones to be cut from the mother plant. what im thinking about is never removing the 2nd set of roots. have the plant have 2 root balls to make 1 plant grow better for the rest of its life. im wondering if the plant would gain anything from having the 2nd set of roots at all.
heres my line of thinking im sure some will get all up in arms about it, but bare with me. hydro will out grow soil. (most the time) you can get better yields, have better control, and do it all faster with hydro. (most the time) the reason you can do this is because the roots of a plant can take in the nutes from water so much more easily than they can with dirt.(most the time)
as im sure every1 knows you cant get huge yielding plants with tiny roots. roots can only take in "X" amount of nutes in 1 day to feed 1 plant. so if 1 plant has 2 root zones does that mean the plant will be able to take in 2x "X"? if it can wouldnt that mean 2x as much growth/bud? we can pump up the CO2, lighting, or temp to get more growth/buds. seems to me like the uptake of nutes should be the next step.

Well, the whole idea about hydro growing is to concentrate the growth above ground, because we are feeding the roots they don't have to grow to get more food like in soil, so that plant energy is given to growing foliage.

If you'd rather grow a lot of roots, well ...

HTH

what you're describing is called air layering. it is used to create a root system for a clone BEFORE you remove it from the plant. there is a tutorial on this in the growFAQs.

but, instead of removing it (to make a clone) you bury it and let the roots develope. you now have 2 root systems for one plant and in theory this should add to the growth of your plant because: larger root system = larger plant.

i have been planning this technique for my current grow as well. i'm in the process of finding my white widow mother, right now. her children will be air layered.

i have a quick question, can you re veg a female and use it as a mom after flowering??

this is all pretty similar to my arch plant idea, check it out by lookin up "bizarre concept"

diesel said:

i have a quick question, can you re veg a female and use it as a mom after flowering??

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i'm sure you'll hear an oposing opinion. but i've seen george cervantes quoted as saying; a re-veged mother will be majorly stressed and weak and her clones will be as well.

i know you can flower it again but maybe it's best not clone from it.

closet.cult said:

i'm sure you'll hear an oposing opinion. but i've seen george cervantes quoted as saying; a re-veged mother will be majorly stressed and weak and her clones will be as well.

i know you can flower it again but maybe it's best not clone from it.

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i'll be your opposing opinion.

i've revegged several plants to get slips. the statement that the clones will be stressed is only partially true; if you take a sucker branch (the first few branches to emerge from a revegging bud) and flower it immediately, it will certainly be stressed, and will put out stress leaves in flower for a few weeks. it may or may not herm, depending on the hardiness of the strain.

however, if you reveg a mother, and take a clone and veg it out for a bit, or use it to make a new mom, you clones will be like any other from any other vegging plant.

kp

Well, there you go. KP, if you've actually done this, then experience wins out over re-quoting.

closet.cult said:

Well, there you go. KP, if you've actually done this, then experience wins out over re-quoting.

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not only have i done it, i got pix to prove it

wanna see? revegging clones and moms get all freaky looking for a few weeks

I'm not sure if I understand the question or not... are you asking if you can put a cutting into root hormone then into rockwool and into your bubbler? It'll clone if the rockwool stays moist and the conditions are right for cloning.

Now, this might be a completely separate idea. Take a long bottom shoot and scrape down to the cadmium layer, cover in root hormone, cover with a medium and let it grow roots. In essence it would still be one plant growing roots from two separate regions and providing additional foliage. However, the second root structure would not provide water or nourishment to the vegetation growing from the first root structure.

How far off base am I? I am pretty blazed right now and although I read the post about 5 times I'm having trouble remembering where I am and what I'm doing

I never saw this, But I once had a friend of mine tell me about how he had done that. He took a small branch,, scraped off the outer layer of the small branch, then applied root hormones, he then rapped a moist peat puck around the branch, with a bit of dark plastic, and tied it with string. When it rooted, he just cut the branch below the peat puck and planted it

Sounds kind of far fetched, But i believe it is possible. I know for a fact it is possible with other types of plants.

OH HEY!! not meaning to Rob the Thread, But KP, You know I had a 12/12 clone my first try. Then my next try was 0/10. This last go around i followed what you had said in another your post. One thing was to keep them small. I kept them very small. I think I have 10/10 clones of Northern Lights.

Thanks KP for you Glories Knowledge of Cloning

Lord Dangly Bits said:

I never saw this, But I once had a friend of mine tell me about how he had done that. He took a small branch,, scraped off the outer layer of the small branch, then applied root hormones, he then rapped a moist peat puck around the branch, with a bit of dark plastic, and tied it with string. When it rooted, he just cut the branch below the peat puck and planted it

Sounds kind of far fetched, But i believe it is possible. I know for a fact it is possible with other types of plants.

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It'll work. I've done it hundreds and hundreds of times with other plants (I used to work in a green house) using spagnum moss and plastic wrap. There's no reason why it wouldn't work with cannabis. I think what the post was about was growing one plant with two root systems.

Well then it would work to scrape a Branch's and add some Root Gel and stuff it in the ground then wouldn't it? WALLA, two root bases from one plant.

Hmmm, sound like what this thread is about to me.

but would it do any good????? i mean would 2 root balls on the same plant mean some super huge bud, grow clones faster, or that it would get over shock twice as fast?