CO2 - best time to use

harris hawk said:

Thanks guy's approx cost "datbreaker"

3-4 weeks in vegation ? thinking that one uses co2 thru out grow? until last 2 weeks of flower and use in veg, per-flower and flower ? Thanks all

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I spent $1600 approximately but that included new hortilux bulbs and a filter system.The controller was about $450 and the burner was $240.I kinda agree with the amount of lumens your using...BUT go with the mushroom compost co2 bags.They last for a few months or basically a full run.

daybreaker said:

I spent $1600 approximately but that included new hortilux bulbs and a filter system.The controller was about $450 and the burner was $240.I kinda agree with the amount of lumens your using...BUT go with the mushroom compost co2 bags.They last for a few months or basically a full run.

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Thanks; but don't Green Pads or arsoles (the Enhancer) work better? (than bags?) info please - thanks

harris hawk said:

Thanks; but don't Green Pads or arsoles (the Enhancer) work better? (than bags?) info please - thanks

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yeah if you like fucking up the environment with added chemicals.mushroom bags are all natural and last way longer so no arisols aren't better.IMO

Lol I just have two gallon jugs with yeast and sugar that gets percolated to remove the alcohol. I'm not sure how much benefit I get but I know for a fact it makes at least 500cm/3 of Co2 each day simply because I have to add that much shit and more back into the equation every day. I use a cup of sugar and a tablespoon of yeast and add more every day, change it about every three days. Then again I use a sealed 40 square foot poly-film tent with only one passive intake, so that's the only reason I can get away with so little. Also, if i was going to use tanks I'd probably just refill them myself using dry ice. That shit is cheap as hell and makes enough co2 to fill those tanks many times over.

actually co2 works better for vegetation than flower..and you can run it the whole time if you want to. i do because i have new plants coming into the room all the time. but co2 increases vegetation and growth of the plant. i believe its not recommended on seedlings the plant needs to be established to be able to use the co2.

also you would need a bunch of myco bags to get the same effect as a burner or a tank. and your room needs to be sealed. if your going with the bags i would atleast get a co2 monitor and make sure your getting the co2 levels you want around your plants at the canopy and such. you may find out you need like 20 bags lol.

ServingSize1oz said:

Lol I just have two gallon jugs with yeast and sugar that gets percolated to remove the alcohol. I'm not sure how much benefit I get but I know for a fact it makes at least 500cm/3 of Co2 each day simply because I have to add that much shit and more back into the equation every day. I use a cup of sugar and a tablespoon of yeast and add more every day, change it about every three days. Then again I use a sealed 40 square foot poly-film tent with only one passive intake, so that's the only reason I can get away with so little. Also, if i was going to use tanks I'd probably just refill them myself using dry ice. That shit is cheap as hell and makes enough co2 to fill those tanks many times over.

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if you have an intake your room is not sealed and your losing your co2 very quickly to dissipation.

and how in the world are you going to compress your co2 into a tank from dry ice never heard of that.

harris hawk said:

Really don't know how to start CO2 "therapy" Cost is high? Know a 3by3 grow space is to small for a tank set up -example. What would you say to be the minumin grow space that tanks can be used properly ? Keeping it simple what would a person need to start with and still being not to costly? another words start-up cost?

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startup for co2 is always expensive.a tank would work a long time for you in a 3x3 space start cost can be 300 dollars to 700 dollars depending on what you want. all you need is a regulator (125-150) on the tank, the tank(150ish, 20 for exchanges is what they do at my grow shop), and a timer (20 bucks for a good one i guess)to hook the regulator into. they have a chart with the regulators that shows how much and how long to release the co2 by cubic feet. the extra stuff is the controller that regulates it perfectly to 1500 for you without a timer. they usually run about 250-350 bucks.


you could try the bags but you would need a monitor to make sure they are working which is a couple hundred probably or you can get the syringes that are like 20 bucks and 5 or 6 dollars per test tube you connect to the syringe. ive got 6 bags in a 4x4 tent right now gonna give them a few weeks then gonna start testing co2 levels after i think they are working properly some are new some are older and have more mycelium in them or whatever.

mrblu said:

if you have an intake your room is not sealed and your losing your co2 very quickly to dissipation.

and how in the world are you going to compress your co2 into a tank from dry ice never heard of that.

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You just crush up dry ice, take the top off your Co2 cheap co2 tank with a wrench and put the dry ice in with a funnel and then put the top back on. You'd just have to dry it out after you used it.

Also, thanks for the tip.

ServingSize1oz said:

Lol I just have two gallon jugs with yeast and sugar that gets percolated to remove the alcohol. I'm not sure how much benefit I get but I know for a fact it makes at least 500cm/3 of Co2 each day simply because I have to add that much shit and more back into the equation every day. I use a cup of sugar and a tablespoon of yeast and add more every day, change it about every three days. Then again I use a sealed 40 square foot poly-film tent with only one passive intake, so that's the only reason I can get away with so little. Also, if i was going to use tanks I'd probably just refill them myself using dry ice. That shit is cheap as hell and makes enough co2 to fill those tanks many times over.

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tried that to much work

Listen to Mr Blu.

Jeeyah said:

Listen to Mr Blu.

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Thanks !!!!

the tanks are compressed gas...that's how it comes out...

ServingSize1oz said:

You just crush up dry ice, take the top off your Co2 cheap co2 tank with a wrench and put the dry ice in with a funnel and then put the top back on. You'd just have to dry it out after you used it.

Also, thanks for the tip.

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this is retarted and you know your messn around.cmon man.

daybreaker said:

the tanks are compressed gas...that's how it comes out...

this is retarted and you know your messn around.cmon man.

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Not at all. The Winn Dixie right across the street sells dry ice, and while filling your own C02 tanks is obviously pointless when you have the dry ice already in its raw form, I think it's pretty simple to just put a block of dry ice in a cooler with a hole poked in the top so it gets pushed out at high pressure. It'd cost around $1 a day and make a decent amount of Co2. Here's a video of an idiot doing it with wayyy too much Co2 and staying in the room while the oxygen gets displaced. This guy is a moron lol, but he's got the concept down, just no understanding of science.

harris hawk said:

tried that to much work

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Completely fair lol. I actually stopped doing it as well, I currently only have a 240cfm fan blowing the air out of my 40 square foot tent which has one intake. So no matter how much I produce it's all just getting sucked out. I'd need to have a block of dry ice or a tank going 24/7 to actually saturate to 1,500ppm. Oh well. Next grow when I have more circulating fans and a better tent .

ServingSize1oz said:

Not at all. The Winn Dixie right across the street sells dry ice, and while filling your own C02 tanks is obviously pointless when you have the dry ice already in its raw form, I think it's pretty simple to just put a block of dry ice in a cooler with a hole poked in the top so it gets pushed out at high pressure. It'd cost around $1 a day and make a decent amount of Co2. Here's a video of an idiot doing it with wayyy too much Co2 and staying in the room while the oxygen gets displaced. This guy is a moron lol, but he's got the concept down, just no understanding of science.

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ServingSize1oz said:

Completely fair lol. I actually stopped doing it as well, I currently only have a 240cfm fan blowing the air out of my 40 square foot tent which has one intake. So no matter how much I produce it's all just getting sucked out. I'd need to have a block of dry ice or a tank going 24/7 to actually saturate to 1,500ppm. Oh well. Next grow when I have more circulating fans and a better tent .

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Interesting might try - thanks leaning toward The Enhance - I don't know??????

harris hawk said:

Interesting might try - thanks leaning toward The Enhance - I don't know??????

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If you have the money to buy it a co2 system is worth it AND cheaper than any of the DIY shit I mentioned. If you've got a couple hundred to shell out just buy the Co2 system. I didn't when i started this grow so I'm working with what I've got. If you do it'll be cheaper in the long run.

Good stuff guys, I like this discussion.

ServingSize1oz said:

Not at all. The Winn Dixie right across the street sells dry ice, and while filling your own C02 tanks is obviously pointless when you have the dry ice already in its raw form, I think it's pretty simple to just put a block of dry ice in a cooler with a hole poked in the top so it gets pushed out at high pressure. It'd cost around $1 a day and make a decent amount of Co2. Here's a video of an idiot doing it with wayyy too much Co2 and staying in the room while the oxygen gets displaced. This guy is a moron lol, but he's got the concept down, just no understanding of science.

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So SS1 you live in the south east with the old Winn Dicks Me huh…… Nice…… I hear ya on the dry Ice,only thing is it will bring more humidity also as it evaporates and if your in the south E. you don't need anymore humidity lol. But I also just watched and purchased a TNB Natural Co2- 2Litre bottle supplement that disperses around 950ppm for about 3wks on You Tube, its different than the yeast trick or baking soda trick. Which idk if its quite enough but with a Mushroom Bag too? Im a very exp. user of Co2 from 2-20lb Tanks for years to a Burner for 1year and even the Compost bucket with the lil pump & hose. Got the best results from tanks, my burners where a hassle in the south battling heat and all even in a 10x12 room. That Compost bucket barely worked IMO but was noticeable. I got a mushroom bag with this 2L bottle and Im throwing them both in a tent with a 4'- 6Tube T5s for a small Personal heady grow.Then gonna drop the 430w in the tent after Veg air-cooled hood and hopefully with it staying around 85-92F I should see some decent results I think. But I was using a 400w hps in a non sealed closet and got amazing results.
There is a kit called Sonic Bloom look it up & you will shit yourself. It helps with a recorded CD of Birds singing early morning and this opens the Stomata of the undersides of the plants leaves. This is the lungs of the plant basically and when they open they allow more Co2 absorption than any other time of the day Naturally. So this Guy figured this out and when you use his specific CD is guaranteed but you could make your own recording I feel but it also comes with some Sonic Bloom fertilizer that I didn't care for. I used my old Biobizz mix and it blew me mind mate. Check it out

Interesting information - sounds like you have the experience - and you are right about the Stoma's; that;s why when one uses a foliage feed spray - you must spray the undersides of leaves not the tops. I was sold on the TNB product have used all other mentioned except co2 tanks - will check out the Sonic Bloom kit you mentioned Shasfarian - Thanks ! and also Thanks all whom have answered this post - cleared up much - I guess CO2 tanks/burners are the way to go but no for small grows.

harris hawk said:

Really don't know how to start CO2 "therapy" Cost is high? Know a 3by3 grow space is to small for a tank set up -example. What would you say to be the minumin grow space that tanks can be used properly ? Keeping it simple what would a person need to start with and still being not to costly? another words start-up cost?

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One co2 tank 100$ one titan control regulator 70$ refills on bottles 18$ from hydro store or 9$ if you look around.
In a three x three youd be able to use that tank for probably four months or more. But youll be able to hear the plants grow

Yup thats the good stuff, sorry i was typing fast but yes the Stoma are blocked and clogged very easily after a week or so of dust and particles sticking to the leaves from air circulation. Thats why it is very important to foliar wash the undersides of the leaves once a week or so. Its a noticeable difference this Sonic Bloom study that was made. It works with the recorded sounds of special birds found in the Amazon Rainforest alot better than just foliar washing, I think thats what gives the plants a wake up call so to say. Music helps alot also its been studied quite a bit, but I feel they didn't understand why it was stimulating the growth in their study though. It is a very interesting study. In this CD he sells its got dubbed Classical music into it so you have the birds chirping but classical music playing with it, so it doesn't drive you crazy I guess LOL. I didn't mind it was kinda nice IMO. I chill out and vibe to it while working in the garden it doesn't have to be real loud but loud enough to hear ok. They say heavy metal or fast punk is not good for this but more high frequency smooth sounds. I.E Classical, Jazz, chill house music maybe, or even the right kind of Techno I guess, Deffinately some good Marley or whatever tickles your ear drumbs good, but it should be on when the lights turn on to the time they go off. this alone will show difference in the vigor and happiness of your plants garanteed peoples.You can Take this to the Bank literally.