Creation Vs. Evolution

ElBarto said:

That's not true. It's a fairly common anti-evolution argument that has been thoroughly debunked.

If you're seriously interested in evolutionary biology, you should read a few of Richard Dawkins' books. The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker, River Out Of Eden, The Ancestor's Tale are all very good. The first two are very detailed, the other two are an easier read.

Here's another interesting resource from The New Scientist magazine.

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

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Yeah I see I will check into some of the links you guys have posted. I'm not saying that's something I believe it was just something my dad brought up. I can see now where he got some of that info from as well.

Seamaiden said:

Evolution, by the way, isn't an explanation for the requirements of life. This demonstrates that you don't quite understand the forces behind evolution, the first of which dictates that the organism, in order to live, must adapt to the environment, not the other way around.

As for dreaming, it seems to be related to play in animals (and, for the record, we're animals, too), in that the higher the level of cognition (also sometimes referred to as intelligence, a deceptive term) the more likely the organism is to play and dream.

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Couple of questions. I do understand the concept of survival of the fittest and to be honest, that's just pointing out the obvious. Of course the animal that survives is the fittest. I just am skeptic of the fact that diversity is created by random mutations.

Also, about the requirements of life. I just want you to logically think about who defines those requirements. I'm a computer programmer and if i want to write in a code that does something useful, i have to define parameters. I believe that God defined the physical laws that govern the universe (something that evolution has nothing to do with and no one has proven came about on it's own). Then he defined the laws of evolution that ensured that life survived. It would be awful if life was static and unable to adapt now wouldn't it?

Oh, well, if you believe that God's hand is behind all of this, then I don't see much that I can say or show you. You don't understand how mutations occur (which is randomly), and with the rest of the post seem to indicate that you've pretty much made up your mind. So, I will leave it at that, because I disagree with your basic premise...

Seamaiden said:

Oh, well, if you believe that God's hand is behind all of this, then I don't see much that I can say or show you. You don't understand how mutations occur (which is randomly), and with the rest of the post seem to indicate that you've pretty much made up your mind. So, I will leave it at that, because I disagree with your basic premise...

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That's cool man. We all have out own beliefs. I'm just glad i live in a place where i can atleast express them and listen to other views...

Crevolution.

well who cares what one is real .. creation make a way cooler story than us all slowly becomeing the same thing over time..i like the thing whre something just kinda said "what the hell i'll show dave i can run a universe" and he just started making the world and stuff and eved up proving dave wrong ... ya know?

If there is a "god" he is an "alien".
We are hybrids of aliens and monkeys,bred as workers or slaves.
Thats why the grey aliens people see look so much like us!
" earth is like a aquarium full of fish with murderous smiles"
So there you go i just told you the secrete,
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What if God is an extraterrestrial being thats nothing like the aliens as stereotypicaly seen yet older than can be measured, created the universe from the inside of his universe,Its a crazy thought but what if there are other a number of other Universes out there beyond our own.Just for further intrigue in Buddhism they say there are a total of 4 Universes including ours being the physical Realm,thenBuddhas or gods Universe with supreme Understanding and ideas,Another universe said to be like hell or the most horrible place imaginable.Then the 4th universe comprising the spirit realm or where we go to dream supposedly.Crazy enough they were created but we are the only universe with time as a concept that is part of its composition.Evolution as we know it applies mostly to the physical universe because it coincides with time itself.As we discover more of our universe through telescopic technology we can see how evolution and creation are tied together.Think about it evolution is the creation of improved life through necessity and adaptation,while evolution outside of our planet is creation itself, if you look at it this way evolution and creation dosent happen to living creatures only,but it happens to anything that time encompasses.

Its a crazy yet surreal idea that god might be an alien, just food for thought.

I think that's probably the most believable "God" story I ever heard...pretty interesting as well.

Ok, man i am so with you on this, latley, i have been into the Universe and space and all that cool shit, But i was raised a catholic and i am really questioning my "faith". I still believe in god, just because how everything is too perfect, the way the the our Soloar system works, 1 thing relies on another to work the way they do. I.E. The moon has to do with our ocean currents and gravity and all the shit, if we were any closer to the sun we would roast to death, and any further we would freeze to death. Its F'in Crazy. Just think of all the millions of galaxies out there just like our 1 tiny Milkyway galaxy. It would take 100,000 Years at the Speed of light (bout 6 trillion miles a year) to reach the outside of the milkyway. And the milkyway is full of Billions, if not Trillions of suns Way more massive then our very own Sun that Grows our favorite plant in the world . Just think, how do we know that there is not another Earth somewhere in some other galaxy that there is no possible way to get to, if it takes that long to get the outer edge of our Milkyway we can barley see past it let alone try and live that long or power anything to go that far with our FOSSIL FUEL we just dont, and wont have the technology to find out. But what if we did find out how devastating would it be to all the religions that are out there, we find another Earth doing the same shit we are trying to do, but just dont have the resources to accomplish it.

Oh man sorry for the nerd lesson this stuff is really interesting if you get into it, just watch a Movie called Volcanoes of the Deep Sea, and there are some badass videos on youtube my personal favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ8CUz4MZ1M

Also I am super baked right now on some burmese sativa, lmao gets my brain thinkin all wierd and shit. Haha Gotta love it though, i will STFU now.

Peace

Weve been thinkin normal for too long,im gona watch that vid now

What did you think of that video man, shitz crazy. lol

Thunderf00t is my hero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzdv2dsPPKw

Also worth watching are his "how to debate a creationist" series. It can get quite amusing especially with Vfx's replies (you'll see who I'm talking about if you watch them)

Another great atheist, Christopher Hitchens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u_pyZ-ybw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY8fjFKAC5k

Here's his take on the subject of marijuana legalization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvIAQ2UIIJQ

Florida Girl said:

Evolution..... and not just here on planet earth.... the whole universe and all its life forms are constantly evolving

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Doesnt all life on earth for the most part share the same genes?

I for one have to believe that we evolved, not that we were simply created by another being. For me to think that we were "put" on this planet just because (I'll leave the subject of why alone as it's a topic all on its own) is just very hard to belive.

Honestly, I think all religion is a sham, but hey.. what do I know?

Watch Volcanoes of the deep sea! I am telling you, you will really beleeve that we did ev0lve, this guy goes like 12,000 Feet Below the sea and in water hot enough to boil a lobster, they find life, and 1 of the species they find down there in total darkness has the same type of blood that we do, its Crazy and really trippy to watch while your BLOWED! LoL

Oh and watched all these vids, pretty good stuff, this guy is crazy too. LoL

yeah ive seen other movies about those worms. I was also watching some vids on youtube.

This one is (although long and can get somewhat nerdish) is pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRvt0InhYk&feature=related

I was raised by a devoutly Mormon family that actually believed that the Earth was 6,000 years old. Noahs ark everything in the bible was true.

Today there's no way. The fossil record screams at you like an effeminate gay man who just found that perfect pair of shoes.

NomadicSky said:

I was raised by a devoutly Mormon family that actually believed that the Earth was 6,000 years old. Noahs ark everything in the bible was true.

Today there's no way. The fossil record screams at you like an effeminate gay man who just found that perfect pair of shoes.

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Good to see open minded people :]