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209 Cali closet grower
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Good here with family. Just broke right now, so my net got shut off, with phone. But it's back and I'm here too. School just takes all my time, which I know, most know.
Will get my Diesel Ag, heavy equipment Hydraulic mech ag, Compact power certificates.Which should land me a nice paying Job with a dealer or good pay company. After I get going with my new job. I'll be going back to finish my general ed, for my 3 A.S degrees from J.C in Diesel Ag, Compact, Hydraulics/ heavy equipment.
heres my new grow. Dipsy, dog, QQ, livers. One of my livers when hemmy and buds are airy? Just chopped Dog, qq right now!! Liver is a long time strain to grow out-12, weeks or more?
209 Cali closet grower
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One on far left, budding is livers, and a very vinny strain too.
209 Cali closet grower
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one in back on the left with nice size buds are dog.
supchaka
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Heres where I am; what I think I know about weed. THC has to be heated to become psychoactive. Thats why to get high you either burn it, or eat it in something that has been heated (de-carbed)
So what I want to know, and have never seen much info about. I don't "think" thc and cbd's would need to be psychoactive to provide the same health benefits if ingested orally or topically. In theory you should be able to make a batch of solvent extracted oil without heat that when ingested will not get you high. This is what I'm looking to do. Im aiming to help my blood sugar level along with the myriad of other health benefits that cannabis can provide without getting high. The quantities I want to consume would be far too much for a mere mortal if it were psychoactive and I also want something I can take all day long. Then I also wonder, can this same non psychoactive oil possibly still provide anti-inflammatory and pain relieving qualities? I'd think maybe? People talk about juicing leaves, but theres little to no trichomes on them so if they are beneficial I feel its in a different way than consuming trichomes.
You're thinking why the fuck would you not want to get high?! Well, I don't all the time. I'm not a stoner and I'm truly looking to use it as medicine. Theres a time and place for it recreationally and my tolerance is so low that when I do partake its in minute quantities. I need to really bump up my intake to really gain the benefits from it. If I could consume a gram a day of oil and get the benefits without the high I'll be all over it. Since theres no research behind it all, all I can do is make some and see how it goes. Or if someone knows a site or has more information about these specifics feel free to share.
So what I want to know, and have never seen much info about. I don't "think" thc and cbd's would need to be psychoactive to provide the same health benefits if ingested orally or topically. In theory you should be able to make a batch of solvent extracted oil without heat that when ingested will not get you high. This is what I'm looking to do. Im aiming to help my blood sugar level along with the myriad of other health benefits that cannabis can provide without getting high. The quantities I want to consume would be far too much for a mere mortal if it were psychoactive and I also want something I can take all day long. Then I also wonder, can this same non psychoactive oil possibly still provide anti-inflammatory and pain relieving qualities? I'd think maybe? People talk about juicing leaves, but theres little to no trichomes on them so if they are beneficial I feel its in a different way than consuming trichomes.
You're thinking why the fuck would you not want to get high?! Well, I don't all the time. I'm not a stoner and I'm truly looking to use it as medicine. Theres a time and place for it recreationally and my tolerance is so low that when I do partake its in minute quantities. I need to really bump up my intake to really gain the benefits from it. If I could consume a gram a day of oil and get the benefits without the high I'll be all over it. Since theres no research behind it all, all I can do is make some and see how it goes. Or if someone knows a site or has more information about these specifics feel free to share.
mensabarbie
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One more try......
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bassman999
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I know and understand what you are saying, but I dont think your receptors can attach to the cannabinoids in their raw state, or at least not at high levels.
I am not certain about this, but think of broccoli.
If you swallow whole and raw it will go straight through, but chewed and/or blanched it becomes more bio-available.
Anyway this is my take on it, and I might be totally wrong?!?
HydroGp
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Just my 2 cents..
I do believe heating (decarbing) will enhance the potency but even ingested raw you will still get high. To get full effect you would need a oil to blend in that is more readily available to the body. Ive made a fair batch coconut oil canna/hash pills and its an incredible long high. Its a fat oil so the body is uptaking it slower. Also made some with peanutbutter oil and it is very thin and is an instant kick that fades pretty fast.
Compare coconut oil with a joint, long and building, and peanut butter with a bong hit, hits hard but not long lasting.
To get "rid of the psychoactive properties i think you would have to isolate the thc like, with a vaporizer. Long dull act but the only thing ive read about without having a lab. Hey maybe Dr.81 can make some
So i finished my RSO. Not much but its made from dog so i think its crazy potent and will put her to sleep the first time
I had a tiny taste and it is very strong tasting. Cant wait to see what happens. Might be too strong but hope theres some good so i can maybe find a strain with less thc next time. Although if she's high she might be easier to be around View attachment 3007234
HydroGp
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Taken from a badkitty article! simple-method-isolating-extracting-individual-cannabinoids-badkittysmiles Might be useful chaka but a long process.
Cannabinoid Flashpoints:
tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Flash Point: 137.6 °C (279.68 °F)
delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-8-THC)
Flash Point: 144.5 °C (292.10 °F)
delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Flash Point: 149.3 °C (300.74 °F)
cannabichromene (CBC)
Flash Point: 174.2 °C (345.56 °F)
cannabidiol (CBD)
Flash Point: 206.3 °C (403.34 °F)
cannabigerol (CBG)
Flash Point: 207.2 °C (404.96 °F)
cannabinol (CBN)
Flash Point: 212.7 °C (414.86 °F)
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The below, I saved and set aside from an old article (not sure where it's linked or located now
) by Dr. Hornby, who had at the time performed similar lab-testing on, rather than on the extract, instead on the remains of pre-vaped bud:
Volcano Setting THC remaining mg/g CBN remaining mg/g CBD remaining mg/g
" Volc.... THC..CBN..CBD
6.0 - 260 / 0.05 / 0.6
7.5 - 245 / 0.05 / 0.6
9.0 - 75 / 0.05 / 0.15
Knowing this...
Purging:
In order to collect for instance CBD alone (keeping in mind with the others, you can either choose to 1) collect them individually, 2) combine, or 3) discard the remaining cannabinoids), you would begin in something like a Volcano, or other digital (and temp-tested), bagged vaporizer.
Again, using CBD isolation as an example, you would begin NOT at its flashpoint, but instead just beyond 175 C or 346 F, or just above the flashpoint for CBC, while still remaining safely below that of the CBD you are trying to collect.
We would usually 'purge' pre-CBD content at roughly 390 - 400 F...
When referencing Dr. Hornby's results, this coincides with his findings.
In which case, for those of you with classic Volcano dials, that's hovering around settings 7 - 7.5 on your dial.
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The lower the temp it's exposed to beforehand, the less degradation will occur to the cannabinoid you're attempting to extract, so shooting for the 'middle' between the two flash points, above the last one you're purging and the one you intend to collect can be good because it's cooler, but in terms of isolation and purity, your potential for more accurate results, improves, the more closely you purge to the flashpoint of cannabinoid you're collecting.
Meaning in the case of CBD, first approaching 206.3 very, very closely but without going over during the purge of the earliest cannabinoids, and then, only just barely going over its flashpoint later on, during collection.
But the less that you can trust the reliability of your temps, or the less accurate your vape is, then better off you are staying near the middle.
---
Isolation:
Once you've satisfactorily purged off the lower-temp cannabinoids, again in the case of CBD, you would attach a NEW collection bag and set your temperature for 206.5 C or 404 F.
You can go very slightly higher, if you like, and if you do not mind the inclusion of CBG.
Once the bag is full, allow the vapor to condense, and repeat.
The isolation bag can be re-used over and over, until it becomes too sticky and difficult to use. Just always remember to pause and allow your vapor to condense, before pressing the air out and repeating the process
Washing, Cleaning and Collection:
When you've finished extracting the cannabinoid in question, from your last portion, take your bag or bags, and one by one, fill them with high proof ethyl alcohol.. and yes, you may use other alcohols or solvents, but in the case of non-food grade ingredients, purging carefully and completely is all the more crucial.
Tip to Save Solvent - If you're short on good alcohol, you can work one bag at a time, pouring the alcohol from the first bag (once the isolated glandular material has been stripped) to the next, and repeating until all bags have been washed out.
** Be careful with this alcohol, don't spill a drop!... it contains the fruits of your labor; it's what you've spent all this time and effort on! **
(Cleaning: If you've extracted a particularly high-temp cannabinoid, and some minor combustion of the inert plant matter has occurred, you may find your extract is a bit dirty.
These extracts can be cleaned by soaking the cannabinoid-solvent/solution with activated carbon overnight, then siphoning off the solvent from the settled carbon, and finally filtering the resulting, clearer liquid through fine mesh, the following day. The carbon can be bought at health food shops, and fresh alcohol can be poured through it once it's been used, to wash out and claim any remaining cannabinoid residue. )
Once you've got your alcohol, you can finish up by an open window, with a fan.
If you don't want floating debris to land in your concentrate, just wrap and secure it in screen, or paper towels (be careful not to drip the screen or towels in your alcohol as it dries, or you'll need to double your efforts and your alcohol budget washing it back out!)
Tip - If alcohol tincture is suitable for you, and if you used safe grain/ethyl/drinking alcohol, then instead of evaporating it off you can skip that step, and simply allow it to rest in a sealed bottle for several weeks, until the concentrate finishes slowly blending and bonding at a microscopic level (similar to dragon) and becomes more bioavailable.
Tip - If you will be eating ALL your concentrate, and do not plan to smoke/vape any of it, then the extraction from the bags can be performed entirely with hot coconut oil, saving your funds on the cost of alcohol/solvent.
Vaping, or Eating:
And now you can finish processing, as described in the linked concentrate tutorial!
- If you want it for vaping, just allow it to finish evaporating fully before scraping and collecting.
- If you want it for edibles, just add a little coconut oil, just before it loses the last of its alcohol content, and begin processing in the oven at 180 f - 200 f, for no longer than 80 - 90 total minutes (less for the lower end heat-wise, longer for the higher end).
How much oil to use:
As a guide for the amount of oil to use, you should be using a minimum of -.5 - 1Tbsp per oz of processed flowers... less oil per ounce for weaker material, leaf, trim, etc., and more for frosty med-grade flowers.
On processing in oil....
*** Keep in mind, if you want to ABSORB and benefit your cannabinoid/potency***:
This is adequate time for a bioavailable solution to occur; simply dissolving in oil well enough 'for the naked eye' is not the same, and that does not ensure the creation of solution your body can readily absorb.
You do not need to be concerned with decarboxylation; it occurred during extraction.
When processing in oil, a freeze between two separate periods of heating 'can help', but it is not necessary for the same reasons it's recommended during an extraction, in which case freezing is used instead to ensure the contraction and expansion of glandular material, it causes it to become brittle and easily manipulated, and it encourages it to exit trichome husks. In this case, you would be freezing only to subtly aid in the formation of the solution as it thaws and re-heats.
________________________________________
OK then!
I've explained some of the 'how and why', in hopefully short and easy to understand terms, but here are the steps summarized... just fill in the temps for the specific cannabinoids you're purging, and isolating, and away you go!
Steps in short:
Part 1- Purge:
1) Grind your material well
2) Set aside purge bag/s (or don't, if other cannabinoids are irrelevant to you)
3) Vape within required temp/range for purging, below the flashpoint of the cannabinoid to be isolated
4) Remove and Repeat
Part 2 - Isolate:
1) Set aside fresh collection bag/s
2) Refill and re-vape material at required isolation temps, heating above the flashpoint of the cannabinoid to be isolated
3) Pause, and allow vapor to condense
3) Repeat until completed, switching bags only as they become 'full'/too-sticky
Both the purging, and the isolation steps, should each take between at least 3 - 8 bags (varying on resin/glandular content) to complete, per portion, at the required temperatures.
Part 3 - Wash & Collect:
1) Fill isolation bag/s with high proof alcohol; hot coconut oil may be used right away, if this is to be eaten, only.
2) Soak and manually manipulate until stripped 'clean'
2a) Optional if using alcohol* - clarify/filter away potential 'near-combusted' product contamination, if desired, using activated carbon.
3) Pour into collection dish
4) Evaporate in front of a window with a fan
5) And continue processing for edibles or for clean vaping material as described here: Big dump goggle the rest
Cannabinoid Flashpoints:
tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Flash Point: 137.6 °C (279.68 °F)
delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-8-THC)
Flash Point: 144.5 °C (292.10 °F)
delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Flash Point: 149.3 °C (300.74 °F)
cannabichromene (CBC)
Flash Point: 174.2 °C (345.56 °F)
cannabidiol (CBD)
Flash Point: 206.3 °C (403.34 °F)
cannabigerol (CBG)
Flash Point: 207.2 °C (404.96 °F)
cannabinol (CBN)
Flash Point: 212.7 °C (414.86 °F)
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The below, I saved and set aside from an old article (not sure where it's linked or located now
Volcano Setting THC remaining mg/g CBN remaining mg/g CBD remaining mg/g
" Volc.... THC..CBN..CBD
6.0 - 260 / 0.05 / 0.6
7.5 - 245 / 0.05 / 0.6
9.0 - 75 / 0.05 / 0.15
Knowing this...
Purging:
In order to collect for instance CBD alone (keeping in mind with the others, you can either choose to 1) collect them individually, 2) combine, or 3) discard the remaining cannabinoids), you would begin in something like a Volcano, or other digital (and temp-tested), bagged vaporizer.
Again, using CBD isolation as an example, you would begin NOT at its flashpoint, but instead just beyond 175 C or 346 F, or just above the flashpoint for CBC, while still remaining safely below that of the CBD you are trying to collect.
We would usually 'purge' pre-CBD content at roughly 390 - 400 F...
When referencing Dr. Hornby's results, this coincides with his findings.
In which case, for those of you with classic Volcano dials, that's hovering around settings 7 - 7.5 on your dial.
---
The lower the temp it's exposed to beforehand, the less degradation will occur to the cannabinoid you're attempting to extract, so shooting for the 'middle' between the two flash points, above the last one you're purging and the one you intend to collect can be good because it's cooler, but in terms of isolation and purity, your potential for more accurate results, improves, the more closely you purge to the flashpoint of cannabinoid you're collecting.
Meaning in the case of CBD, first approaching 206.3 very, very closely but without going over during the purge of the earliest cannabinoids, and then, only just barely going over its flashpoint later on, during collection.
But the less that you can trust the reliability of your temps, or the less accurate your vape is, then better off you are staying near the middle.
---
Isolation:
Once you've satisfactorily purged off the lower-temp cannabinoids, again in the case of CBD, you would attach a NEW collection bag and set your temperature for 206.5 C or 404 F.
You can go very slightly higher, if you like, and if you do not mind the inclusion of CBG.
Once the bag is full, allow the vapor to condense, and repeat.
The isolation bag can be re-used over and over, until it becomes too sticky and difficult to use. Just always remember to pause and allow your vapor to condense, before pressing the air out and repeating the process
Washing, Cleaning and Collection:
When you've finished extracting the cannabinoid in question, from your last portion, take your bag or bags, and one by one, fill them with high proof ethyl alcohol.. and yes, you may use other alcohols or solvents, but in the case of non-food grade ingredients, purging carefully and completely is all the more crucial.
Tip to Save Solvent - If you're short on good alcohol, you can work one bag at a time, pouring the alcohol from the first bag (once the isolated glandular material has been stripped) to the next, and repeating until all bags have been washed out.
** Be careful with this alcohol, don't spill a drop!... it contains the fruits of your labor; it's what you've spent all this time and effort on! **
(Cleaning: If you've extracted a particularly high-temp cannabinoid, and some minor combustion of the inert plant matter has occurred, you may find your extract is a bit dirty.
These extracts can be cleaned by soaking the cannabinoid-solvent/solution with activated carbon overnight, then siphoning off the solvent from the settled carbon, and finally filtering the resulting, clearer liquid through fine mesh, the following day. The carbon can be bought at health food shops, and fresh alcohol can be poured through it once it's been used, to wash out and claim any remaining cannabinoid residue. )
Once you've got your alcohol, you can finish up by an open window, with a fan.
If you don't want floating debris to land in your concentrate, just wrap and secure it in screen, or paper towels (be careful not to drip the screen or towels in your alcohol as it dries, or you'll need to double your efforts and your alcohol budget washing it back out!)
Tip - If alcohol tincture is suitable for you, and if you used safe grain/ethyl/drinking alcohol, then instead of evaporating it off you can skip that step, and simply allow it to rest in a sealed bottle for several weeks, until the concentrate finishes slowly blending and bonding at a microscopic level (similar to dragon) and becomes more bioavailable.
Tip - If you will be eating ALL your concentrate, and do not plan to smoke/vape any of it, then the extraction from the bags can be performed entirely with hot coconut oil, saving your funds on the cost of alcohol/solvent.
Vaping, or Eating:
And now you can finish processing, as described in the linked concentrate tutorial!
- If you want it for vaping, just allow it to finish evaporating fully before scraping and collecting.
- If you want it for edibles, just add a little coconut oil, just before it loses the last of its alcohol content, and begin processing in the oven at 180 f - 200 f, for no longer than 80 - 90 total minutes (less for the lower end heat-wise, longer for the higher end).
How much oil to use:
As a guide for the amount of oil to use, you should be using a minimum of -.5 - 1Tbsp per oz of processed flowers... less oil per ounce for weaker material, leaf, trim, etc., and more for frosty med-grade flowers.
On processing in oil....
*** Keep in mind, if you want to ABSORB and benefit your cannabinoid/potency***:
This is adequate time for a bioavailable solution to occur; simply dissolving in oil well enough 'for the naked eye' is not the same, and that does not ensure the creation of solution your body can readily absorb.
You do not need to be concerned with decarboxylation; it occurred during extraction.
When processing in oil, a freeze between two separate periods of heating 'can help', but it is not necessary for the same reasons it's recommended during an extraction, in which case freezing is used instead to ensure the contraction and expansion of glandular material, it causes it to become brittle and easily manipulated, and it encourages it to exit trichome husks. In this case, you would be freezing only to subtly aid in the formation of the solution as it thaws and re-heats.
________________________________________
OK then!
I've explained some of the 'how and why', in hopefully short and easy to understand terms, but here are the steps summarized... just fill in the temps for the specific cannabinoids you're purging, and isolating, and away you go!
Steps in short:
Part 1- Purge:
1) Grind your material well
2) Set aside purge bag/s (or don't, if other cannabinoids are irrelevant to you)
3) Vape within required temp/range for purging, below the flashpoint of the cannabinoid to be isolated
4) Remove and Repeat
Part 2 - Isolate:
1) Set aside fresh collection bag/s
2) Refill and re-vape material at required isolation temps, heating above the flashpoint of the cannabinoid to be isolated
3) Pause, and allow vapor to condense
3) Repeat until completed, switching bags only as they become 'full'/too-sticky
Both the purging, and the isolation steps, should each take between at least 3 - 8 bags (varying on resin/glandular content) to complete, per portion, at the required temperatures.
Part 3 - Wash & Collect:
1) Fill isolation bag/s with high proof alcohol; hot coconut oil may be used right away, if this is to be eaten, only.
2) Soak and manually manipulate until stripped 'clean'
2a) Optional if using alcohol* - clarify/filter away potential 'near-combusted' product contamination, if desired, using activated carbon.
3) Pour into collection dish
4) Evaporate in front of a window with a fan
5) And continue processing for edibles or for clean vaping material as described here: Big dump goggle the rest
whodatnation
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fuck fuck fuck fuck!!!!
I just typed up a long informative reply,,, and you guessed it POOF!
Anyway, some awesome info coming out on consuming raw cannabis~~~
Sorry I wont take the time to redo my post but these vids will be very informative if you take the time to watch them.
[video=youtube;1SGNR4cb7jc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SGNR4cb7jc[/video]
I just typed up a long informative reply,,, and you guessed it POOF!
Anyway, some awesome info coming out on consuming raw cannabis~~~
Sorry I wont take the time to redo my post but these vids will be very informative if you take the time to watch them.
[video=youtube;1SGNR4cb7jc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SGNR4cb7jc[/video]
whodatnation
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[video=youtube;eRLVyGfGcZs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRLVyGfGcZs[/video]
whodatnation
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[video=youtube;kMAug_V5AX0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMAug_V5AX0[/video]
whodatnation
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also,,, Im interested to see what comes of this. I should be careful though, riu currently has me close to possibly doing some shit that'll get me banned.
https://www.rollitup.org/support/803815-certain-thread-wont-load.html#post10248864
https://www.rollitup.org/support/803815-certain-thread-wont-load.html#post10248864
curious old fart
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LockedOutOfHeaven
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That looks greeeeaaaaaaat!