Jonus
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And if you stop for a sec and look at the links I posted, you will notice you posted the same one.
Creation Vs. Evolution
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And if you stop for a sec and look at the links I posted, you will notice you posted the same one.
Seamaiden
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Meat eaters are the truly humane people. I eat cows to protect them.
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And this, my friends, is a true demonstration of altruism.
CrackerJax
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Besides, they get to trip all summer long on shrooms.... kewl.
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Obesity has nothing to do with meat consumption.
It's the vegetarian animals which are heavy and docile. Most meat predators are lean and mean. Man is a predator, of this I have no doubt. No, I'll stick with meat tyvm...
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ANC
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The San bushmen, whom many believe to be some of the first/oldest peoples in africa, hunt with bows and arrows useing a poison that makes the prey fall asleep after a short stalking. Before killing the animal, they applogise to it, explaining that they have a hungry family, and thank it for the food.
Personaly I have only started eating a few veggies now in midlife... could not force them down me under threat of death before.
I'm trying realy hard to expand the list of veggies that I eat, but I find most just totaly inedible. I wold eat any of your brains before I eat cauliflower for instance... just an example...
I DO love fruit though, and eat almost all fruits. Otherwise RED MEAT is my thing... I feel very bad for the little sheepies and cows, but its me or the worms...
Personaly I have only started eating a few veggies now in midlife... could not force them down me under threat of death before.
I'm trying realy hard to expand the list of veggies that I eat, but I find most just totaly inedible. I wold eat any of your brains before I eat cauliflower for instance... just an example...
I DO love fruit though, and eat almost all fruits. Otherwise RED MEAT is my thing... I feel very bad for the little sheepies and cows, but its me or the worms...
Jonus
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Besides, they get to trip all summer long on shrooms.... kewl.
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Obesity has nothing to do with meat consumption.
It's the vegetarian animals which are heavy and docile. Most meat predators are lean and mean. Man is a predator, of this I have no doubt. No, I'll stick with meat tyvm...
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Humans have become meat eaters. The type of teeth we have and the layout of our digestive system suggests we spent the first 99% of our existance evolving as herbivores/omnivores.
misshestermoffitt
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and then we started eating meat and our brains grew. Feel free to scream about meat being murder while wearing leather shoes and eating jello......
misshestermoffitt
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Don't forget about sharks, I think we're a delicacy to them. 
Jonus
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and then we started eating meat and our brains grew. Feel free to scream about meat being murder while wearing leather shoes and eating jello......
In doing so we fucked up our ability to harbor micro-organisms in the large intestine which could extract vitamin B12 from breaking down plants. Now we have to either have it fortified in our foods or eat meat which has B12 in it because the animal were eating still has the ability to harbor those micro-organisms.
misshestermoffitt
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I'm sure the first human who evolved enough to eat some meat wasn't really worried about micro-organisms in his intestines. Maybe it was winter and there weren't any plants to eat, 4-6 months is a long time to hang around hungry waiting for something to grow.........
Seamaiden
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Oh for Christ's sakes, we evolved as OMNIVORES. We have dentition suitable for handling a wide variety of foodstuffs, but cannot adequately handle tough grasses or hard grains or nuts without processing at this stage in our evolution. Our gut handles meat just fine, we are able to amend our diets as needed and as long as H. sapiens has access to a varied diet it's able to satisfy most all nutritional requirements via diet. The problem comes with excess, in which nothing is good for you. Jesus Horatio Christ!
ElBarto
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You've heard of von Däniken's Chariots of the Gods, right?
The movie is available of google videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-373807185570806915
Jonus
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Humans are omnivores in the truest sense of the word, and have been so since the development of what we call human today. But the balance between herbivore, canivore and frugivore diets is what has changed. Over the period of our existance and micro evolutionary changes and adaptions, we have mostly ever ate veges and fruit and nuts and some meat.
Winters didnt bring a scarcity of plants, fruit and nuts to eat, but a scarcity of meat which is why fruit, nuts and veges were the winter diets as there was never a shortage of those and fruit could be dried and nuts just needed to be stored.
The big change came with technology, hunting tools, meat preservation techniques, animal herding.
Of course, the biggest swing toward meat eating didnt happen in some cave somewhere in southern France, but happened with the invention of the refrigerator, revolutionizing the meat industry.
Winters didnt bring a scarcity of plants, fruit and nuts to eat, but a scarcity of meat which is why fruit, nuts and veges were the winter diets as there was never a shortage of those and fruit could be dried and nuts just needed to be stored.
The big change came with technology, hunting tools, meat preservation techniques, animal herding.
Of course, the biggest swing toward meat eating didnt happen in some cave somewhere in southern France, but happened with the invention of the refrigerator, revolutionizing the meat industry.
misshestermoffitt
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People ate plenty of meat before the fridge was invented. People just raised, butchered and smoked their own meats.
If you don't want to eat meat, then don't, but you have no right to say others shouldn't eat meat because you don't like it.
Still no one makes any admission on wearing meat.............
If you don't want to eat meat, then don't, but you have no right to say others shouldn't eat meat because you don't like it.
Still no one makes any admission on wearing meat.............
Jonus
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See for me I dont shape my views of history based on whether or not I eat meat. I eat meat. But what usually happens is people shape their view of human meat eating development based on what agrees with their eating beliefs. So Im not saying people should or shouldnt.
Of course, that was not my point. With the major technology shifts came increased consumption of meat. From hunting tools came the ability to kill bigger animals, thats why you don't see historical evidence of chimpanzees hunting large animals (although they do hunt animals). Technologies for catching fish etc.
Then came preservation techniques, then as you mentioned, animal herding. But the world wasnt full of animal herders was it. So the balance remained at the higher percentage of food being consumed was higher in non-meat.
Then came agriculture which further boosted consumption of vegetables, fruit and nuts.
But the one singular technology that blew all those incrimental increases in meat consumption out the window, that stands as a monolith to the meat industry is refrigeration. Refrigeration revolutionised the globalisation of animal products where vege based foods had dominated since the invention of shipping.
Of course, that was not my point. With the major technology shifts came increased consumption of meat. From hunting tools came the ability to kill bigger animals, thats why you don't see historical evidence of chimpanzees hunting large animals (although they do hunt animals). Technologies for catching fish etc.
Then came preservation techniques, then as you mentioned, animal herding. But the world wasnt full of animal herders was it. So the balance remained at the higher percentage of food being consumed was higher in non-meat.
Then came agriculture which further boosted consumption of vegetables, fruit and nuts.
But the one singular technology that blew all those incrimental increases in meat consumption out the window, that stands as a monolith to the meat industry is refrigeration. Refrigeration revolutionised the globalisation of animal products where vege based foods had dominated since the invention of shipping.
Jonus
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Except for cholesterol and saturated fat...which kills us.
misshestermoffitt
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You could say that about fruits and vegetables too. Before mass shipping you just didn't have oranges in the mid-west, or bananas, but you had meat and potoatoes.
Vegetarians can have high cholestoral numbers too. There are fats and oils in nuts too, and if you eat rye infected with ergot, you trip, yippee........
Vegetarians can have high cholestoral numbers too. There are fats and oils in nuts too, and if you eat rye infected with ergot, you trip, yippee........
Jonus
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That may be true but the cholesterol didn't come from plants. Unless you are talking about phytosterol which is a form of cholesterol found in flax seed oil. However phytosterol helps reduce cholesterol levels not increase it. If vegetarians have high cholesterol it is because additives to their diet contain it.
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