Cutting 3 weeks off flowering time

BobCajun

BobCajun

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tinhmuonkiep said:
What are you growing? You talk like there is only 1 strain on this earth and it need 10 wks. I think you need to to experience more. A 7-8 week strain if you keep more than 10 week and you call that a top shelf? maybe with bottom buds (if there is light), top buds either rot or the potency is not good anymore. What can you do when most top buds have 90% hairs are brown and the trichomes turned milky already at week 6/7. Keeping another week is not a problem, so chillin already said, but 3 wks.... nah it is best when you start early when top buds due. I never seen a plant that have top and bottom buds 2 feets apart have the same quality, not with horizontal lighting.

Cutting 3 weeks is a method for those who don't know, it is a little bit over saying but it does work. You don't have to chop down all your buds at once, wait another week after you cut all the top so the light can go down to bottom buds, there is the only way for all quality buds. Do I really have to explain this to a well known mem!? With out these speed up med, a 9 week strain need 10 - 11 week for the bottom buds to be ready. Is this why you think "...anything less than 10 weeks just doesn't cut it"?
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It just takes 10 weeks for buds to fully fill out, and that's with fast growing plants. How is another strain going to magically develop the same weight and density weeks faster? The first 4 weeks there's nothing but tiny hair balls. How exactly are full buds going to develop in 2-3 weeks from that? I just don't believe it's possible.
 
BobCajun

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Chillin chillin said:
Use 36 hrs darkness before you flower, the 24 hr light w no water makes them stink to high heaven
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I have read articles that said they got higher levels of several plant products by giving 48 hours continuous light before harvest, in a number of species they tried. They said red light was best for that. So why not 48 hours light followed by 24 or more hours dark to burn off all the starch?
 
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Chillin chillin

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ttystikk said:
FWIW, one of the central tenets of the research I'm doing is improving production and efficiency while maintaining a high quality product. I believe the two goals are not mutually incompatible.

My strains don't all finish right at 8 weeks, either- so I built a finish zone for them to chill and ripen until they're ready. Voila! Demands of production AND quality are both satisfied! How 'bout that?

I'm still reading this thread for tips on how to better control the rate of maturation, he's got a lot of good strategies.
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We found that using MB Ferts vitamins w tricantinal really helps w the frost. That w botanic are mixed tea fed along w the supplements days and 1ml potassium sulfate week 2-4 1.5ml 5-6.5 week really tricks them out. The kool bloom also adds to the trics while speeding up the ripening process
 
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Chillin chillin

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BobCajun said:
It just takes 10 weeks for buds to fully fill out, and that's with fast growing plants. How is another strain going to magically develop the same weight and density weeks faster? The first 4 weeks there's nothing but tiny hair balls. How exactly are full buds going to develop in 2-3 weeks from that? I just don't believe it's possible.
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Your so wrong. I have nicely developed buds week 3
 
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Chillin chillin

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BobCajun said:
I have read articles that said they got higher levels of several plant products by giving 48 hours continuous light before harvest, in a number of species they tried. They said red light was best for that. So why not 48 hours light followed by 24 or more hours dark to burn off all the starch?
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Not sure of the science behind it, just know of how it effects our plants
 
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Chillin chillin

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BobCajun said:
It just takes 10 weeks for buds to fully fill out, and that's with fast growing plants. How is another strain going to magically develop the same weight and density weeks faster? The first 4 weeks there's nothing but tiny hair balls. How exactly are full buds going to develop in 2-3 weeks from that? I just don't believe it's possible.
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You can speed up the flowering process, sit back and enjoy
 
BobCajun

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Chillin chillin said:
Not sure of the science behind it, just know of how it effects our plants
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Here's the article I mean, entitled, Effects of light quality on the accumulation
of phytochemicals in vegetables produced in controlled environments: a review
Zhong Hua Bian,a,b† Qi Chang Yanga,b† and Wen Ke Liua,b*. No way to know if it would have any effect on potency in Cannabis though.
EFFECTS OF LIGHT PHOTOPERIOD
ON PHYTOCHEMICAL ACCUMULATION

Photoperiod is another essential factor in regulating plant growth and development, and the morphological and physiological development of plants can be altered by changing the photoperiod.144– 146 Ali et al.147 found that the highest concentrations of betaiynin, chlorophyll, total antioxidants and total polyphenol in five selected vegetables occurred under a 12 h photoperiod, and the lowest concentrations occurred under a 24 h photoperiod. Similarly, Soffe et al.148 demonstrated that photoperiod extension could increase the plant dry weight of lettuce, celery, beetroot and spinach. Thus, moderately prolonged photoperiods can effectively increase vegetable nutrition.

Recently, researchers have emphasised the function and effects of pre-harvest short-term continuous illumination on plant physiological and morphological development. In 2007, Wu et al.19 used red (625–630 nm) and blue (465–470 nm) LED lights as light sources to investigate the effects of continued illumination on changes in chlorophyll, beta-carotene concentration and antioxidant capacity of phytochemicals in pea seedlings. The data revealed that after continuous illumination for 96 h, the beta-carotene concentration was substantially increased in pea seedlings under red LED light. In addition, Zhou et al.38 studied the effects of pre-harvest short-term continuous illumination on AsA, soluble sugar and nitrate concentrations in hydroponically cultivated lettuce using red and blue LED light (R/B = 4:1) as the light source in a plant factory. During the 72-h continuous illumination treatment, the nitrate concentration declined significantly, whereas concentrations of AsA and soluble sugars were markedly increased after continuous light application for 48 h; further illumination did not result in additional changes in these parameters. Therefore, it suggests that continuous illumination for 48 h before harvest is the suitable strategy for optimising the nutrition of hydroponic lettuce.
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Chillin chillin

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Although I have no clue how this will workout in anything but hydro type systems. The whole soil scene is kind of like soup for the roots
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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Chillin chillin said:
Although I have no clue how this will workout in anything but hydro type systems. The whole soil scene is kind of like soup for the roots
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The speed is probably just the strain and/or pheno you're growing. Hydro definitely produces bigger plants though, as can be seen in the Greenhouse Seeds YouTube channel. They grew several of their strains, one hydro and one organic soil, and the hydros were much bigger and heavier.
 
whitebb2727

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Chillin chillin said:
Let's see a pic of one of your "Mastered" hydro runs or is it just easier to mix all your stuff up and add water since that seems to be your system. Is that because your hydro was lacking and this is everything mixed up?
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Don't take it personal.

Like I said, it is what it is.

People rush cannabis and cut early. People have bred indica into the genes for faster maturity.

There are very few true 8 weekers out there.

I never said you haven't mastered it.

I won't grow hydro. I prefer organic buds. Not saying that hydro is bad, I just don't like hydro buds.

You can huff and puff all you want. The truth is that your running speed production for money. Nothing wrong with that.

If helping people was really the goal you would allow for all the cannabinoids to developed.

Now, once again, I'm not knocking your grow.

I like your setup. I just don't believe that your getting the most out of those buds.

Nothing personal and not attacking your grow style.
ttystikk said:
FWIW, one of the central tenets of the research I'm doing is improving production and efficiency while maintaining a high quality product. I believe the two goals are not mutually incompatible.

My strains don't all finish right at 8 weeks, either- so I built a finish zone for them to chill and ripen until they're ready. Voila! Demands of production AND quality are both satisfied! How 'bout that?

I'm still reading this thread for tips on how to better control the rate of maturation, he's got a lot of good strategies.
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I'm not denying he has good strategies or grow skills.

I'm just saying the setup is for speed of production and money making.

I don't doubt chillen is shaving some time off but still could use a little more time.



I don't know why people got to take things so personal.



@Chillin chillin

I like the setup. Rock on man.
 
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tinhmuonkiep

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BobCajun said:
It just takes 10 weeks for buds to fully fill out, and that's with fast growing plants. How is another strain going to magically develop the same weight and density weeks faster? The first 4 weeks there's nothing but tiny hair balls. How exactly are full buds going to develop in 2-3 weeks from that? I just don't believe it's possible.
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Your problem is right there, try before you come to a conclusion. You don't need to do anything much, just buy a bottle of Bud blood and try it out for yourself. It it full strength on your healthy plan, you will see hairs/buds within 10 days, by 2 - 3 weeks you will experience something new in your live, period. It is useless if you keep debate without trying. Until people can prove that bud blood is something bad like PGR, you can't say it is not good right?
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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tinhmuonkiep said:
Your problem is right there, try before you come to a conclusion. You don't need to do anything much, just buy a bottle of Bud blood and try it out for yourself. It it full strength on your healthy plan, you will see hairs/buds within 10 days, by 2 - 3 weeks you will experience something new in your live, period. It is useless if you keep debate without trying. Until people can prove that bud blood is something bad like PGR, you can't say it is not good right?
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Okay, maybe I will. Just never heard of it before.
 
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Chillin chillin

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I've said it before, the way we feed, what we feed,the amounts we feed, our lil light manipulation, having rooms tuned in all plays a roll in the speed up game.
We have other teams that work w the collective, many have gone, very few still here. We out rock them all around. Weight per year, bag appeal, retail value. We take the cake for a reason. I'm just putting it out there, you can run w it or not. Up to you but I refuse to have people chime in w bla bla bla doesn't work bla bla bla
It works guys, watch and see
 
BobCajun

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Chillin chillin said:
I've said it before, the way we feed, what we feed,the amounts we feed, our lil light manipulation, having rooms tuned in all plays a roll in the speed up game.
We have other teams that work w the collective, many have gone, very few still here. We out rock them all around. Weight per year, bag appeal, retail value. We take the cake for a reason. I'm just putting it out there, you can run w it or not. Up to you but I refuse to have people chime in w bla bla bla doesn't work bla bla bla
It works guys, watch and see
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Well if you're getting bud rot you obviously haven't dialed in the humidity and ventilation. Dry air is known to increase THC.
 
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Chillin chillin

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It's not from excess humidity. The stems have moister and the buds are very fat and dense. This causes for no circulation inside the buds. The room is tip top. We stay where we want to be day and night. No fluctuation from night/day temps, big kick ass blue dehumidifiers in every room, exhaust fans that exhaust and recycle air thru out the day and exhaust excess humidity out Asa lights shut off.
 
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tinhmuonkiep

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BobCajun said:
Okay, maybe I will. Just never heard of it before.
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Wow, lol, and people keep..., not fair at all.
Anyway, I didn't believe till I tried, it is only $45 at my local store, you don't even have to use both bood and ignitor, just buy the blood and try. You may not cut it 3wks, but at lease 1 wk for sure. If you don't see any different, there is nothing to loose, just return it to your store and get your money back, they clearly have it on the label.
I don't like AN at all, but it is the only thing I know that can replace for PGR right now (for the part forming early buds). I've never tried AN nutes before because I don't see much advantages beside the PH perfect. However, I always listen and try something new when I find it reasonable which is why I tried bud blood. Of course this is not a good habit if you don't have enough knowledge, I paid my price sometimes . This round I will combine it with Ignitor to see if there is any different as chillin method.

Since you never hear bud blood I assume you don't know what is the "vitamins" that chillin been using in his nutes. So I have the right to assume you never had a really good crop. Unless you use something like full line of nutes from some nutes company, your buds potency can't compare to chillin because from my knowledge, I can see he is using mostly all the supplements which a full line nutes can offer.

I think you mainly focus on cooking some trichomes you buds can offer to make them best while we try to make tons of trichomes... You know what I mean? You have 5 trichomes / grade A+ while we have 10 grade A, we can't wait to get + because too much trichromes make buds rot. It is not from ventilation, we passed that point.
 

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Chillin chillin

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tinhmuonkiep said:
Wow, lol, and people keep..., not fair at all.
Anyway, I didn't believe till I tried, it is only $45 at my local store, you don't even have to use both bood and ignitor, just buy the blood and try. You may not cut it 3wks, but at lease 1 wk for sure. If you don't see any different, there is nothing to loose, just return it to your store and get your money back, they clearly have it on the label.
I don't like AN at all, but it is the only thing I know that can replace for PGR right now (for the part forming early buds). I've never tried AN nutes before because I don't see much advantages beside the PH perfect. However, I always listen and try something new when I find it reasonable which is why I tried bud blood. Of course this is not a good habit if you don't have enough knowledge, I paid my price sometimes . This round I will combine it with Ignitor to see if there is any different as chillin method.

Since you never hear bud blood I assume you don't know what is the "vitamins" that chillin been using in his nutes. So I have the right to assume you never had a really good crop. Unless you use something like full line of nutes from some nutes company, your buds potency can't compare to chillin because from my knowledge, I can see he is using mostly all the supplements which a full line nutes can offer.

I think you mainly focus on cooking some trichomes you buds can offer to make them best while we try to make tons of trichomes... You know what I mean? You have 5 trichomes / grade A+ while we have 10 grade A, we can't wait to get + because too much trichromes make buds rot. It is not from ventilation, we passed that point.
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Blood bud plus 36 hrs dark before 12/12 cuts about 10 days out, the way we keep roots damp to moist always never wet cuts time out, feeding a and b for 2 days(high poems) supplements for 3 days ( full strength, mid ppms) and Cal mag last 2 daysw vit and such daily( low ppms) kool bloom full strength week 6 2x week 7,rooms dialed in, big bud and overdrive all together w 24 hrs lights on and no water last prior to chop ALL TOGETHER CUT WEEKS OFF OF FLOWERING TIMES on all strains.
Just don't want somebody misinterpreting what all goes on w what we do
Although it is bits and pieces that make the puzzle
 
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tinhmuonkiep

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Chillin chillin said:
Blood bud plus 36 hrs dark before 12/12 cuts about 10 days out, the way we keep roots damp to moist always never wet cuts time out, feeding a and b for 2 days(high poems) supplements
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My friend also use your 36h method but I don't believe much because his yield is not better than mine. I'll reconsider it this round. So light off for 3 days, do you count this 3 days to your total flower time or only from the time when 1st light on? 3 days is pretty long for me man... lol. I only left it off for 24 or 18 or sometime I just switch to 12/12 right away and my end time is consistent with 3 days different. I hope these extra dark hours adding 3 - 4 days different. That would be great because I can spent that time for bottom buds to get extra yield.
 
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