Coco VS soil. Same strain. Planted at the same time. Unreal

jonnynobody

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If you're in a good sized raised bed, you could reuse the soil indefinitely as long as you keep cover crop going, top dressing, and mulching, and the soil quality gets better with every cycle, if you keep the soil fed and thriving with life. With an earthbox, a couple cycles and you would probably have to add new soil, but a bigger diy sip could probably run a lot more cycles.

Those reveg bushes are killer! I wish I could grow outdoors, but they don't allow it in my state.
What does the cover crop do? I've noticed in most of the no till pics I've seen there's always an abundance of companion plants growing in the same pot. Looks very garden-of-edin-ish :)
 

jonnynobody

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I just had to buckle down with the fact that i was growing landraces and theyre very touchy with syntetics. You give them too much of any nute and it can send them into a shit spiral that they never recover from. Flora works great with most mainstream strains though
I'm gonna go ahead and admit it - I'm a little jealous :) I've always wanted to grow one of the landrace strains but my god the seeds are expensive. Have you harvested any of those strains yet? If so what did you think of the quality compared to other run of the mill strains? I hear those s1's are the best of the best.
 

Hollatchaboy

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I just had to buckle down with the fact that i was growing landraces and theyre very touchy with syntetics. You give them too much of any nute and it can send them into a shit spiral that they never recover from. Flora works great with most mainstream strains though
Agreed. I've gotten it to work with the strains I've grown. I use the Lucas formula, and actually this run I had a N tox. issue about week 4 that I hadn't gotten before. I backed down the micro a bit and it seems to have helped, but otherwise, it's worked great. For me though, organics is easier, at least mentally. I don't have to think about it as much. Lol
 

Hollatchaboy

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What does the cover crop do? I've noticed in most of the no till pics I've seen there's always an abundance of companion plants growing in the same pot. Looks very garden-of-edin-ish :)
It does a few things....
1. It keeps root life in the soil, keeping soil biology active.
2. It helps with water retention.
3. Shades the soil surface where a lot of microbial and fungal life thrive.

Then, when you chop it, it adds nutrition to the soil. Certain varieties have nitrogen fixing qualities.

Think of a forest. Leaves, branches, bark from trees, other plants, animals, insects, etc..... all that breaks down, feeding bacteria and fungus, and in turn those microbes feed your plants! :bigjoint:
 

PJ Diaz

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You also have no control plant.
The plant in soil would be the control plant, if that is what you are comparing new findings against. The idea that you would somehow have a control plant in a different medium is nonsense.
 
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trychrome

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@PopAndSonGrows and I are doing a long-distance side-by-side with some special HSC Mountaintop Mint Fems.

This is just a fun, friendly competition to see who gets the best haul and by no means scientific

I'm using Soil King- Big Rootz in a 4-gallon fabric pot and PopandSonGrows is using coco in a 3-gallon. Seeds were germinated on Sept 04. He has about a 10 hour advantage.
I'm using pH'd water with castings and compost and PaSG is using Flora Trio I believe.

I topped mine at about 3-4 weeks and used my "Hobo scrog"(coined by PopAndSonGrows) method of lazy LST, while PaSG topped his early and started LST immediately.

Flowering started on 10/28 and we're both using an 11/13 light cycle. Mine has been under LED the entire time and PaSG started out with a CMH but had to ditch it due to bulb or ballast failure(can't remember which).
This is where we're at as of today-

Mine:
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PTJMTM leaf.jpeg

PopandSonGrows:

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pasg _MTM FS leaf.jpg

PopandSonGrows' appears to have Freakshow tendencies while mine appears relatively "normal".

Happy Growing and :peace:

edit: typos
 

m4s73r

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Well this was a fun read. I need to find out about where this heavy metal stuff is coming from in organics. Not sure how you get heavy metals from leaf mold and ewcs. Interesting. Im too lazy for coco. Wont deny that its got it in speed. But not the complexity that organic soil has. And then theres all the garden work. Bed life for me.

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JimmyJackCorn

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Well this was a fun read. I need to find out about where this heavy metal stuff is coming from in organics. Not sure how you get heavy metals from leaf mold and ewcs. Interesting. Im too lazy for coco. Wont deny that its got it in speed. But not the complexity that organic soil has. And then theres all the garden work. Bed life for me.

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If I understand correctly, most heavy metals in organic grows come from amendments. Other products can contain them as well. @Rurumo has done extensive work here, and even has a thread for it.
 
I wish I knew. A friend sent them to me from another state. The pouch that had the seeds had anime characters from what looked like dragon ball z. I think he got them from true north seed bank. I think the breeder may have been canuk seeds. She's a very stinky strain. Same as the white widow. I love sativa dominant strains like the SC. Monster plants with extensive branching for yields that put indica / indica dominant strains to shame. I've always found more complex flavors, aromas, and effects from sativa leaning strains. I'd love to try a super silver haze sometime. The long flower time is brutal though. One day...one day :)
Your plants look great man. I did soil first grow and am on coco for my second and all my plants looked not perfect like yours. I’m curious what EC and PH are you feeding for coco and what temp humidity are you maintaining? My souls grow was my first ever and I grew some straight gas but this coco is killing me.
 

jonnynobody

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Your plants look great man. I did soil first grow and am on coco for my second and all my plants looked not perfect like yours. I’m curious what EC and PH are you feeding for coco and what temp humidity are you maintaining? My souls grow was my first ever and I grew some straight gas but this coco is killing me.
5.8 ph and 1.6 ec, temp 77-82F, and humidity is variable depending on season. Winter is usually 25-35% RH and 40-50% in summer. I recommend canna brand coco in the brick form. Cheap, clean, buffered, and free of contaminants.
 
5.8 ph and 1.6 ec, temp 77-82F, and humidity is variable depending on season. Winter is usually 25-35% RH and 40-50% in summer. I recommend canna brand coco in the brick form. Cheap, clean, buffered, and free of contaminants.
Damn your humidity is incredibly low. Maybe mines just too high. But either way thank you for the info brotha I appreciate you
 

jonnynobody

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Damn your humidity is incredibly low. Maybe mines just too high. But either way thank you for the info brotha I appreciate you
In the winter with forced air heat running constantly when it gets down to single digit temperatures the RH is tough to control. I could run a humidifier in the nurseries but with my exhaust fans running they wouldn't do much as the fan is pulling the moisture out immediately. The low RH doesn't seem to affect growth so I've never really thought much about it. For seedlings I use a dome. Happy growing dude!
 

Paul-n-Chukka

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My buddy runs coco with my cuts.
His produce doesn't even resemble mine in aroma and flavor. In fact when he has mislabeled I haven't been able to tell him exactly what some were.
He supplements with organics and micros wherever he can but it can't compare to crab meal, castings juice and guanos
 

myke

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In the winter with forced air heat running constantly when it gets down to single digit temperatures the RH is tough to control. I could run a humidifier in the nurseries but with my exhaust fans running they wouldn't do much as the fan is pulling the moisture out immediately. The low RH doesn't seem to affect growth so I've never really thought much about it. For seedlings I use a dome. Happy growing dude!
Same here,sometimes it works out,the cold hit around 6 weeks flower so I went from 55 down to 30 last 2 weeks.Always wanted to drop humidity in the last weeks now I got it.
 

VincenzioVonHook

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Right..? Grow log? he just says Soil vs Coco, as if all soils are even remotely equal....which soil? Organic? Fertilized? Super soil? bag? what ph was the soil set at? Did you add water at the proper ph to match the substrate? No Air pots? Fabric? Idk OP I feel like you're going to get pummeled here....This is your post in a nutshell..... Hey... this apple is better than this orange, Well hmmm.....what kind of orange, your readers ask? No you dont get those details... you must trust Im a capable soil grower....and my choice of soil/Mycos/perlites/amendments....my feeding schedule...my ability to maintain the eco system, my watering, my ability to know the limits of how close I can have the light to the organic substrate, my choice of light and darkness schedule.. I mean Coco is NO WHERE NEAR soil as far as watering schedules..., coco coir is used for water retention, why compare it with soil? watering the same? Because that says alot about your watering knowledge.......(also if you have baby dick roots in a legit organic soil grow with a proper eco system......I cant attest to the fact you dont know what you're doing) and Im not saying one is better than the other, as I dont think that can be proven, its personal choice, coco needs to be watered a lot more......And some people prefer its retention properties and ive seen SUPER nice coco grows......But on the flip side..... I could show you pictures from overgrow.net from 2001 all organic soil grows that SLAP anything you've ever grown....in any substrate... does that mean soils better? no....so whats the point of premising like this? to start arguments? A simple, declaration of hey, i prefer this over this and heres my testing... instead.. its just insulting to anyone who choices soil grow, as someone who is choosing an inferior method...Then the first person that asks an obvious question....you call a cupcake...and insult them....just...doesn't seem legit.
How many vaginas do you have?
 

Kassiopeija

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Both peat and coco are inert mediums.
hmm where does this myth that peat is inert come from? I'm sorry for pointing this out but reading this in grower forums all the time. ofc it's not fully enriched like worm castings but still, if you correct its acidic ph with dol etc some forms eg black peat takes through early veg alone, it contains N, just not much K, also lots of micro & other non-essentials/beneficials. as it is plant material that is broken/breaking down
 

Hollatchaboy

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In the winter with forced air heat running constantly when it gets down to single digit temperatures the RH is tough to control. I could run a humidifier in the nurseries but with my exhaust fans running they wouldn't do much as the fan is pulling the moisture out immediately. The low RH doesn't seem to affect growth so I've never really thought much about it. For seedlings I use a dome. Happy growing dude!
I thought I was going to have that problem. I run my tent exhausts 24/7. My house rh is around 23% right now. My 1 gallon humidifiers keep my tents between 50-60%, and I only have to refill every couple days. I don't get it, but I'm not complaining.
 
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