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GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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TacoMac said:
No, you are not.

You're new. You bought what they advertised, not what you got. You're learning. You'll not make the same mistake again.

Chin up. We've all been there at one point or another.

There are more than a few guys and gals around here that can help you out with LED's if that's the way you want to go. For me, Timber makes the best, but they are VERY expensive. Worth ever penny of it.

There are a few folks around here that can walk you through building your own as well.
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Josh33 said:
And starts with better genetics when buying seeds memphisto dinefem and fast buds give me awesome results
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I grew a fastbuds lsd and fastbuds green crack.. They finished around 90 days and they were beautiful
 
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As usual...frank is right. I got this one for $350 delivered (HLG 260 QB R-Spec).
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Not a monster, but seems to be perfect for my little 24x48x60 tent. I was in the same boat as Gimmie a few months ago when I decided to come indoors and try a tent/LED. Dont sweat it brother. We are all still learning. You arent shitty. You are just trying to figure it out like the rest of us. Some of these dudes have just been trying to figure it out longer. And basically all of them are here to help (again...whats good Frank and Matty). You'll find what works for you and it will be awesome.

The marketing on Chinese blurples is SAVAGE. I took one look at the "50,000 watt LEDs for $120, and they look JUST LIKE A BLACKDOG!!!" marketing game and said fuck this. Came here, did a few weeks of reading, and am now very happy with my HLG QB. And cant wait to get a bigger tent and a BIG BOY qb...
 
GimmieThe Loot

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GimmieThe Loot said:
Wat is qbs?
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As usual...frank is right. I got this one for $350 delivered (HLG 260 QB R-Spec).
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Not a monster, but seems to be perfect for my little 24x48x60 tent. I was in the same boat as Gimmie a few months ago when I decided to come indoors and try a tent/LED. Dont sweat it brother. We are all still learning. You arent shitty. You are just trying to figure it out like the rest of us. Some of these dudes have just been trying to figure it out longer. And basically all of them are here to help (again...whats good Frank and Matty). You'll find what works for you and it will be awesome.

The marketing on Chinese blurples is SAVAGE. I took one look at the "50,000 watt LEDs for $120, and they look JUST LIKE A BLACKDOG!!!" marketing game and said fuck this. Came here, did a few weeks of reading, and am now very happy with my HLG QB. And cant wait to get a bigger tent and a BIG BOY qb...
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So wat do you guys thik about black dog led
 
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GimmieThe Loot said:
So wat do you guys thik about black dog led
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I mean...I've only heard good things from people who have bought them. But they are invested pretty heavily to talk shit about their purchase, so I don't know 100%. The results I've seen from them are stellar. But as you know, they are super expensive.

If I had the tent space and legal limit to fill it, I'd probably spend that money elsewhere and go with some big QBs before I got into blackdogs.
 
Frank Nitty

Frank Nitty

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Black-Thumb said:
As usual...frank is right. I got this one for $350 delivered (HLG 260 QB R-Spec).
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Not a monster, but seems to be perfect for my little 24x48x60 tent. I was in the same boat as Gimmie a few months ago when I decided to come indoors and try a tent/LED. Dont sweat it brother. We are all still learning. You arent shitty. You are just trying to figure it out like the rest of us. Some of these dudes have just been trying to figure it out longer. And basically all of them are here to help (again...whats good Frank and Matty). You'll find what works for you and it will be awesome.

The marketing on Chinese blurples is SAVAGE. I took one look at the "50,000 watt LEDs for $120, and they look JUST LIKE A BLACKDOG!!!" marketing game and said fuck this. Came here, did a few weeks of reading, and am now very happy with my HLG QB. And cant wait to get a bigger tent and a BIG BOY qb...
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That's where im headed... Anybody can do this if they have the determination and willingness to succeed... And an uncanny ability to cee through bullshit... And there is a lot of it on here!!! After awhile you'll figure out who is official and who isnt... Me? I'm as official as a referee's whistle!!! And the great MATTYMATT726 HAS BEEN SCHOOLING ME!!!
 
Frank Nitty

Frank Nitty

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Black-Thumb said:
I mean...I've only heard good things from people who have bought them. But they are invested pretty heavily to talk shit about their purchase, so I don't know 100%. The results I've seen from them are stellar. But as you know, they are super expensive.

If I had the tent space and legal limit to fill it, I'd probably spend that money elsewhere and go with some big QBs before I got into blackdogs.
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Get a light fixture that will fit your space... What I'm gonna do is buy a 4 light fixture with a dimmer and use that light for whatever im gonna do be it my 2x2x3,my 4x4x8,or my cabinet... Im gonna make interchangeable for whatever I feel like doing... Im on some other page with this thing!!! Its like whenever someone says we cant or shouldn't do something,im gonna do it even harder to prove them wrong!!! Ive always been an outlaw,a rebel without a pause... Im gonna start a revolution in the weed game...
 
MATTYMATT726

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Frank Nitty said:
Get a light fixture that will fit your space... What I'm gonna do is buy a 4 light fixture with a dimmer and use that light for whatever im gonna do be it my 2x2x3,my 4x4x8,or my cabinet... Im gonna make interchangeable for whatever I feel like doing... Im on some other page with this thing!!! Its like whenever someone says we cant or shouldn't do something,im gonna do it even harder to prove them wrong!!! Ive always been an outlaw,a rebel without a pause... Im gonna start a revolution in the weed game...
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Thats why i like McStrats. Oh can't top? Oh, can't transplant autos? I like seeing people that aren't afraid to do what they are not supposed to when its for a good reason/positive outcome.
 
GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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Black-Thumb said:
I mean...I've only heard good things from people who have bought them. But they are invested pretty heavily to talk shit about their purchase, so I don't know 100%. The results I've seen from them are stellar. But as you know, they are super expensive.

If I had the tent space and legal limit to fill it, I'd probably spend that money elsewhere and go with some big QBs before I got into blackdogs.
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Hm in comparison as far bud quality can qbs get you anywhere black dogs
 
GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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Ok i dont know if i should switch to 12 12 but if theyre auto thats not whats good for the plants.... Thats why i need to be 1000% sure they photos before i switch 12 12... This problem rite here will cause me to never buy auto again..... At this point shits silly.
 
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GimmieThe Loot said:
Hm in comparison as far bud quality can qbs get you anywhere black dogs
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Yes. 100%. I know a few people growing with BlackDogs, and I wouldn't say their bud is "on another level", or anything like that. Blackdogs are great lights. And they can grow some insane quality. But 2 growers of equal skill, one using a BD and one using a QB, is going to be a tough match. Not a blowout.

I think of LEDs like Stock Cars (am I saying that right?). Like the NASCAR cars?

All the "good" LED lights are all the stock cars. Are there some a little faster/lighter/better handling? Yes. Does the car that wins, win by and hour? No...they are all within seconds. Because the race companies know what works and they all do it. Like LED companies.

Someone still wins (has the best bud), but that is down to his skill WAY more then his car. A better car helps, and is VERY helpful in aiding the best drivers in winning, but we are talking seconds here, not hours.

If it was that simple, as buying a BlackDog, everyone would just save up and buy one. They are pricey, but they arent THAT prohibitively expensive that we could live without them if they were a literal game changer. And, would professional growers ever buy anything else? Probably not. It's just really not that simple. A BD light could be a factor in having awesome bud, but the grower who grows the awesome bud could probably do close to as well (or as well) with any other lighting system. Even older ones.

Light type, quality, and amount are huge factors. But, of THE QUALITY BRANDS...and of the KNOWN GROW LIGHT TYPES...brand X vs Y isnt a deciding factor to the level most people think it is. Having enough of, and the right type of, light is a equal percentage with grower skill, environment, genetics etc...

The thing is, for some of these Amazon LEDs...the ones people call "useless", you can do a lot of very interesting research to understand why they are called useless.

For me, there are 2 categories of "useless" LEDs. So I dont try to regurgitate technical info that I'm not qualified to use, I'll use the NASCAR analogy again. But, these comparisons are based on the layman's understanding I have of the Chinese blurples.

Example "A") These are the worst kind of useless. This is a shell of a NASCAR. It looks like the car pros use, but the guts are a joke. It goes 30mph, not 150mph ( meaning the spectrum is almost useless for growing plants, especially in flower)

Example "B") It will go close to as fast as a NASCAR! Which sounds great! But the handling is shit, the brakes dont work, and no pro would get in one. Could you make a KIA look like a NASCAR? Yup. Could you make it go 150mph? Yup. Would it cost $1,000,000 like a NASCAR? Not even close! But it would also be useless in a race, and would probably stop working after 1 race. The reason? You are getting performance out of it, but you are doing it by pushing something not designed to perform that way harder then it should be pushed. So it's not going to last very long, and it's missing some relevant factors that make it similar to the "pro" version.

TL;DR...for LEDs, you really get what you pay for. To a point. Past that point, paying more doesnt make that huge a difference. Buy once, cry once.
 
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GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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Yes. 100%. I know a few people growing with BlackDogs, and I wouldn't say their bud is "on another level", or anything like that. Blackdogs are great lights. And they can grow some insane quality. But 2 growers of equal skill, one using a BD and one using a QB, is going to be a tough match. Not a blowout.

I think of LEDs like Stock Cars (am I saying that right?). Like the NASCAR cars?

All the "good" LED lights are all the stock cars. Are there some a little faster/lighter/better handling? Yes. Does the car that wins, win by and hour? No...they are all within seconds. Because the race companies know what works and they all do it. Like LED companies.

Someone still wins (has the best bud), but that is down to his skill WAY more then his car. A better car helps, and is VERY helpful in aiding the best drivers in winning, but we are talking seconds here, not hours.

If it was that simple, as buying a BlackDog, everyone would just save up and buy one. They are pricey, but they arent THAT prohibitively expensive that we could live without them if they were a literal game changer. And, would professional growers ever buy anything else? Probably not. It's just really not that simple. A BD light could be a factor in having awesome bud, but the grower who grows the awesome bud could probably do close to as well (or as well) with any other lighting system. Even older ones.

Light type, quality, and amount are huge factors. But, of THE QUALITY BRANDS...and of the KNOWN GROW LIGHT TYPES...brand X vs Y isnt a deciding factor to the level most people think it is. Having enough of, and the right type of, light is a equal percentage with grower skill, environment, genetics etc...

The thing is, for some of these Amazon LEDs...the ones people call "useless", you can do a lot of very interesting research to understand why they are called useless.

For me, there are 2 categories of "useless" LEDs. So I dont try to regurgitate technical info that I'm not qualified to use, I'll use the NASCAR analogy again. But, these comparisons are based on the layman's understanding I have of the Chinese blurples.

Example "A") These are the worst kind of useless. This is a shell of a NASCAR. It looks like the car pros use, but the guts are a joke. It goes 30mph, not 150mph ( meaning the spectrum is almost useless for growing plants, especially in flower)

Example "B") It will go close to as fast as a NASCAR! Which sounds great! But the handling is shit, the brakes dont work, and no pro would get in one. Could you make a KIA look like a NASCAR? Yup. Could you make it go 150mph? Yup. Would it cost $1,000,000 like a NASCAR? Not even close! But it would also be useless in a race, and would probably stop working after 1 race. The reason? You are getting performance out of it, but you are doing it by pushing something not designed to perform that way harder then it should be pushed. So it's not going to last very long, and it's missing some relevant factors that make it similar to the "pro" version.

TL;DR...for LEDs, you really get what you pay for. To a point. Past that point, paying more doesnt make that huge a difference. Buy once, cry once.
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I appreciate the insight and the comparisons
 
Frank Nitty

Frank Nitty

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Thats why i like McStrats. Oh can't top? Oh, can't transplant autos? I like seeing people that aren't afraid to do what they are not supposed to when its for a good reason/positive outcome.
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HE'S ONE REASON THAT I DO WHAT I DO...
GimmieThe Loot said:
Ok i dont know if i should switch to 12 12 but if theyre auto thats not whats good for the plants.... Thats why i need to be 1000% sure they photos before i switch 12 12... This problem rite here will cause me to never buy auto again..... At this point shits silly.
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DONT DO THAT!!! SOME AUTOS ARE JUST SLOW LIKE THAT... GOTTA LOOK AT WHERE THE LINEAGE LIES... WAIT,DID I JUST SAY THAT??? XD DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT,BUT IT FEELS RIGHT SAYING IT...
 
GimmieThe Loot

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Frank Nitty said:
HE'S ONE REASON THAT I DO WHAT I DO...

DONT DO THAT!!! SOME AUTOS ARE JUST SLOW LIKE THAT... GOTTA LOOK AT WHERE THE LINEAGE LIES... WAIT,DID I JUST SAY THAT??? XD DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT,BUT IT FEELS RIGHT SAYING IT...
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Lol where the lineage lies huh... Wat exactly do you mean by where the lineage lies?
 
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