Clone Straight to Flower Photo Period

recvryjst42day

recvryjst42day

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When you guys say straight into flower is that straight from the cut or after it has successfully rooted....just thought about that feel stupid that I didnt ask before, just assumed straight from the cut.
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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i mean all it takes is having a mother or two and taking large clones, possibly 6-8" clones if not bigger
 
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Puffin Afatty

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some strains do well with little or no veg time...White Widow is 1, and the Snow White I have now is such a stretcher that I have to do a vertical scrog to grow it indoors at all...thru the whole flowering period I must tie her back...
 
ozone

ozone

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Vegging for at least one week is advisable even if your doing a SOG. I've got a couple of big bud clones that are only about 20cm tall and have vegged for about 10 days that I have placed under 12/12. Will be interesting.
 
iblazethatkush

iblazethatkush

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babygro said:
Let's clear up a few 'potential' misunderstandings here.

Putting clones into flower as soon as they've rooted is standard practice for people who have access to clones - the majority do not - which is why this practice might be new to you and not widely practiced. You can ONLY do this with clones - not plants from seed - most people grow from seed and not many have the resources to keep 'mother' plants where clones come from.

Why can you do this with clones and not from seed? You can do it from seed, but you won't get as good results from seed as you do from clones, principle reason being, clones are a lot more 'hardy' than new seed seedlings and most importantly of all, clones take on the 'genetic' age of the mother plant they're taken from, seed plants don't.

Why is the age of the mother plant important?

Plants should be flowered when they reach sexual maturity, flowering seed plants before 6-8 weeks vegetative growth have passed means you're flowering them before they've reached sexual maturity. When you flower a clone, as I said, it takes on the age of the mother plant. So if the mother plant is 8 weeks old - so is the clone. So the clone is ALREADY at sexual maturity despite only being a couple of inches tall and READY To be put into flowering regardless of it's size.

The most important reason of all is because the older a plant is, the more Cannabinoids it produces. A 12 week old plant will produce more Cannabinoids than an 8 week old plant, and an 8 week old clone will produce more Cannabinoids than a plant grown and flowered from seed.

So, the bottom line is this - clones can be treated as sexually mature plants, and can be flowered almost as soon as the clones have rooted - with no loss of potency that you would get if you tried to flower a seed plant before it was sexually mature.
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Ok I understand that if I flower my seed plants early I lose potency. But what about seeds from said seed plant. Will they be less potent b/c the mother was? Or will they have the same potential for thc production as a seed from a properly vegged mom?
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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iblazethatkush said:
Ok I understand that if I flower my seed plants early I lose potency. But what about seeds from said seed plant. Will they be less potent b/c the mother was? Or will they have the same potential for thc production as a seed from a properly vegged mom?
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Not sure on the loss of potency in the first place... even if placed into flower early the plant will still need to mature to a point where it pre-flowers before it can adequately build the hormone to induce flowering. Also flowering is genetic, and trich's don't really start appearing until the second week of actual flower (not including the forced part in the time scale). Flowering is genetic, so once the plant starts flowering it should age the same no matter what.


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I think I got it! The plants produce trich's to concentrate the light from the sun... some get cannabinised and start to age while the plant continues to form new unpotent trich's. The plant does this at night in preparation for the morning sun...
 
ozone

ozone

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Yeah I agree. I dont buy into the age = high potency thing. Its all about the variety and how long they have been flowering. I also skeptical that plants potency increases the longer it is in flowering. Sure size and fullness of the buds will increase but I'm not sure the potency increases much past 5 or 6 weeks.
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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I think what happens after the 5/6 week stage is that the bud gets denser with trich's which in turn age and gain cannabinoids when the light is initiated. As the sun drops, or the light goes down the plant responds by producing lots of trich's that are merely for harnessing the luminosity of the sun and do not contain cannabinoids until they have been sufficiently aged by light, hence the need to keep creating more and more trich's.

So as the trich's increase in number, this is what leads to more potent bud, there are more potent trich's per space of bud. The correct combination of CONSISTENT light and dark. The question is... do these plants only produce unpotent trich's for a certain amount of dark time? Is there a sufficient amount of dark period we can give so that we may thouroughly achieve potent trich's with the correct levels of light?
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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This might explain why cannabis still flowers in moonlight.

Cannabis is not responding to the dark, but merely low levels of light.
 
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newbutpersistent

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Yes, I agree with skunk on the age-flowering-potency question. I put some seeds straight into my 12/12 as soon as they germ'd. No veg time at all. However they did not start flowering right away. I believe that the straight away 12/12 pushed they plants to grow faster, because they have genetic sensors telling them that the viable growing season is coming to a close, forcing they're growth to accelerate, however it wasn't until approx. 2-3 weeks that they showed sign of sex.
There was a thread on here a while ago arguing whether or not to start counting flowering period from switch to 12/12 photo period, or from the first signs of flower.
I would say the plants may not bud to their full potential (in terms of actual bud mass) if they are not allowed enough veg time to pre-flower, however I do not belive that the potency is affected.
Of course, none of us will really know until some tests are done with comparisons of cannabinoid levels, however that is probably not going to happen for a while. Unless some one on here has equipment to test that.
My 2 oldest plants just passed the three week mark and seem to be starting to fatten up, so i think end of week 5 I'll start sampling, I'll let y'all know how it is ;).

There are 2 pics of the older plants, and a pic of 2 of my new plants. They seem to be pretty happy and healthy, They've also changed quite a bit as these pics are probably a week old.
 

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skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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Isn't cannabis amazing... even if a seed germs right at the end of the season, so long as it has sufficient light levels, it is still capable of maturing and developing seed. Obviously will be nowhere near as big, or yielding as a plant that had a decent photoperiod, but capable all the same... and just as potent.

This makes sense... as during the flowering months, there are low levels of sunlight. trich's are produced to MAGNIFY this dwindling light. Which explains the massive growth rates of the actual plants during flower.

As the sunlight reacts with the trich's during the day they are slowly cannabinised and put to other uses in the protection and pollenation of the plant. Cannabinoids do this by deterring and encouraging certain types of animal life.

As these trich's are degraded and not very good at picking up the light, the plant must make more and more during the night to prepare for the photoperiod. It seems, if this is true, thateven harvesting in the morning is not a very good idea... and we should in fact, rather harvest at the end of the day.
 
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Honest Bruce

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Can i continually clone a plant? I mean can i take cuttings of a plant in veg cycle and then put those cuttings into an airo cloner in veg cycle while i flower the original plant. And then weeks later before im ready to put these clones into flower cycle clone them again and put the new clones into veg while i flower the others. Will this work or will the clones degenerate in quality?
 
ozone

ozone

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There is a thing called 'genetic drift' which means the clones start to lose some of their genetic code if you don't stick to a constant mother.

I have done as you said without any major loss of genetic characteristics. But I did lose a strain by not paying attention to which plant I was cloning:wall:
 
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