Cree 1000W DE HPS Replacement Reference Design

Sativied said:

Is there research supporting "green light is useless for cannabis"?

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Fuck guys... do you have to be that stupid all the time or did you finally figure out I don't suffer fools gladly... Trying to remain nice here but you're just asking for it with such replies. Did that strawman really seem like a clever smartass response to you? See my final comment to psua. Such transparent pointless questions are not worth dignifying, which goes for 99% of your posts. If that is really how your brain works, so black and white, I can see why you're buddies with the most morally corrupt rat on the site...[/QUOTE]

from your half witted, straw man imbecile arguments, extending to your dying technology fetish, metastasizing into the cringe worthy, juvenile, bloated know it all tone you're a rank clot of toxic assholery.

"Such transparent pointless questions are not worth dignifying" intellectual honesty? GTFOH. youve got the intellect of a damaged, half baked juvenile.

Sativied said:

Is there research supporting "green light is useless for cannabis"?
Fuck guys... do you have to be that stupid all the time or did you finally figure out I don't suffer fools gladly... Trying to remain nice here but you're just asking for it with such replies. Did that strawman really seem like a clever smartass response to you? See my final comment to psua. Such transparent pointless questions are not worth dignifying, which goes for 99% of your posts. If that is really how your brain works, so black and white, I can see why you're buddies with the most morally corrupt rat on the site...

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Is that a yes or no?

Glad you replied to the other thread...I think I agree mostly and wasn't taking it out of context at all, unless you want to agree that the framework from most parties has never been "in" context to begin with.

BOBBY_G said:

dont wonder why 90% of the people on this board think youre a jerk.....

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"jerk" you are a diplomatic mofo!

BOBBY_G said:

dont wonder why 90% of the people on this board think youre a jerk.....

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Make that 99.99%+ and I will take it as a compliment. The main reason I visit large international forums is that that remaining relative small amount, the better growers and good folk, reflects a higher absolute amount than in small dutch forums. So I like to think your compliment puts me in good company, and you, well not so much. Fyi I wasn't referring to you but psua and testiclees, I actually thought we had a normal discussion/convo...

Sativied said:

Make that 99.99%+ and I will take it as a compliment. The main reason I visit large international forums is that that remaining relative small amount, the better growers and good folk, reflects a higher absolute amount than in small dutch forums. So I like to think your compliment puts me in good company, and you, well not so much. Fyi I wasn't referring to you but psua and testiclees, I actually thought we had a normal discussion/convo...

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Text book narcissist

He told you that you're an ass but you hear that you're special.

bro, the reason you visit this "large international forum" is often to act out like a compulsive, full on nut job. Get the fuck outta here with the incoherent nonsense you state above. You live and die by your perceived status here.

Abiqua said:

Is that a yes or no?

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That is a "no, obviously not, irrelevant, I didn't say it IS useless and didn't say such research exist". As my statement, my answer would be a little more nuanced. I can ask the same question as testiclees did in response to most claims here and everywhere else if I had the desire to be a troll. Such specific research would be great but its absence does not mean one can not come to that such a conclusion with some level of certainty.

I have really posted enough in this forum to back up that specific statement but let me be clear. If you have green in your light it is not useless no, but if you have a choice, for practical reasons, and understand why the others have priority, you might as well consider it as such. And no, that does not equate to having to avoid green at all times nor that it must be zero. Some is inevitable with WR anyway. That blue line in the graph however goes for cannabis too and that and the various references I posted in other threads is at least as solid as the ppf values in specs and posts here. Just as the efficiency of red.

At some point the difference in efficiency/$ between colors and types will become neglible, especially for smaller growers, often already is. If the die hard efficiency extremists have figured it out by then, that it's quite silly to endlessly put electrical efficiency over photosynthetic efficiency, there's a risk they will want to run all red...

Test's pointless question distracts from the central point, if you use the cree design add more red and don't worry if that comes at a cost of some blue and especially green. Anything else suggests you know what's specifically better for cannabis. Where's the research showing spending energy on green instead of red, fr, or blue even, happens to be better for cannabis specifically.

Sativied said:

if I had the desire to be a troll.

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so you're actually serious when you suggest treating muslims about 7 times worse than hitler treated the jews?

i was really hoping that was just some world class trolling there.

Sativied said:

That is a "no, obviously not, irrelevant, I didn't say it IS useless and didn't say such research exist". As my statement, my answer would be a little more nuanced. I can ask the same question as testiclees did in response to most claims here and everywhere else if I had the desire to be a troll. Such specific research would be great but its absence does not mean one can not come to that such a conclusion with some level of certainty.

I have really posted enough in this forum to back up that specific statement but let me be clear. If you have green in your light it is not useless no, but if you have a choice, for practical reasons, and understand why the others have priority, you might as well consider it as such. And no, that does not equate to having to avoid green at all times nor that it must be zero. Some is inevitable with WR anyway. That blue line in the graph however goes for cannabis too and that and the various references I posted in other threads is at least as solid as the ppf values in specs and posts here. Just as the efficiency of red.

At some point the difference in efficiency/$ between colors and types will become neglible, especially for smaller growers, often already is. If the die hard efficiency extremists have figured it out by then, that it's quite silly to endlessly put electrical efficiency over photosynthetic efficiency, there's a risk they will want to run all red...

Test's pointless question distracts from the central point, if you use the cree design add more red and don't worry if that comes at a cost of some blue and especially green. Anything else suggests you know what's specifically better for cannabis. Where's the research showing spending energy on green instead of red, fr, or blue even, happens to be better for cannabis specifically.

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You very clearly said that green light for cannabis should be considered worthless. Stop tying to weasel out of what you said with a lot of illogical rambling. Physiological shade studies under low light levels of mono red/blue have very little to do with the light intensities used for growing cannabis.

Sativied said:

about green light and how it is not useless... well, pragmatically, for cannabis it might as well be considered as such.

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thinking this will be someones sig line soon lmao.

from your half witted, straw man imbecile arguments, extending to your dying technology fetish, metastasizing into the cringe worthy, juvenile, bloated know it all tone you're a rank clot of toxic assholery.

Sativied said:

Interesting, in NL in more green areas (i.e. no urban) they use green led streetlights because it has the least effect on nature and are thus least disturbing. A problem with yellow-red light is that it disturbs the birds and insects, some act like it's the sun.

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I think that the main reason green is used is that you need much less green photons to achieve desired luminous flux not because it has the least effect on nature - which it might have as well.

alesh said:

I think that the main reason green is used is that you need much less green photons to achieve desired luminous flux not because it has the least effect on nature - which it might have as well.

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Lol... What's the point of that man... I see a reply from the guy who's math everyone else parrots and it turns out to be a testiclee question instead of a calculations for the cree reference design.

So let me get this straight. I KNOW why green led lights are used specifically in green areas in NL in my area too and share that knowledge, but you think they just picked the most lum eff cobs which happened to be green :claps: Sounds familiar...

You should have gone with mesopoc, VeL, and S/P and then I would have borthered to translate a few docs and pdfs and point out we use green specifically for green areas because it's least disturbing for flora and fauna and unlike in urban areas there are not enough people to complain about the green (low acceptance rate unfortunately).

Since you are all so eager to disagree and find something wrong in my posts, let me make it easy for you: cannabis doesn't need light to flower

sixstring2112 said:

thinking this will be someones sig line soon lmao.

from your half witted, straw man imbecile arguments, extending to your dying technology fetish, metastasizing into the cringe worthy, juvenile, bloated know it all tone you're a rank clot of toxic assholery.

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Ooww tough guy in bold even. Fuck you too six, ya little suck up

Sativied said:

Since you are all so eager to disagree and find something wrong in my posts, let me make it easy for you:

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"make it easy" LOL Poking holes in your 'science', exposing your oafish use of rhetorical terms and the vile state of your character is, even on a stoner forum, child's play.

Sativied said:

Lol... What's the point of that man... I see a reply from the guy who's math everyone else parrots and it turns out to be a testiclee question instead of a calculations for the cree reference design.

So let me get this straight. I KNOW why green led lights are used specifically in green areas in NL in my area too and share that knowledge, but you think they just picked the most lum eff cobs which happened to be green :claps: Sounds familiar...

You should have gone with mesopoc, VeL, and S/P and then I would have borthered to translate a few docs and pdfs and point out we use green specifically for green areas because it's least disturbing for flora and fauna and unlike in urban areas there are not enough people to complain about the green (low acceptance rate unfortunately).

Since you are all so eager to disagree and find something wrong in my posts, let me make it easy for you: cannabis doesn't need light to flower


Ooww tough guy in bold even. Fuck you too six, ya little suck up

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I didn't ask any question. I can't see why you've been so offended by my comment, though. There was no offense meant.

And please, bother to translate a few docs and pdfs and point out we use green.

Sativied said:

the guy who's math everyone else parrots

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You realize that everyone "parrots" the same math right? Learning math is a good thing.

Only you could make math out to seem like such a negative... Should we all invent our own math? Did you know that Alesh "parroted" someone else? God forbid we all parrot people who are good at math and become better at it.

Why do you guys bother responding to this turd of a human being,it's the same story in every thread. He's so disliked,his mom had to tie a pork chop around his neck so the family dog would play with him.

Sativied said:

you think they just picked the most lum eff cobs which happened to be green :claps: Sounds familiar...

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Sounds familiar... lol. Sherlock Holmes is on to something and it's totally not an implied straw man argument! Anything for that sweet sweet "lum eff".

(it's clear that PAR W and PPF must mean absolutely nothing. Around here, lum eff is king and therefore green is the best! You really nailed that one home...)

Wow, I thought this would be a good thread to read, because everyone I talk to that is a legit large scale grower is using the 1000W DE. Can we get back on topic here?

It is a pretty simple equation of spectrum and cost. I do think buying most any off the shelf LED is going to be to expensive to replace the 1000W DE for large scale grows, maybe for small grows where there are different limitations. I also think the idea of people designing LED grow lights with more then 2-3 year life spans is waste of money because the technology is progressing to quickly. Better to design a less expensive light with a shorter intended life span, or ability to replace out the COBs as they improve year over year.

Cost wise, building replacements for 1000W DE could be cost effective if done in house for a large grow. There are also ways that you could build custom LED systems for large warehouse grows that integrate into existing HVAC systems, in theory greatly reducing costs by eliminating system redundancy.

Also, lets not forget liebig's law. I would be willing to bit that in 75% of grows light is not the actual limiting factor, human error and lack of skill are.

coolbreez1 said:

Wow, I thought this would be a good thread to read, because everyone I talk to that is a legit large scale grower is using the 1000W DE. Can we get back on topic here?

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That will never happen in this sub-forum, or really anywhere on RIU. This site is full of stoners.

Edit: Also, consider that the OP of this thread has derailed a countless number of threads in this sub-forum with giant fluff posts essentially saying nothing.

Edit 2: He's derailing his own thread now with said fluff posts. (probably because the entire purpose of this thread was for him to fight and throw tantrums when presented with facts) See the post after this one. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

alesh said:

I didn't ask any question.

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner, you're right, I was wrong using the word question. I wanted to introduce "a testiclee question" as a phrase for pointless replies. As in you pulled a testiclee. Stuff someone with one ball might say... No offense.

I don't see why you think I was offended... I think you should take that up with the folks here who throw tantrums when confronted with facts. Pointless replies, the existance and ramblings and misplaced judgements of idiots at riu do not offend me. The suggestion that is even possible is already ludicrous to me.

alesh said:

And please, bother to translate a few docs and pdfs and point out we use green.

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No, the condition was that you have a clue what you are talking about, which you don't, you just pulled something out of your ass that conflicts with above all common sense. Start by trying to understand - ffs - hps is in general replaced with led to save energy and not with a certain led color to save energy. The efficiency does not dictate the spectrum for streetlights nor for plants. It's bad enough already the led community at riu is blinded by efficiency at the source, but to think there are idiots like that deciding streetlight colors in green areas in NL is absurd.

Besides that, it's funnier to see how predictable you clowns are if I don't. As if I am the one who can't back up my claims... even before I post them (try that some time).

You already made up your mind and of at least two brainless sheople here because you "think" yet my statement "in NL in more green areas (i.e. no urban) [the socalled ecological network areas] they use green led streetlights because it has the least effect on nature and are thus least disturbing." is a fact. I know that because I read the research, the tests and the expert recommendations that followed. If you want to think otherwise, have a blast.

I did not say that is why all green led streetlights are green... I did not say that is why they even inititally came up with green streetlights... or that it's the only reason to use green... Nor whatever symplistic statement you implied I said. You guys have major reading comprehesion problems or just fail to see the strawmen in your own thoughts and writings.

Despite the please, I lost the incentive to comply. Maybe in a few weeks or a month lol... Actually, no, because as always in time you will run into some research or article yourself and realize you barked up the wrong tree again... Like bunch of rabid dogs.

i drew a hitler moustache on it for ya.