Covington catholic school

As someone that was born and raised in Covington, I can tell you that racism is alive and well in the bluegrass state.

I read this whole thread and some of you have a very good understanding of what this area is like. I can assure everyone that the majority of white people that live around here are very racist. The fact is that most of these kids are indeed privileged. But I went to public school in Covington, so to me anyone that went to a private school is seen as privileged.

I'm not going to assume that young man in the video is racist, I don't know him to make that assessment. Honestly I really think this all got blown out of proportion. I'm thankful that no one involved got injured or physically attacked. We need to be able to have a open discussion about our true feelings regarding racism.

I know more than one person around here that has a Confederate flag in the back of their closet. I mean come on, if want to be racist own it. Be loud and proud, but don't get mad when someone confronts you about it and calls you a hypocrite.

I hope everyone that reads this understands that not everyone from KY is racist. I have lived on some the worst streets in Covington and some of the best. I have had best friends that are black. I have niece's and nephews that are mixed and they are very open-minded and this gives me hope for our future.

Sorry for such a a long post but this is a conversation that I have had with many family members and it just blows my mind that we can still "hate" someone based on their color, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual preference.

ginjawarrior said:

pointing out Phillips lies hardly an attack

Are you claiming now that the Washington post article is a right wing attack?

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Sure it is. It is just a shitty tactic to discredit somebody. Has no bearing on what happened at the demonstrations.

The guy is news and Wapo reported the news. Shit heads like you moan and use it to discredit him in a totally unrelated situation.

Fvck that. You pull that shit because you lost every argument related to MAGA cap wearing Grin Reaper.

Fogdog said:

Sure it is. It is just a shitty tactic to discredit somebody. Has no bearing on what happened at the demonstrations.

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Phillips thought his Vietnam service had something to do with his judgement about what happened. He brought it up in the interview.

If he hadn't of brought it up then sure it might be an attack.

Pointing out his lies is perfectly acceptable.

Everything I have posted in this thread has subsequently been backed up by mainstream left wing news organisations.

I don't care about your pretense on the facts I have shown you. You can carry on in ignorance if t
thats what makes you happy

Uprangewilly said:

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Sorry for such a a long post but this is a conversation that I have had with many family members and it just blows my mind that we can still "hate" someone based on their color, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual preference.

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Add "hats"to that

There's too much hate going around at the moment and way too much division.

ginjawarrior said:

Phillips thought his Vietnam service had something to do with his judgement about what happened. He brought it up in the interview.

If he hadn't of brought it up then sure it might be an attack.

Pointing out his lies is perfectly acceptable.

Everything I have posted in this thread has subsequently been backed up by mainstream left wing news organisations.

I don't care about your pretense on the facts I have shown you. You can carry on in ignorance if t
thats what makes you happy

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Discrediting one's opponent by using an unrelated topic is a time honored propaganda tactic and a logical fallacy, otherwise known as a bad argument.

I'm happy calling you out for this.

Fogdog said:

Discrediting one's opponent by using an unrelated topic is a time honored propaganda tactic and a logical fallacy, otherwise known as a bad argument.

I'm happy calling you out for this.

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phillips brought it up himself

its the cherry on the big fat bowl of lies that he fed everyone in his cnn interview

it would only be unrelated if phillips never brought it up

Fogdog said:

Discrediting one's opponent by using an unrelated topic is a time honored propaganda tactic and a logical fallacy, otherwise known as a bad argument.

I'm happy calling you out for this.

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every time someone (including you) in this thread thought phillips vietnam service or credibility was relevant for discussion..

tell me again how it is unrelated...

ive cut out the post numbers so that there arent lots of unnecessary notifications

UncleBuck said:

No I understand

If I were a trumptard I wouldn’t want to defend a bunch of rich white religious school kids wearing maga hats and taunting a Native American Vietnam veteran

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Johnny Lawrence said:

And that POS standing in front of a Vietnam vet doing a peace prayer??? I hope he gets hit by a fast moving bus.

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UncleBuck said:

the native american heard it.

would be kinda stupid to think a bunch of racist little pricks in maga hats were doing tomahawk chops at a native american but not yelling 'build the wall'

i believe nathan phillips. he is a lot more credible than any or all of those racist little shitheads

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Fogdog said:

According to the Native American elder in the video -- as you say he walked into the crowd of MAGAtts and the kids gave him space to walk through them. Then Jack the Ripper/Smiley blocked his path. Rip even slid to his right to block him when Nathan Phillips tried to get past him. Phillips described a confrontation even though he didn't say the word.

Here is his direct words

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/native-american-veteran-nathan-phillips-viral-video-confrontation-speaks-out-covington-catholic-high-school-students/

The kid was being a dick. There is no need to try to excuse it. I don't even know why you'd try.

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Rrog said:

Anyone that feels the Vet was the aggressor is simply brainwashed and easily manipulated

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Fogdog said:

I could post the audio where Nathan Phillips describes what happened. But clearly you refuse to believe him. I find him quite believable. Agree there is subjectivity in this. Again, no point in debating subjective opinions like this.

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ginjawarrior said:

every time someone (including you) in this thread thought phillips vietnam service or credibility was relevant for discussion..

tell me again how it is unrelated...

ive cut out the post numbers so that there arent lots of unnecessary notifications

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Wow, now you are simply lying.

I never once said his being a Vietnam Vet even mattered, much less the words you put in my mouth. My posts you cited contain no mention of Vietnam. What I have said -- that Phillips is a Native American elder and should be accorded respect as an elder -- is still true and I stand behind that.

Right wingers are radicals who often use the propaganda tactic of pulling up unrelated crap on somebody to publicly discredit them. Just like what you did to Phillips. Your kind do this because they have no real facts or good arguments so they fall back on bad ones. Now you are spinning false statements and claiming I made them.

Why are you lying and misrepresenting people? Do you do this just to feel like you've "won" the argument at this relatively totally insignificant politics forum?

Fogdog said:

Wow, now you are simply lying.

I never once said his being a Vietnam Vet even mattered, much less the words you put in my mouth. My posts you cited contain no mention of Vietnam. What I have said -- that Phillips is a Native American elder and should be accorded respect as an elder -- is still true and I stand behind that.

Right wingers are radicals who often use the propaganda tactic of pulling up unrelated crap on somebody to publicly discredit them. Just like what you did to Phillips. Your kind do this because they have no real facts or good arguments so they fall back on bad ones. Now you are spinning false statements and claiming I made them.

Why are you lying and misrepresenting people? Do you do this just to feel like you've "won" the argument at this relatively totally insignificant politics forum?

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WOW
read it again...

ginjawarrior said:

every time someone (including you) in this thread thought phillips vietnam service or credibility was relevant for discussion..

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yet again you (third this thread?) falsely accuse me

i'll await your apology

and when you put your toys back in your pram maybe a decent rebuttal as to why it can be relevant for phillips to mention, relevant for all those posters to mention

but if its questioned then its a heinous attack??

a very good write up on what happened and a message about what all of this has become

How could the elite media—The New York Times, let’s say—have protected themselves from this event, which has served to reinforce millions of Americans’ belief that traditional journalistic outlets are purveyors of “fake news”? They might have hewed to a concept that once went by the quaint term “journalistic ethics.” Among other things, journalistic ethics held that if you didn’t have the reporting to support a story, and if that story had the potential to hurt its subjects, and if those subjects were private citizens, and if they were moreover minors, you didn’t run the story. You kept reporting it; you let yourself get scooped; and you accepted that speed is not the highest value. Otherwise, you were the trash press.

At 8:30 yesterday morning, as I was typing this essay, The New York Times emailed me. The subject line was “Ethics Reminders for Freelance Journalists.” (I have occasionally published essays and reviews in the Times). It informed me, inter alia, that the Times expected all of its journalists, both freelance and staff, “to protect the integrity and credibility of Times journalism.” This meant, in part, safeguarding the Times’ “reputation for fairness and impartiality.”

I am prompted to issue my own ethics reminders for The New York Times. Here they are: You were partly responsible for the election of Trump because you are the most influential newspaper in the country, and you are not fair or impartial. Millions of Americans believe you hate them and that you will casually harm them. Two years ago, they fought back against you, and they won. If Trump wins again, you will once again have played a small but important role in that victory.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/

she is right this has been a very damaging news cycle for the media

hopefully they can do better next time

i dont hold much hope for the mindless mobs though

ginjawarrior said:

WOW
read it again...

yet again you (third this thread?) falsely accuse me

i'll await your apology

and when you put your toys back in your pram maybe a decent rebuttal as to why it can be relevant for phillips to mention, relevant for all those posters to mention

but if its questioned then its a heinous attack??

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Hey you are the guy who is obsessed with Phillps' service.

Not me.