Complete Dark for 5 days/pre-flower

K was just making sure you werent using it as proof that people were coming at ya lol. Glad to c no hurt feelings, definitely not my intent

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I'm NOT reading this whole thread because honestly people are treating the OP like jerks for asking a theory question. I fear for your time in the real world, a-holes. Generally people learn by questioning.

Good Question!
 
PlantManBee said:
I'm NOT reading this whole thread because honestly people are treating the OP like jerks for asking a theory question. I fear for your time in the real world, a-holes. Generally people learn by questioning.

Good Question!
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I would say that most approached this with good intentions, but those that did not certainly could spoil a grow (or thread) faster than their mommy finding out what's in their closet. (Like your signature. Ha!) There is a recap, showing kind of both, but whose purpose was to show the trend of the response to the question and not really to show any offense I might have taken.
 
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PlantManBee said:
I'm NOT reading this whole thread because honestly people are treating the OP like jerks for asking a theory question. I fear for your time in the real world, a-holes. Generally people learn by questioning.

Good Question!
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so you didn't take the time or effort to read the whole thread but yet you chastise the people replying to his theoretical question

I fear for your time in the real world if you publish your opinions without knowing the facts

Personally, I try my best to see both sides of every story....in this case the OP has been a bit guilty of stirring the pot, hence the negative feedback from some respectable members
 
I mean he did post it in the newbiew section. If this was in the advanced section then yes I would say potential pot stirrer. But I feel its pretty obvious that dude was just trying to clear up something he had heard but not seen practiced here.
Point being there were some dicks who instantly shunned this poor guy, its not like he told everybody in this thread that we are growing wrong but just simply asking a question.

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Its also called "shock ripening"....and there are many ways to achieve. One being ice cold water feeding before harvest, in theory it would cause the plant too finish/ripen for breeding as quickly as it can...which may speed things up? Have heard the extended dark question many times....and have heard both sides of the "did it work" question.....some will say it does, some will say "why waste your time" and by the looks of it...you have heard them all.....lol.....Only way too find out=try it in your garden. I don't think this theory will ever be disproven or proven here....lol :) Good luck pal! Cheers! :)
 
I didn't see any pot stirring on the OP's part...so why read the thread all the way through? So I could see if they were hacking on him in the right way? He asked a theory question, and because he asked question people thought was "dumb" they started calling him names.... He DID say the word naysayer (OH MY!!) but quickly back pedaled in a NICE way...BTW naysayer isn't a derogatory term :/ it means a sceptic, in other words, questioner... which leads to knowledge.

We all start with ZERO knowledge. So if someone asks a question, at some point YOU, I, and EVERY other person on the planet didn't know the answer to begin with.
 
Plants need photosynthesis for nearly everything they do, 5 days without it isn't going to help.

Also, there's no point in doing it 5 days straight, as even though it's the dark period that matters for SDPs (short day plants), it needs to be interrupted by light to result in a cycle (qualitative photoperiod... google). Plants take 0.5-4hrs to adjust to darkness, but detect light very quickly.So if you wanted to initiate flowering faster by messing with the light cycle, you should still turn on the light briefly. For example 12 dark, 1 light. That would at least have some theoretic botanic basis. Turning off the light for 5 days is just a bad idea.
 
Sativied said:
Plants need photosynthesis for nearly everything they do, 5 days without it isn't going to help.

Also, there's no point in doing it 5 days straight, as even though it's the dark period that matters for SDPs (short day plants), it needs to be interrupted by light to result in a cycle (qualitative photoperiod... google). Plants take 0.5-4hrs to adjust to darkness, but detect light very quickly.So if you wanted to initiate flowering faster by messing with the light cycle, you should still turn on the light briefly. For example 12 dark, 1 light. That would at least have some theoretic botanic basis. Turning off the light for 5 days is just a bad idea.
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Everything you just said makes perfect sense to me.......Good Post! :) Yet maybe a 48 hr dark period may work? Hmmm....:) You got me thinking Sativied! :)
 
Warriorbuds said:
Yet maybe a 48 hr dark period may work? Hmmm....:)
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If my post made perfect sense you should be able to answer that question yourself, but: theoretically turn on light during hour 13, 25, and 37. In practice, just use 12/12, unless you don't mind less yield and want to experiment for the sake of experimenting. Things like this (photoperiodism and flower initiation for example) have been extensively tested already.
 
Sativied said:
If my post made perfect sense you should be able to answer that question yourself, but: theoretically turn on light during hour 13, 25, and 37. In practice, just use 12/12, unless you don't mind less yield and want to experiment for the sake of experimenting. Things like this (photoperiodism and flower initiation for example) have been extensively tested already.
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That's the first thing that comes too mind....the science.....but I'm always looking for a way to push the envelope via stress(proven improvements as their are ways too increase yield using stress) as crazy as that sounds.....Call me a dreamer.....lol
 
Sativied said:
No, "there" are not. It's not crazy, just ignorant and naive. Which is the good news, because crazy is harder to fix.
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Oh Geesus...........There gotta be someone else that you want too go disagree with isn't there? I was trying to be nice guy.....lol LST, Supercropping, topping.....all ways too improve yield using low stress...knock yourself out bud! lol Bro...your no masia....just a t-shirt of the week....so who's ignorant? lol
 
Ignorant means refusing to accept the facts. Naive means unknowing/uneducated. Only someone ignorant and unknowing ona cannabis forum thinks he can come up with a better light cycle than experts have determined. No offense, just putting it blunt.

Not that many people around on 4th of July, you will have to do. :)

By the way, low stress training is about being a less stressful alternative to high stress training techniques such as topping and supercropping, it in no way means stress=more yield, on the contrary,
 
I know most wanted this thread to die a slow miserable death...but maybe I will create the poster child for just that. I have decided to not go 5 days though as with more consultation with my bud he sensed my trepidation and suggested I just do three days this first time around....so that is kind of the plan. Lights went off last evening and will not go on until Sunday sometime between 20:00 and 23:00. So it will be close to a 72 hour dark starting period. I took this picture right before I pulled the plug:
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and I will take another from the same angle moments after the lights go on for your amusement or bemusement. Oh and I also got some additional info on how this all started for him and he said it was suggested to him by another and he tested it by splitting up his grow at flower time. Half his plants were put outside to flower the other half he put in the dark for 5 days. After the 5 days they all went in the same room with 12/12 until the finish. He said the magic started for the "dark" batch in 8 days where it was over a week later for the other... and the difference was seen through to harvest. This was a decade ago and he's never turned back. I guess we will see what happens.
 
Had to make a quick visit to spritz the clones so I took advantage of the clone cabinet light to take a pic of the ladies after 48 hours in the dark. They look quite happy. I am pleased. When I pulled the plug a couple days ago I felt like a parent putting their kid on a plane all alone. A little bit of stretch but not a whole lot...tallest plant gained just under an inch in height. 24 more hours and then they will start 12/12.
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On another note I had given my clones a good drenching and kept them under their solo domes as they also did not get any attention for 48 hours. A number of leaf ends were discolored with a mottled yellow. I nipped off the yellow, spritzed them good, and removed the solo domes. Any opinions on whether those moves were good or bad, appreciated.
 
bravedave said:
Had to make a quick visit to spritz the clones so I took advantage of the clone cabinet light to take a pic of the ladies after 48 hours in the dark. They look quite happy. I am pleased. When I pulled the plug a couple days ago I felt like a parent putting their kid on a plane all alone. A little bit of stretch but not a whole lot...tallest plant gained just under an inch in height. 24 more hours and then they will start 12/12.
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On another note I had given my clones a good drenching and kept them under their solo domes as they also did not get any attention for 48 hours. A number of leaf ends were discolored with a mottled yellow. I nipped off the yellow, spritzed them good, and removed the solo domes. Any opinions on whether those moves were good or bad, appreciated.
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bravedave i and maybe others would like you to continue this untill completion. In my simple mind i would prefer less variables. Try to keep this simple. I belive plants grow with more health when left to do their thang. Secondly if you faff too much it could leave you guessing should anything go wrong. My belief on this experiment is irrelevant. But so your not scratching your head i would advise leaving them leaves as best you can,obviously removing dead matter and eventually dead practices lol. Keep growing don't over think it don't baby them theyre plants.
 
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