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Also want to add that not everyone will get the same affect via the CB1, CB2 receptors in your brain.. everyone is different. Paige is a Sativa with high Ocimene and Linolool.. But that makes me a little uneasy.. I like an Indica Dom with Mircene. I know im not spelling some of these terps correctly, but there are so many of them. Anywho, if a patient really wants to know what works for them, they need to get educated on terps, and how they affect their particular brain receptors. A lot more research needs to be done for sure before we all fully understand this.

12 days into flower now, and I think we are almost done stretching. Good bud sites are developing, and the weather has been nice and cool, still not running the AC. PH is locked in the mid 6’s and stable. Cleaned up the bottoms and will revisit that again in the next week or so.

Super-green, "reaching"/praying (whatever exactly that's due to, it seems to be a positive sign), nice canopy, everything looks great, man!

2com said:

Super-green, "reaching"/praying (whatever exactly that's due to, it seems to be a positive sign), nice canopy, everything looks great, man!

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Thank you!

DoubleAtotheRON said:

As per some great advise from @Renfro, we fed these clones from transplant at 1000 PPM of Botanicare Pro Blend, a little CalMag, and a little Mammoth P. Fed every time until flip... then I did a moderate flush of ph’d water with only Mammoth and CalMag. Just transitioned to 250 ML per 50 gallons of Tiger Bloom with the Calmag and mammothP, and adjusted PH.

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Just curious if you have tried a dry nutrient like Jacks or the many others. I would think you could save a lot of money with a grow this size by switching to a powder.
Your grow looks great! Keep the updates coming.

DoubleAtotheRON said:

Took some great advise from @Renfro to back build our genetics from Ethos. We liked the OKC (Orange Kush Cake) Early Lemon Berry, Dosi Whoa!, and a couple of others from Blimberg, Seedsman, etc. .. Strawberry Banana Grape was shit.. ditching that one this round. Got the room cleared, soil warming up in the processing room, and bleached everything down. Transplanting these clones in the morning... or afternoon, whenever I wake up. We have definitely learned alot over the past 3 runs, and this time, we want to do a more scrog approach. I really fucked up this round by not setting the net low enough. But, I didn't know how these Ethos genetics were going to stretch. We know now. Hopefully, this round will be easier on us come harvest time.... alright, here we go!View attachment 4451225View attachment 4451228View attachment 4451229View attachment 4451228

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What brand tables are those? Lookin so sexy!

Teag said:

Just curious if you have tried a dry nutrient like Jacks or the many others. I would think you could save a lot of money with a grow this size by switching to a powder.
Your grow looks great! Keep the updates coming.

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No sir we have not. Once we found a method that worked, we just stuck with it. Especially since we know how these Ethos strains react to what we have been feeding them. Nutes are not that bad in cost, we might spend $1200 a grow front to back.

killakanna said:

What brand tables are those? Lookin so sexy!

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Those are Botanicare roller trays, that slide 17 inches either way. Makes watering and trimming so much easier. They were worth every penny!

I just bought 50 lb's of dry fertilizer and was curious what the actual savings are. Couldn't find any numbers so I made my own (hopefully they are right). I don't know anything about botanicare and I'm hoping I got the figures somewhat close.
Not trying to be pushy either. Just wanted to share some info.

Jacks Fertilizer 3.6/2.4/1.2
Cost of part A = .02 $/gal
part B = .01
Epsom salt = .003
Total = 4 cents per gallon

Botanicare Pro Blend (using cost of $25 per gal) = 10 cents per gallon (using 15 mL per gal for mixing)

Would have to include the cost of cal-mag and tiger bloom to get a more accurate figure for your grow.

Teag said:

I just bought 50 lb's of dry fertilizer and was curious what the actual savings are. Couldn't find any numbers so I made my own (hopefully they are right). I don't know anything about botanicare and I'm hoping I got the figures somewhat close.
Not trying to be pushy either. Just wanted to share some info.

Jacks Fertilizer 3.6/2.4/1.2
Cost of part A = .02 $/gal
part B = .01
Epsom salt = .003
Total = 4 cents per gallon

Botanicare Pro Blend (using cost of $25 per gal) = 10 cents per gallon (using 15 mL per gal for mixing)

Would have to include the cost of cal-mag and tiger bloom to get a more accurate figure for your grow.

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I was just shooting from the hip on cost. I never put any hard number to it, but our most expensive nute mix is prob Mammoth P at $200 a liter.

Teag said:

I just bought 50 lb's of dry fertilizer and was curious what the actual savings are. Couldn't find any numbers so I made my own (hopefully they are right). I don't know anything about botanicare and I'm hoping I got the figures somewhat close.
Not trying to be pushy either. Just wanted to share some info.

Jacks Fertilizer 3.6/2.4/1.2
Cost of part A = .02 $/gal
part B = .01
Epsom salt = .003
Total = 4 cents per gallon

Botanicare Pro Blend (using cost of $25 per gal) = 10 cents per gallon (using 15 mL per gal for mixing)

Would have to include the cost of cal-mag and tiger bloom to get a more accurate figure for your grow.

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Don't forget, and this depends on where you live and availability but the water weight from liquid nutrients can be a big additional cost. Also, I just don't wanna buy the water. And storage (space, shelf life, etc.)
I'm surprised it's only (only?) just over double the cost...but wait, that's pretty significant isn't it? Lots of variables here, 50Lbs of Jacks (A), CalNit (B), and MgSO4 for a small - maybe even medium sized personal grow - is...fuckin, years and years...and years worth of nutrients? What's 50Lbs of liquid nutrients? Online calculator says basically 6 pounds (hard to believe...), and that doesn't include the (relatively small) amount of elements inside (for weight I mean).

Anyways, just thinking out loud. Carry on

2com said:

Don't forget, and this depends on where you live and availability but the water weight from liquid nutrients can be a big additional cost. Also, I just don't wanna buy the water. And storage (space, shelf life, etc.)
I'm surprised it's only (only?) just over double the cost...but wait, that's pretty significant isn't it? Lots of variables here, 50Lbs of Jacks (A), CalNit (B), and MgSO4 for a small - maybe even medium sized personal grow - is...fuckin, years and years...and years worth of nutrients? What's 50Lbs of liquid nutrients? Online calculator says basically 6 pounds (hard to believe...), and that doesn't include the (relatively small) amount of elements inside (for weight I mean).

Anyways, just thinking out loud. Carry on

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I was trying to find a cheap price that someone with a large grow could buy it at. For a home grower the Pro blend is going to cost closer to $35 per gallon (Amazon 5 gallon price). Which works out to 14 cents a gallon (3.5 times more expensive).
I'll stop hijacking now, Please carry on

Teag said:

I was trying to find a cheap price that someone with a large grow could buy it at. For a home grower the Pro blend is going to cost closer to $35 per gallon (Amazon 5 gallon price). Which works out to 14 cents a gallon (3.5 times more expensive).
I'll stop hijacking now, Please carry on

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That't what RIU is all about, information!... anywho, these dry nutes you speak of, do they easily dissolve in the water tank?

DoubleAtotheRON said:

That't what RIU is all about, information!... anywho, these dry nutes you speak of, do they easily dissolve in the water tank?

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Yea. And for example, you can mix up a "stock solution", ie: There's websites with companies like master blend, probably jacks I think - can't remember, and it's a fairly common practice to do so. You can mix it up to whatever concentration you'd like (and will result in you then needing to add "x" mL of part A and "x" mL of part B (for example) just as you'd do with any liquid nutrient.
This is exactly what the liquid nutrient companies are doing. You could probably (certainly? hah) do enough for a whole cycle, or a half cycle, and then be good for that amount of time.
American Hydro (or a guy using their formula. They have an actual blog/article page about it if you wanna see): Vitaly from ChilLED:
OR, of course, you can just mix up what you need either in a large res/trash container/etc. with a water pump at the bottom for mixing, one part at a time. Or in a 5 gal bucket (easier to mix with a pump) then add them, in order to the larger res/container after they're fully mixed in the 5 gal bucket. Or (again, haha) you can do this with a magnetic stirrer or similar - probably better at smaller amounts/batches.

The stock solution method sounds like what would suit you though.

Edit: By the way, to directly answer your question, I'd say certain things dissolve easier/faster than others. For Jacks, the actual "Jacks" (5-12-26) is the "slowest". Calcium Nitrate (little balls) is quicker. MgSO4 (Epsom) is even faster maybe than the CalNit.

2com said:

Yea. And for example, you can mix up a "stock solution", ie:

There's websites with companies like master blend, probably jacks I think - can't remember, and it's a fairly common practice to do so. You can mix it up to whatever concentration you'd like (and will result in you then needing to add "x" mL of part A and "x" mL of part B (for example) just as you'd do with any liquid nutrient.
This is exactly what the liquid nutrient companies are doing. You could probably (certainly? hah) do enough for a whole cycle, or a half cycle, and then be good for that amount of time.
American Hydro (or a guy using their formula. They have an actual blog/article page about it if you wanna see):

Vitaly from ChilLED:

OR, of course, you can just mix up what you need either in a large res/trash container/etc. with a water pump at the bottom for mixing, one part at a time. Or in a 5 gal bucket (easier to mix with a pump) then add them, in order to the larger res/container after they're fully mixed in the 5 gal bucket. Or (again, haha) you can do this with a magnetic stirrer or similar - probably better at smaller amounts/batches.

The stock solution method sounds like what would suit you though.

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Good info!!!..... Im prob too lazy to do this LOL!!! I can mix up my 55 gallons in about 6 minutes. I've got a good routine down to where I can dump 30ml Mammoth, 450ml Tiger, 50ml CalMag, and 50ml of Rasta PH up and end up at 800ppm and 7.1 ph every time. Because like yesterday, I went through abut 135 gallons to water the inventory.

DoubleAtotheRON said:

Good info!!!..... Im prob too lazy to do this LOL!!!

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Haha. I hear you. You can't can make it so that there's (nearly) no manual mixing at all though. It's like put scoop in agitating container, continue what you were doing or not doing, then at your leisure add the next, carry on with procrastination or work, then remember you did that thing earlier and that it's now ready. Haha.
For me, the pros vastly outweigh the ...."cons".
Edit: Also, it's hard to mess with something working excellent for you. So yea
Edit: Shit, messed up the main point. Fixed in bold.

DoubleAtotheRON said:

Good info!!!..... Im prob too lazy to do this LOL!!! I can mix up my 55 gallons in about 6 minutes. I've got a good routine down to where I can dump 30ml Mammoth, 450ml Tiger, 50ml CalMag, and 50ml of Rasta PH up and end up at 800ppm and 7.1 ph every time. Because like yesterday, I went through abut 135 gallons to water the inventory.

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Right now in my grow its mixing Part A and epsom salt in one bucket. Mixing Part B in another bucket, fill up rez and PH. I like working with the powder over the liquids. The liquids were too messy for me, but to each his own.

Just curious roughly how many gallons do you think you use a month?

This is the best video for learning about dry nutrients IMO. Short version - cheaper, more control over individual nutrients throughout grow.

Teag said:

Right now in my grow its mixing Part A and epsom salt in one bucket. Mixing Part B in another bucket, fill up rez and PH. I like working with the powder over the liquids. The liquids were too messy for me, but to each his own.

Just curious roughly how many gallons do you think you use a month?

This is the best video for learning about dry nutrients IMO. Short version - cheaper, more control over individual nutrients throughout grow.

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Id say we go through about 2500-2700 gallons a month.

DoubleAtotheRON said:

Id say we go through about 2500-2700 gallons a month.

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With that amount, you would save ALOT of money by switching to jacks. I think weighing things on a scale is far easier and more accurate than measuring mls. If you are mixing the same amount every time, you could portion out weeks or months worth fairly easily. I have a paint stirrer attachment on my drill that i mix my res with. All 3 products have over 90% solubility, so they are extremely easy to mix, and i notice no ph swing of i mix a bigger res that lasts a few days or more (i hand water). As for not wanting to leave what you know; everyone uses the basic 3,2,1 formula (or SLIGHT alteration) with jacks with awesome results

ianc4990 said:

With that amount, you would save ALOT of money by switching to jacks. I think weighing things on a scale is far easier and more accurate than measuring mls. If you are mixing the same amount every time, you could portion out weeks or months worth fairly easily. I have a paint stirrer attachment on my drill that i mix my res with. All 3 products have over 90% solubility, so they are extremely easy to mix, and i notice no ph swing of i mix a bigger res that lasts a few days or more (i hand water). As for not wanting to leave what you know; everyone uses the basic 3,2,1 formula (or SLIGHT alteration) with jacks with awesome results

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Something to think about for next round for sure!. After we finish up this round, we're going to take a break, it's just too hot to run in July and August. We'll keep some good mothers in there, and shut down 3 of the 18 lights to get them ready for clones. I can control July/Aug heat with just 3 lights, but not 18. I can remember 90+ days in a row here during the summer with triple digit temps.... it's brutal. Everyone just stays indoors until nightfall.