crab meal vs. oyster shell

hyroot

hyroot

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DonTesla said:
Of course Neem is sourced from Asia, boys

The neem tree is native to Asia ;)

If you're getting non Asian neem, I'd be more concerned, lol..

But you guys are two of my favourites on RIU by far, so no beef!

@hyroot do I gather you skip alfafa meal now, bruh?
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There's neem from China then neem from India. It's a world of difference in quality. The Chinese farms don't grow neem organically. Several chem nutes and pesticides used. The ahimsa neem farms in India has several different organic certifications. Not just the b.s. omri. The ahimsa neem smells so much better too. I just ordered some neem trees yesterday. So I will just use the leaves I guess.

I stopped using alfalfa because it lowered yield and produced too much leaf. I added fish bone meal.
 
Yodaweed

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hyroot said:
There's neem from China then neem from India. It's a world of difference in quality. The Chinese farms don't grow neem organically. Several chem nutes and pesticides used. The ahimsa neem farms in India has several different organic certifications. Not just the b.s. omri. The ahimsa neem smells so much better too. I just ordered some neem trees yesterday. So I will just use the leaves I guess.

I stopped using alfalfa because it lowered yield and produced too much leaf. I added fish bone meal.
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You ever tried karanja or wild flax/camelina meal or soybean meal?? And yes, india has neem a lot better, they been using neem in india for thousands of years, they even use it to brush their teeth.
 
hyroot

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MistaRasta said:
Notice a more pronounced taste with the fish bone meal? ..
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I am getting more pungent flavors. But I mostly attribute that to using only basalt rock dust instead of other rock dusts and sst. Fish bone meal and crab meal could play a factor. I switched over to all basalt before swapping alfalfa for fish bone meal. I saw the difference in flavor right away with the basalt.
 
hyroot

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Yodaweed said:
You ever tried karanja or wild flax/camelina meal or soybean meal?? And yes, india has neem a lot better, they been using neem in india for thousands of years, they even use it to brush their teeth.
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Yeah I've used karanja a few times. Didn't see much difference. I was using neem cake at the same time.
 
DonTesla

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hyroot said:
There's neem from China then neem from India. It's a world of difference in quality. The Chinese farms don't grow neem organically. Several chem nutes and pesticides used. The ahimsa neem farms in India has several different organic certifications. Not just the b.s. omri. The ahimsa neem smells so much better too. I just ordered some neem trees yesterday. So I will just use the leaves I guess.

I stopped using alfalfa because it lowered yield and produced too much leaf. I added fish bone meal.
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Love dat post!
 
DonTesla

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We need to pool more findings and get to the bottom of these ganja mysteries, amigos

Myself,
Took clones off exact same plant branch..
Put my 2015 and 2014 up against this 2016 soil in a three way side by side, right

In the newer mix I upped my alfafa 50%, neem 50%+, and kelp 200%, and intro'd FishBMeal, as well

I noticed:

-unreal difference in terp profile vs other soils.. Hard to believe its same plant
-beefy from the bottom up, on lanky Sativa
-matched yield of plants that got transplanted 2 weeks earlier
-went from yellowing in first week of flower to the greenest lushest plant at harvest time..
-crazy sheeny at the end, almost too lush tbh, it kept getting healthier week by week
-insane smells, turned a normally somewhat off-putting Chernobyl cross into the most pungent fuelly kushy-almost smelling sticky herb ever..
-water only the whole time np but a bit leafy perhaps..

So Mixed all that soil with my 2014 and 2015 soil and now its performing INSANELY..growth wise, and health wise, as a family

Now I will run an alfafa free mix with heavier crab against this well-rounded 3 year blend and see what happens..

I have beautiful sifted compost to topdress with that has both crab and alfafa mellowed in..

I will use it on the first plant that shows signs and compare that to these two.
 
st0wandgrow

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hyroot said:
Triacontamol promotes foliage growth. That's why you're not supposed to use it after week 2 of flower
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Right, so I could see it possibly contributing to more/bigger leaves, but I don't think it would negatively impact your yield.

Did you do a side x side?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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st0wandgrow said:
Right, so I could see it possibly contributing to more/bigger leaves, but I don't think it would negatively impact your yield.

Did you do a side x side?
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Not a side by side. But I noticed a big difference after I stopped using it.
 
greasemonkeymann

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st0wandgrow said:
Huh. Might have to try a batch without it.

Just when you think you have it all figured out...lol
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not sure if it's applicable, but I used a metric fuck-ton of alfalfa in my compost pile, both fresh feed, and meal.
Same yields as usual, in fact maybe even a bit larger, certainly faster vege growth, but I had a bunch of other stuff in there too, way too many variables to make it scientific, but if ANYONE could have overdone it with alfalfa, it was me.
 
greasemonkeymann

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hyroot said:
Triacontamol promotes foliage growth. That's why you're not supposed to use it after week 2 of flower
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not to start an argument, but where exactly have you read that it's only for vege?
and specifically NOT for flowering?
i'm asking because I've looked, and looked, and looked, and all I find are scientific studies from either 1977 or 1983.
and both of those say it's effective for flowering of fruiting plants
everything I've read says it's a growth stimulant, regardless.
I only say this because I've been using the bejesus out of it, and never noticed any issues at all
I just wonder if it all started akin to the "nitrogen isn't needed during flower" stuff that hydro guys swear by...
 
bmgnoot

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ahh this was the thread i was reading some neem debate in recently. saw a pile of these next to the door as i was leaving my local grow shop(was planning to order some from ahimsa website in a week when i got back from vacation) so i asked what he wanted for them.."umm 5 bucks each" he says.. the 5lb bag is $10 direct from ahimsa neemresource.com and even the 44lb bag is more than the $1/pound i paid.. DTE neem is around $17 for 5 pounds on amazon... so ya, even though i only need a bag or 2 for my next 6-8 months of growing i bought em all. thought it was a pretty good score. $45 for #45 tax & shipping free.IMG_0938.JPG
 
testiclees

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greasemonkeymann said:
not to start an argument, but where exactly have you read that it's only for vege?
and specifically NOT for flowering?
i'm asking because I've looked, and looked, and looked, and all I find are scientific studies from either 1977 or 1983.
and both of those say it's effective for flowering of fruiting plants
everything I've read says it's a growth stimulant, regardless.
I only say this because I've been using the bejesus out of it, and never noticed any issues at all
I just wonder if it all started akin to the "nitrogen isn't needed during flower" stuff that hydro guys swear by...
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I use alfalfa straw to mulch all my flowering plants. I get very large buds and ive not noticed leafier growth.

Characterizing the effects of alfalfa products without a reasonable estimate of tria content might be useless. How would anyone quantify the actual tria dosage when using random alfalfa products? Or know if tria is impacting the plants at all?
 
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Rasta Roy

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bmgnoot said:
ahh this was the thread i was reading some neem debate in recently. saw a pile of these next to the door as i was leaving my local grow shop(was planning to order some from ahimsa website in a week when i got back from vacation) so i asked what he wanted for them.."umm 5 bucks each" he says.. the 5lb bag is $10 direct from ahimsa neemresource.com and even the 44lb bag is more than the $1/pound i paid.. DTE neem is around $17 for 5 pounds on amazon... so ya, even though i only need a bag or 2 for my next 6-8 months of growing i bought em all. thought it was a pretty good score. $45 for #45 tax & shipping free.View attachment 3677526
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You lucky bastard. I had to order mine online, just came in a few days ago.
 
bmgnoot

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Rasta Roy said:
You lucky bastard. I had to order mine online, just came in a few days ago.
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im still grinning about it, because im pretty sure he had to have fucked himself over and lost money on that, which almost makes me feel bad.. unless it was part of some nefarious trade! going bulk at neemresource.com #44 neem cake bag is $57 + $60 shipping(for me, shipping may be less for others) & i probably wouldnt have bought that much online anyway considering single bags are $10+14 shipping...$24/bag vs $5. buildasoil doing #44 bags for $84+38.09 cheapest shipping option, and yikes...$9 for #2.5
 
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