Credit card holders livid about 'rate-jacking'

misshestermoffitt

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Wow, am I glad I always rejected the credit card way of life. I don't have one, never have had one and have no intention of ever getting one.

Imagine those people who have 10's of thousands of credit card debt, sucks to be them. :hump:




(CNN) -- It arrived in Rich Stevens' mailbox a few weeks ago: the notice that Citibank had "rate-jacked" the Visa cards belonging to him and his wife.
Some credit card holders have seen their interest rates go up dramatically, a practice called "rate-jacking."





"In my case, from 9.5 percent to 16.99," the 54-year-old nurse from the Long Island hamlet of Merrick, New York, told CNN. And his wife's rate zoomed from 7.95 percent to 16.99 percent, he said.
Stevens said he did not know why the rates had soared; his credit rating is great.
But, like thousands of other credit card customers around the nation, he has been notified his rate is skyrocketing.
"It almost borders on loan-sharking, from my perspective," he said.
In the blogosphere, writers are livid at the instant rate hikes -- called "rate-jacking."
Citigroup seems to be the target of most bloggers' venom -- partly because Citigroup issues so many credit cards and partly because Citi began sending the notices at about the same time it was getting a $20 billion, taxpayer-financed government bailout.
No one at Citigroup would talk on camera to CNN about the matter. Instead, the company issued a written statement, which said: "To continue funding in this difficult credit and funding environment, Citi is repricing a group of customers."
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Citi told CNN that anyone unhappy with the new rates can opt out and continue paying the lower interest, but they must close their account when their card expires. It's all in the fine print.
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-New York, said she is sick of the fine print.
She agreed that credit card companies get away with whatever they want, as long at they put their desires into the fine print.
"They have this provision that says they can raise the rate -- any time, any reason," she said.
In September, Maloney got the House to pass by an overwhelming margin of 200 votes the "credit card holders' bill of rights," which would have stopped rate-jacking and the imposition of other fees by banks.
But the bill has languished in the Senate since September. "There's a lot of pushback from the financial industry," she said.
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Critics say that pushback is linked to donations from the banking industry to the politicians responsible for regulating credit cards.
The chairman of the Senate Banking Committee is Christopher Dodd. His staff said the Connecticut Democrat has his own credit card bill containing tough language to stop things like rate-jacking and shortening of billing cycles -- two issues that anger consumers.
But even Dodd's own bill has failed to gain traction -- it has sat since July.
Dodd himself received more than $4 million from the financial sector during the last campaign, according to campaign records. His office did not respond to CNN's questions about that.
It did say that he has tried repeatedly to protect consumers, but added, "legislation has been met with stiff opposition by the credit card industry."




On Thursday, the Federal Reserve is expected to vote on its own new rules regarding credit cards, rules in the works for four years that could clamp down on rate-jacking.
Whatever is passed, Maloney said, probably would not take effect until 2010
 

babyboi420

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for sure if i need something thats why i get a prepaid so i can put money on it when i need to shop online bro
 

cheeseysynapse

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Yeah, Citi did this ACROSS THE BOARD! Doesn't matter if your FICO score is 850 or 400. I heard on Clark Howard it was 7% increase!

It's time to fire the monster mega banks.

Get out now.

If you can't join a credit union, join a local, community bank. Do not fuck with any national chain.

1 exception possibly - U.S. Bank. (not to be confused with bank of america) They are the one bank that didn't get involved with these fucked up mortgages.

I am all for free markets, and corporations, BUT WE, AS CONSUMERS, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OURSELVES. And we have the right to fire these fucking numbskulls and thieves.

ING online bank is one that I have heard good reviews about too, as far as rates, and customer service.

The only way to get these banks to change the way they do business is for us to leave and go across the street.

I closed my account at Wachovia, I opened an ING online savings account. And I opened a checking account at Cardinal State bank - a small bank only in NC.

As far as credit cards go.......fuck Citi - close those cards down. Try to get one with a local bank/credit union.
 

Seamaiden

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That's actually some great advice, cheeseysynapse. I happen to bank with USAA, and so cannot advise everyone to go with them because they have membership requirements.

As for the people getting dinged here... did they not read the fucking mailer they were sent noticing them about the rate increase? This happened to me with.. I can't remember how many cards. One I held a high balance on. So I transferred. However, had I not been able to transfer I would have been able to notice them in writing that I dispute and disagree with the rate hike. Then the account is closed for any new purchases or transfers, the rate would have been locked, and my payment schedule would have remained the same. I did not opt for this because I want to keep my score high and don't want to be unable to get another card from this particular bank.

That being said, both my Amex accounts did this. They're all going under, so they're trying to find ways to make more money. What I believe they will likely net is a marked increase in defaulted accounts. They're shooting their own golden geese. :lol:

Read the fine print, people! Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, but if you don't.. yeeowch!

All that being said, CC companies have been twisting the laws, and likely succeeding getting some taken off the books or reworked, so that they can charge rates once considered completely and totally usurious. Fucking loan sharking is their business now, but at least they flash up the fine print momentarily.
 

ANC

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So what kind of rates are you looking at...? over here, if you are very good... 25 to 30%

I studied banking in my young days... I don't think its much diffirent over there...

Overdrafts are payable on demand.
 

medicineman

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I have an AT&T card that I use specifically, and generally try and keep the balance under 1,000 bucks. I used to pay it off every month but I figured the 6-10 bucks in interest paid every month may allow me to keep my 7.99% rate. As soon as they raise the rate, it's back to paying it off every month Look at it like this: If you have a few bucks in savings, you're only getting 2-5% if that. Pay off your high interest CC accounts, and make payments to your savings account, in a year or so, you'll have your savings back and be debt free, that is if you don't go right out and start charging like an Idiot again. My advice, If possible, pay off your CC accounts and never charge more than you can pay at the end of the month, yeah I know there are emergencies, when that happens, borrow back from your savings and pay it off. There is also, (well there used to be) the old credit card shuffle, where you'd take one of theso 0-5% checks and pay off one and wait for the period to expire then do it again. The problem is there is always a transfer fee. When I was building my hotrod, I ran a couple of cards into the 4-5 grand range, then transfered them onto one of those 0% checks, paid a couple a hundred in transfer fees, then paid them down to the amount I had in a stock account and then paid them off. Whatever works, but you have to get away from paying anything over 19%. I've talked to several people about their CC interest and not one could believe I had a 7.99% card. Believe me, I make damn sure I never pay late. One might look into an AT&T card, but I'd bet they are not giving 7.99% cards away now. I also just don't get it. The prime rate is .25% why would they be raising interest rates. People need to stop with the credit card thing. we got along fine without them for hundreds of years. That would bring them to their knees and bring the rates back into the 5-10% range.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Citi bought my mortgage company last year, they recently raised check by phone fees for payments to $20. What a crock. I'll never do a check by phone with them again, they just lost out on the 8 bucks per month they used to get from me, now they get zero.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Wow, am I glad I always rejected the credit card way of life. I don't have one, never have had one and have no intention of ever getting one.

Imagine those people who have 10's of thousands of credit card debt, sucks to be them. :hump:




(CNN) -- It arrived in Rich Stevens' mailbox a few weeks ago: the notice that Citibank had "rate-jacked" the Visa cards belonging to him and his wife.
Some credit card holders have seen their interest rates go up dramatically, a practice called "rate-jacking."





"In my case, from 9.5 percent to 16.99," the 54-year-old nurse from the Long Island hamlet of Merrick, New York, told CNN. And his wife's rate zoomed from 7.95 percent to 16.99 percent, he said.
Stevens said he did not know why the rates had soared; his credit rating is great.
But, like thousands of other credit card customers around the nation, he has been notified his rate is skyrocketing.
"It almost borders on loan-sharking, from my perspective," he said.
In the blogosphere, writers are livid at the instant rate hikes -- called "rate-jacking."
Citigroup seems to be the target of most bloggers' venom -- partly because Citigroup issues so many credit cards and partly because Citi began sending the notices at about the same time it was getting a $20 billion, taxpayer-financed government bailout.
No one at Citigroup would talk on camera to CNN about the matter. Instead, the company issued a written statement, which said: "To continue funding in this difficult credit and funding environment, Citi is repricing a group of customers."
Don't Miss

Citi told CNN that anyone unhappy with the new rates can opt out and continue paying the lower interest, but they must close their account when their card expires. It's all in the fine print.
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-New York, said she is sick of the fine print.
She agreed that credit card companies get away with whatever they want, as long at they put their desires into the fine print.
"They have this provision that says they can raise the rate -- any time, any reason," she said.
In September, Maloney got the House to pass by an overwhelming margin of 200 votes the "credit card holders' bill of rights," which would have stopped rate-jacking and the imposition of other fees by banks.
But the bill has languished in the Senate since September. "There's a lot of pushback from the financial industry," she said.
Watch how card companies are trying to woo customers »
Critics say that pushback is linked to donations from the banking industry to the politicians responsible for regulating credit cards.
The chairman of the Senate Banking Committee is Christopher Dodd. His staff said the Connecticut Democrat has his own credit card bill containing tough language to stop things like rate-jacking and shortening of billing cycles -- two issues that anger consumers.
But even Dodd's own bill has failed to gain traction -- it has sat since July.
Dodd himself received more than $4 million from the financial sector during the last campaign, according to campaign records. His office did not respond to CNN's questions about that.
It did say that he has tried repeatedly to protect consumers, but added, "legislation has been met with stiff opposition by the credit card industry."




On Thursday, the Federal Reserve is expected to vote on its own new rules regarding credit cards, rules in the works for four years that could clamp down on rate-jacking.
Whatever is passed, Maloney said, probably would not take effect until 2010
I have em, but I don't use them, but I haven't seen my rates go up.

I might circulate them, and buy lunch or dinner once a month on a different card, but that's paid off with in the week.

As far as people that have thousands in debt. Suck to be them, but the probably is clearly their own. For them to whine about the credit companies ignores the fact that there was no one there to put a head to their heads and force them to use that credit card to buy the useless trinkets that they bought.

Though I can understand that some people may feel that they were forced into using them by high gas prices. That's a myth, there was probably fat that they could have trimmed from their budget that would have prevented them from having to use their cards.

In the words of one of my friends, "Cry me a river, build a bridge, and GET OVER IT!"
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
Just got another notice in the mail about a card I don't use! Account CLOSED! :lol:

You have to use the account to keep it open. If you don't pay as you go, or pay within the grace period, it doesn't matter what your score is, they're going to raise your rate. Only those who can use a given card and pay it off before finance charges accrue will be able to avoid getting dinged.

This is what the credit crunch feels like. Mmm.. crunchy.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I keep getting credit card offers in the mail, I rip them in half and in the trash they go. Sorry, don't have any and don't want any..............
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
No need to apologize for that, Hester. :) For me, I wouldn't have been able to accomplish some pretty significant things had I not worked hard at rebuilding my credit. In fact, I don't think Dave fully appreciated what that meant until he saw the difference in how one gets pinched if they haven't got such good credit and how another is practically spoonfed by companies falling over each other to get you to sign up with them. I do think that era is over, though I will continue to take advantage of the 0%APR offers to transfer balances as long as I don't get dinged too hard with transfer fees.
 

medicineman

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They're good for emergencies and you don't have to carry a large amount of cash, like say you need a new washer/dryer, (5-8 hundred bucks) just pull it out and go. Then at the end of the month, send in a check for the balance. They are definently not for the shopaholic minded, for it's much less painful to pull out a card than to count out cash.
 

ViRedd

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Plastic has been a large contributor of our loss in financial privacy. Every purchase you make via credit card can be tracked. Your buying preferences can be tracked as well. This information is used to market to you ... and the information is sold as well.

Vi
 

medicineman

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Plastic has been a large contributor of our loss in financial privacy. Every purchase you make via credit card can be tracked. Your buying preferences can be tracked as well. This information is used to market to you ... and the information is sold as well.

Vi
Vi, our privacy has been done since Nixon. They're just way more sophisticated now, more gigabytes in their computers.
 

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
you can usually just call your credit company and say you can't pay and you are gonna have to declare bankruptcy unless they help you out...and they are usually pretty eager to help you out
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
you can usually just call your credit company and say you can't pay and you are gonna have to declare bankruptcy unless they help you out...and they are usually pretty eager to help you out
I don't see that being likely with the recent changes to the laws.

Creditcard Companies provide a service, it is not their fault, nor should it be their responsibility to make sure that people do not abuse the service.

Of course, based on the fact that Democrats are so damn eager to do really stupid things to protect us from ourselves it should be no surprise that they are listening to morons who claim that they are getting gouged by high rates.

It is laughable to think that some one that is just making the minimum payments on a credit card really has any intention of actually paying back the amount that they borrowed from the credit card companies.

Better advice would be, "Neither a borrower or lender, be."
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I don't like or have a debit card either. If I pay cash, I don't have to pay a single transaction fee. Now I've also become like my grandma and am using my change up instead of throwing it in a big container to save for a rainy day. Recently I took my change to the bank to cash it in and they wanted 10% to turn money into money. Well screw that. Now the person behind me will have to just cool their jets while I count out that .87.

Too much greed!!! Hell the president of the bank that wants 10% to turn money into money has filed for bankruptcy more than once. You should see the house that greedy fuck lives in, you could probably put my whole house in his living room. I want to know how one can file bankruptcy and still go and buy a house like that afterward.
 

medicineman

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I don't like or have a debit card either. If I pay cash, I don't have to pay a single transaction fee. Now I've also become like my grandma and am using my change up instead of throwing it in a big container to save for a rainy day. Recently I took my change to the bank to cash it in and they wanted 10% to turn money into money. Well screw that. Now the person behind me will have to just cool their jets while I count out that .87.

Too much greed!!! Hell the president of the bank that wants 10% to turn money into money has filed for bankruptcy more than once. You should see the house that greedy fuck lives in, you could probably put my whole house in his living room. I want to know how one can file bankruptcy and still go and buy a house like that afterward.
That's another good use for gasoline, "Burning down the house". Ya gotta wait till he goes to sleep though.
 
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