Co2 with LED

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MatiasMunk

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Hi, I've read co2 doesn't work with led.
But I've also read all it needs to use co2 efficiently is to raise temperature to 80-86f.
So I have 3x viparspectra 600w, which will also run hot, when all run together, at least 90f in temp easy, if I want to.
I can maintain 80-90f easy.
So shouldn't co2 be efficient to use then, no??
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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As long as your delivering the needed amount of photons to make the Co2 effective, and your temps/RH are good...YES!
 
chiqifella

chiqifella

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c02 doesnt work for plants like that...
like oxygen doesnt work for people that way....

regardless of available light plants will not grow without c02.
the amount that is naturally available, the amount they can use,
the amount they will use, what differences it may make.....
all depends upon your whole environment. The best lights with the shittiest controls will
fail just like the best controls with weak lights.
 
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MatiasMunk

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Well, obviously (well I guess not actually) I'm speaking of a controlled environment, that is sealed off, has enough light, enough rh for stomatas to be open for the plant to transpire, and enough warmth for higher co2 ppm levels to work well.
All I wanted to know was if led can be used with all of these factors included, which I've read led is not viable, but if these factors are in the environment, is led viable?
Now you just created doubt in me again, so let me reformulate my question:
Is led viable to use 1000 ppm levels co2 with these environmental factors included?
 
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Ryante55

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MatiasMunk said:
Well, obviously (well I guess not actually) I'm speaking of a controlled environment, that is sealed off, has enough light, enough rh for stomatas to be open for the plant to transpire, and enough warmth for higher co2 ppm levels to work well.
All I wanted to know was if led can be used with all of these factors included, which I've read led is not viable, but if these factors are in the environment, is led viable?
Now you just created doubt in me again, so let me reformulate my question:
Is led viable to use 1000 ppm levels co2 with these environmental factors included?
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I would say you need at least 40w/sqft of highly efficient led to see benefits from additional co2. Viparspectra is pretty low efficiency so I would guess you need more like 50 w/sqft. That's real watts.
 
chiqifella

chiqifella

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viable might negate that. while your plants will surely benefit in a sealed environment with added c02, the cost of say 1000 ppm management may not be viable for your situation, while maybe 500ppms could be, or not at all. Id first measure your c02 in your environment to to decide exactly what you need and the best course of action to provide it. Without that its all guesswork.
mine adds humidity that needs to be controlled, propane gas needing replenishing, an open flame in my grow room and added heat all needing to be micro managed full time. that said....I'd replace my generator in one day if it failed.
 
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Ryante55

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So basically spent the money you would spend on co2 for better lights an you will see a better change in growth
 
Rider509

Rider509

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The plant doesn't care what's making the light as long as it exhibits the right spectrum and intensity. For additional CO2 to be effectively utilized a PPFD of maybe 800 to 1000 works well, along with the other environmental variables you mentioned.

If you have a completely controlled environment and your grow is dialed in perfectly you can see explosive results with additional CO2. If not, then spend your efforts on gaining control of the other variables first.
 
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MatiasMunk

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278 actual watt per lamp, so 834w total, do you think this is enough for Co2, in terms of light intensity/par?
The 3 lamps are right next to each other in a 4x4 tent, and I've read more small lamps are better than few big lamps in terms of spreading the intensity of light.
Here's a photo, to give an idea, think it's possible?
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Ryante55

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MatiasMunk said:
278 actual watt per lamp, so 834w total, do you think this is enough for Co2, in terms of light intensity/par?
The 3 lamps are right next to each other in a 4x4 tent, and I've read more small lamps are better than few big lamps in terms of spreading the intensity of light.
Here's a photo, to give an idea, think it's possible?
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It would help but if you have the extra cash a lighting upgrade would be more beneficial imo.
 
Rider509

Rider509

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MatiasMunk said:
278 actual watt per lamp, so 834w total, do you think this is enough for Co2, in terms of light intensity/par?
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See if you can find PPFD numbers for your lights. I'm sure someone here has checked them with a PAR meter. The ViparSpectras are popular lights, so I'd venture a guess that you have enough light energy available to use CO2.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MatiasMunk said:
278 actual watt per lamp, so 834w total, do you think this is enough for Co2, in terms of light intensity/par?
The 3 lamps are right next to each other in a 4x4 tent, and I've read more small lamps are better than few big lamps in terms of spreading the intensity of light.
Here's a photo, to give an idea, think it's possible?
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I'd get better lights before spending money on CO2, in my opinion CO2 should be the last thing you add to a grow room.
 
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MatiasMunk

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Thing is these lights are fairly new, and they do amazing grows, I've seen grow journals reaching up to 400 grams per plant from just one 1200w viparspectra, and I have 3 600w, which equals 1800w, better spread in light. I am almost sure it has the correct light par, cause I believe I saw a video off it, showing very good results.
 
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Ryante55

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MatiasMunk said:
Thing is these lights are fairly new, and they do amazing grows, I've seen grow journals reaching up to 400 grams per plant from just one 1200w viparspectra, and I have 3 600w, which equals 1800w, better spread in light. I am almost sure it has the correct light par, cause I believe I saw a video off it, showing very good results.
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Ok do it why are you asking questions here?
 
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MatiasMunk

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Cause I am a beginner grower, and I am asking a specific questions I am not getting a specific answer to.
I am not looking for new lights.
The question is, if these lights are viable for co2, when used the way I do, you have yet to answer the question, I am not trying to be offensive in anyway, I'm just looking for an answer.

I'm not good with par reading, can you help me with this question?
Are 3 viparspectra 600w's good enough for using co2 in a closed environment with correct humidity and temperature?

I found this on the Internet, maybe it can help you answer my question. I don't really know what to make of it.
viparspectra-reflector-series-600w-par-value.jpg viparspectra-reflector-series-600w-height-chart.jpg

My tent is 4x4x8.
 
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Ryante55

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MatiasMunk said:
Cause I am a beginner grower, and I am asking a specific questions I am not getting a specific answer to.
I am not looking for new lights.
The question is, if these lights are viable for co2, when used the way I do, you have yet to answer the question, I am not trying to be offensive in anyway, I'm just looking for an answer.

I'm not good with par reading, can you help me with this question?
Are 3 viparspectra 600w's good enough for using co2 in a closed environment with correct humidity and temperature?

I found this on the Internet, maybe it can help you answer my question. I don't really know what to make of it.
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My tent is 4x4x8.
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Yes it will work it's not a good idea in any way but you do have the light output. If you are trying to increase yield to make more money there are better options.
 
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